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Epcot Overhaul (General Discussion)

Discussion in 'Epcot' started by Brian G., Jul 15, 2017.

  1. WebHead1138

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    A lot of people are always complaining about IPs in Epcot. But here’s the thing. Does it really matter in the end of the day? I think what’s most important are the quality of the attractions. People seem to think that having an attraction without an IP automatically makes it a good ride. There’s been so many horrible attractions in Disney(and various other parks)without an IP. Would it be nice if there was some variety? Sure. But to constantly bash an attraction solely for an IP attached isn’t fair. Guardians at Cali is a great example of this. Moana is a great example of lazy IP attachment to Epcot. But if it’s done right what’s the problem? That’s just my take on the whole “IPCOT” argument.
     
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    Here's how I rank my excitement for the various Epcot projects:

    1. Ratatouille
    2. Cherry Tree Lane (provided there’s actually something worthwhile to do there)
    3. Canada: Far and Wide
    4. Wondrous China
    5. Awesome Planet
    6. Epcot Forever
    7. New Landscaping and Features in World Celebration and World Nature (including Journey of Water and the Festival Center)
    8. Spaceship Earth Update (fingers crossed they do it well, but not banking on that)
    9. Space 220
    10. Guardians of the Galaxy: Cosmic Rewind
    11. HarmonioUS

    I mean, "if it's done right" is exactly correct. There are ways to use IP in Epcot that could work very well. Disney just needs to put in the effort. They didn't on Frozen, and they don't appear to be on Guardians. On the other hand, Ratatouille and Mary Poppins feel like quite solid fits for where they're being placed.
     
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    My EPCOT excitement list:

    1) Guardians
    2) Rat










    3) Everything else, I guess
     
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    :_: I really wanted to see Coco replace grand fiesta.
     
  5. Nick

    Nick Staff Member Moderator

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    International Gateway will be the next entrance to have it's new entrance/security in place. I'd expect they want this done by the time the Skyliner opens.


    Widened walkway open:


    Progress on New Restrooms:


    Entrance work:


     
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    This makes me sad. It always brought me much joy to stop and watch.

     
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    For me, that plaza was way too hot to enjoy the fountain. Looking forward to the new water features and trees (!!) coming with NewEpcot.
     
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    I'm going to miss the music more than anything else. In that entire spine area, really. I expect whatever the new loop ends up being will be considerably more generic.
     
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    I expect them to go full Disney - the inspirational music will be done with. Don't forget you're going to be able to turn right - directly into a Moana area almost as soon as you pass Spaceship Earth.
     
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    It really upsets me that they’re getting rid of Future World.
     
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    MiceChat is reporting that increased costs associated with tariffs on Chinese Steel has put a kink in the plans for Disney's new Epcot projects.
     
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    Oh no... Festival Center demoted from 3 stories to just 1 story, but still up high so they can still sell dessert parties.
     
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    I couldn't disagree more. Is Epcot, as it sits, outdated and stale? Yes. But is absolutely dumbing down the place the only option? No.

    Does the National Air and Space Museum need to continually update their offerings? Yes. Does that mean they should just turn the place over to Cartoon Network? :thud:
     
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    Great way to put it.
     
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    It would be if Epcot was a museum. I get that he was just doing a comparison, but my point is Epcot is updating to what guests want just as the National Air and Space Museum does. Both are updating for their target audience. Any of you guys can not like that and have your own opinion, but for me, I don't mind a subtle Moana *fountain*. It's not the end of the world. Talk to me once they've taken out Figment and replaced it with some IP as i'll have a pretty serious problem if that happens since it can and should be updated and Figment is a beloved character as is.

    The 80's are gone, despite what HHN tells you. Epcot has been dead for nearly 30 years and y'all still don't want to see it change.

    You hate to see it.
     
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    EPCOT didn't die. It was murdered through mismanagement
     
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    You are right. EPCOT Center was my favourit theme park in the world in 1985. I loved it more than Magic Kingdom.
    But it's old and tired for a very long time. Every update has been a downgrade thought up by an old guy who tries to be hip (at least that is how it feels).
    I don't want EPCOT Center back, as a theme it doesn't work as Disney has proven.
    What I am bothered by is that they don't leave Epcot behind and do something completely different. Epcot is better of if they would make a super hero land (and yes Figment is a super hero and uses his imagination to fool the newly invented villain in his new ride), a villains land (with a castle) a Star Wars land (with movie locations) and a Pixar land. It would be pure fantasy and there is no need to cram something "educational" in there because people don't care for that on their vacation. We now have access to the latest newest invention via YouTube. Even the real world fairs don't do great because it has no use anymore.
    To hold on, half ass, to the educational crap makes the future park bad.

    I would make World showcase a separate (cheap) ticked park with added rides that downplay the whole World Showcase part but fill it with ip rides. A train could connect that park with the parking lot.
     
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