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Universal Resort Expansion?

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous Universal' started by ReelJustice, Jul 10, 2012.

  1. fryoj

    fryoj Premium Member

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    Probably the same point of all the hotels around the OCCC. Theres a lot of business to be had in that area. Add in the Citiwalk and dedicated OCCC shuttles and you give conventioneers even more reason to stay there. Uni level Hotels with a Citiwalk attached would be profitable at that location even without a park ever getting built.

    To summarize, Andy really knows his $--+
     
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    Eventually they will need to slow down on the amount of on-site rooms. I think the most they can go to is 25,000 total between all their property. Due to their proximity to OCCC though, they may be able to go slightly beyond that.
     
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    I'd say that 25,000 is the absolute upper limit for the planning (and probably slightly higher than where Universal will end up).

    With the current UOR heading for 9,000 rooms; it's feasible to think that the south resort will be able to handle somewhere north of that number due to the OCCC proximity.

    But how much more?

    I think 11,000 rooms is the minimum for a 2 dry park south resort near OCCC, with the upper limit somewhere around 15,000.

    That gets you somewhere around 20,000 to 24,000 hotel rooms which is probably perfect for 4 dry parks that are seeing 10+ million visitors each. You can keep 90% capacity and healthy, profitable pricing.

    Only if attendance is measurably higher (i.e. each park is seeing 12+ million attendance) should they consider going to 25,000+ rooms.

    At that point, it's worth revisiting this consideration and buying up cheaper <$100 room rate hotels (the parcels in green on Universal Blvd. in image below) that are getting squeezed and renovating them into Loews-branded hotels:

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  5. s8film40

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    I agree there's a limit and they'll have to slow down at some point. Do you really expect that slow down sooner rather than later though? I guess with Universal pretty much staying in a state of continuous construction it's hard to imagine them not opening anything new for a period of multiple years.
     
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    The Universal Blvd. parcel north of the proposed Mandarin Dr extension has a 50ft height limit, which will make it hard to build much there. That could get changed, but such a change would definitely be opposed by I-drive 360 and possibly Lockheed as well. That land also has a canal running through the middle of it that would have to be realigned or worked around.

    I have a hard time seeing that being the site of one of the earlier hotels.
     
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    Could they be convention hotels as well to service the OCCC?
     
  8. s8film40

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    Universal is really going to have an edge on conventions. If they can offer up packages to take advantage of the OCCC with the benefit of in-park events. No one else can do that.
     
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    That has to be a MAJOR concern to Disney. Very very close proximity to, will be a huge advantage for Universal.
     
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    I think that was the thought process
     
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    I'm sure Disney knows Universal will take advantage of it, but there's nothing they can do. Disney is also expanding and giving multiple of their current convention hotels updated looks and better features. Disney will do what they can. Will it change where people do business in Orlando? Maybe. But the OCCC really is only for the mega conventions. It's not going to hurt them too much for the smaller ones that come around and there are a growing number of those.
     
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    It sells itself. They will have probably some of the best hotels in the area and while mum or dad go to their convention, the rest of the family can enjoy a day at the parks and then meet up later in CityWalk for some dinner. It will also attract more companies to have conventions there as they can sell the experience.
     
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    Yeah, the only reason I was suggesting that is that it sounds as if they already know how they want to build on those 2 parcels based on the fact that they were already listing some sort of transportation option for them (possibly over that pond nearby or via the proposed Mandarin extension) to connect them to the main resort area when they filed the plans for a new theme zone district in that area for those 2 parcels + the main bulk of land.
     
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    Just to add a few of Disney/Universal Insider Marni's quotes from today on Magic....On the 10/1/22 date Disneyhead threw out for discussion , "It's very possible"..........On the proposed new dry park; "Nothing I can talk about yet. But it sounds wonderful"..."I've known about it for quite a while so you can bet they've had it ready to go for a long time. I wouldn't say I've seen the final design but what I do know does excite me". :)
     
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    Not to mention Mega Con weekend will cause Park 3 to be absolutely slammed... especially if there's LOTR/Nintendo/etc.
     
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    I’m hoping for a Nintendo run convention like the old Space World.
     
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    If Universal opened a third park that had mostly dry attractions in Orlando in 2023, it would be changing from having 2 such parks in Orlando to 3 parks like that in Orlando in the same year in which Universal Orlando celebrates 33 years of running its first park in Orlando.

    If Universal opened a new park that had mostly dry attractions in Orlando or China in 2024, Universal could be changing from having 5 such parks throughout the world to having 6 such parks through out the world in the same year in which 60 years will have passed since Universal began running the Universal Hollywood park.

    If Universal opened a new park that had mostly dry attractions in Orlando or China in 2021, Universal could be changing from having 5 such parks throughout the world to having 6 such parks through out the world in the same year in which 106 years will have passed since Universal City along Lankershim Boulevard in California was created.
     
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