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it also depends on how the creative team does the house, how much they include, how many easter eggs and nods, because the creative team could also do a good but generic house that doesn't require too much homework. the house could have the WWE characters but also be "semi original" with everything else.
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I think you missed the point of my post. My point was that none of those need to matter. Even if the house is an in-depth history of WWE horror with 30 easter eggs a scene, the research isn’t required.
 
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Fingers crossed Universal Monsters returns again just so that John Cena can cameo in two houses
 
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Orlando should do an original house blatantly inspired by its former neighbor...

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While I'm sure they'll increase pricing, just like any year, adding two houses (if it ends up true) is a good sign that Universal isn't interested in limiting attendance through price actions just yet. Unlike Disney, which has relied on price increases to curb demand for events that don't change year to year, adding 2 houses is a far better solution to controlling crowds instead of pricing people out entirely. I'm just hoping they can solve the staffing issue.
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if they couldnt really fix the staffing issues with just 10 houses, I really wonder how they manage for 12.
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I think you missed the point of my post. My point was that none of those need to matter. Even if the house is an in-depth history of WWE horror with 30 easter eggs a scene, the research isn’t required.
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yeah I understand, but since WWE is not like a movie that has like specific scenes or stuff then what I was thinking is that creative could do something semi original with the concept.
 
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If we get Wyatt Sicks, imagine this playing as you're stepping inside:

 
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if they couldnt really fix the staffing issues with just 10 houses, I really wonder how they manage for 12.
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It probably goes part of the way as to why rumour time is rife already, planning for everything not just the houses needs to start that bit earlier with the increase.
 
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sounds like mushroomhead. thanks. I like this a lot

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I am going to throw out an idea on the matter of a specific IP. An IP that has been rumored for the event, but one that I think might not end up happening for Orlando due to elements that'd...I genuinely don't like.

Been musing and chewing on the idea--but what if Orlando opts out of The Last of Us: Part 2, not out of concern of backlash for the material, but...

out of concern of the state government of Florida. This is going to be a unique situation and if the moderators do not wish to have me continue it, I fully understand; but I think there is a shot that The Last of Us: Part 2 is a much more dangerous IP to have at Halloween Horror Nights Orlando legally, because of the political landscape of how they view and wish to treat those in the LGBTQ+ community.

How they wish to strip their rights, and dehumanize those involved. We know they've viewed and looked towards actions done in the tourism sector and have attempted to prevent others (such as Disney) in the promotion of that. And in the case of The Last of Us, you have 3 major characters throughout the story that have blatent and complete ties towards that of the LGBTQ+ community, in a way that might be too much of a risk for Orlando to do so.

But in so doing, that in turn curates a paradox. The Last of Us: Part 1 attempted through it's story as a house to have Joel and Ellie present throughout the house, but what happens when 3/4's of your main cast is realistically unable to be represented as a result of where you are having the event at?

This is a late night musing, and I apologize for the blunt hit of a golf club that is reality; but I think there might be a real shot that TLOU2 might be forced to sit out of UOR until things get better for those in the landscape of Florida's LGBTQ+ scene.

I am going to be upfront that I hope this is an element of unfounded paranoia and fear, but a part of me thinks TLOU1 worked in context of the vaccum, because of how they treated Ellie and Joel more simplistically. TLOU2 would be a much larger hill to climb that might be more problematic for Orlando.
 
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I am going to throw out an idea on the matter of a specific IP. An IP that has been rumored for the event, but one that I think might not end up happening for Orlando due to elements that'd...I genuinely don't like.

Been musing and chewing on the idea--but what if Orlando opts out of The Last of Us: Part 2, not out of concern of backlash for the material, but...

out of concern of the state government of Florida. This is going to be a unique situation and if the moderators do not wish to have me continue it, I fully understand; but I think there is a shot that The Last of Us: Part 2 is a much more dangerous IP to have at Halloween Horror Nights Orlando legally, because of the political landscape of how they view and wish to treat those in the LGBTQ+ community.

How they wish to strip their rights, and dehumanize those involved. We know they've viewed and looked towards actions done in the tourism sector and have attempted to prevent others (such as Disney) in the promotion of that. And in the case of The Last of Us, you have 3 major characters throughout the story that have blatent and complete ties towards that of the LGBTQ+ community, in a way that might be too much of a risk for Orlando to do so.

But in so doing, that in turn curates a paradox. The Last of Us: Part 1 attempted through it's story as a house to have Joel and Ellie present throughout the house, but what happens when 3/4's of your main cast is realistically unable to be represented as a result of where you are having the event at?

This is a late night musing, and I apologize for the blunt hit of a golf club that is reality; but I think there might be a real shot that TLOU2 might be forced to sit out of UOR until things get better for those in the landscape of Florida's LGBTQ+ scene.

I am going to be upfront that I hope this is an element of unfounded paranoia and fear, but a part of me thinks TLOU1 worked in context of the vaccum, because of how they treated Ellie and Joel more simplistically. TLOU2 would be a much larger hill to climb that might be more problematic for Orlando.
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This is gonna be difficult to touch on but I'll give it a go.

I understand the concern that people may have for this, but I don't think people walking through the house would actually KNOW these characters are LGBTQ+. Aside from having played the game/watched the show, there'd be no way of actually knowing.

Plus - The Last of Us Part 1 already made it clear that Ellie is part of the community. It just wasn't overt in the house. The characters of Ellie and Dina can appear in the house without issue.

I know people are likely more concerned about the character of Lev - but..

1. I don't think Lev would likely be featured THAT much in the house, at least not to the level of Ellie/Abby/Dina.
2. Like Ellie and Dina, Lev's inclusion in the community isn't really explicit and clear - it is only mentioned offhand with a few lines in the game. I don't think it would be a BAD idea for Lev to maybe be kept further away from patrons, but I'd say the same for Ellie/Dina/Abby.

Finally...

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I apologize for the blunt hit of a golf club that is reality;
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i think there is a fine line between being proactive and protecting employees from potential harm and paranoia. it's absolutely possible that someone, perhaps even someone in the florida government, gets excised about the inclusion of a relatively minor character in a seasonal halloween event at the other theme park resort in town. but that does not seem particularly likely to me, and it would be a mistake (imo) to preemptively censor a maze out of that fear.

universal isn't disney and the florida governor isn't running for president anymore. i don't say that to say, "all good, nothing to see here!" but to say the things that made the desantis v. disney battle so pronounced don't apply to horror nights in 2025.

and as far as danger from guests in the house is concerned... i'm of the mind universal should be more vigilant about that regardless of the character portrayed. this house is no exception.
 
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AlexanderMBush said:
I am going to throw out an idea on the matter of a specific IP. An IP that has been rumored for the event, but one that I think might not end up happening for Orlando due to elements that'd...I genuinely don't like.

Been musing and chewing on the idea--but what if Orlando opts out of The Last of Us: Part 2, not out of concern of backlash for the material, but...

out of concern of the state government of Florida. This is going to be a unique situation and if the moderators do not wish to have me continue it, I fully understand; but I think there is a shot that The Last of Us: Part 2 is a much more dangerous IP to have at Halloween Horror Nights Orlando legally, because of the political landscape of how they view and wish to treat those in the LGBTQ+ community.

How they wish to strip their rights, and dehumanize those involved. We know they've viewed and looked towards actions done in the tourism sector and have attempted to prevent others (such as Disney) in the promotion of that. And in the case of The Last of Us, you have 3 major characters throughout the story that have blatent and complete ties towards that of the LGBTQ+ community, in a way that might be too much of a risk for Orlando to do so.

But in so doing, that in turn curates a paradox. The Last of Us: Part 1 attempted through it's story as a house to have Joel and Ellie present throughout the house, but what happens when 3/4's of your main cast is realistically unable to be represented as a result of where you are having the event at?

This is a late night musing, and I apologize for the blunt hit of a golf club that is reality; but I think there might be a real shot that TLOU2 might be forced to sit out of UOR until things get better for those in the landscape of Florida's LGBTQ+ scene.

I am going to be upfront that I hope this is an element of unfounded paranoia and fear, but a part of me thinks TLOU1 worked in context of the vaccum, because of how they treated Ellie and Joel more simplistically. TLOU2 would be a much larger hill to climb that might be more problematic for Orlando.
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I think you’re underestimating how many gay people live in Florida/orlando
 
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AlexanderMBush said:
I am going to throw out an idea on the matter of a specific IP. An IP that has been rumored for the event, but one that I think might not end up happening for Orlando due to elements that'd...I genuinely don't like.

Been musing and chewing on the idea--but what if Orlando opts out of The Last of Us: Part 2, not out of concern of backlash for the material, but...

out of concern of the state government of Florida. This is going to be a unique situation and if the moderators do not wish to have me continue it, I fully understand; but I think there is a shot that The Last of Us: Part 2 is a much more dangerous IP to have at Halloween Horror Nights Orlando legally, because of the political landscape of how they view and wish to treat those in the LGBTQ+ community.

How they wish to strip their rights, and dehumanize those involved. We know they've viewed and looked towards actions done in the tourism sector and have attempted to prevent others (such as Disney) in the promotion of that. And in the case of The Last of Us, you have 3 major characters throughout the story that have blatent and complete ties towards that of the LGBTQ+ community, in a way that might be too much of a risk for Orlando to do so.

But in so doing, that in turn curates a paradox. The Last of Us: Part 1 attempted through it's story as a house to have Joel and Ellie present throughout the house, but what happens when 3/4's of your main cast is realistically unable to be represented as a result of where you are having the event at?

This is a late night musing, and I apologize for the blunt hit of a golf club that is reality; but I think there might be a real shot that TLOU2 might be forced to sit out of UOR until things get better for those in the landscape of Florida's LGBTQ+ scene.

I am going to be upfront that I hope this is an element of unfounded paranoia and fear, but a part of me thinks TLOU1 worked in context of the vaccum, because of how they treated Ellie and Joel more simplistically. TLOU2 would be a much larger hill to climb that might be more problematic for Orlando.
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As a person who is part of the community you're referring to, I also cannot imagine Universal making this a concern, let alone, having this become a question when choosing an IP. They even still sell a lot of "Love is Universal" merch year round. They actually aren't hypocritical or quiet on where they stand on the issue, and it's another reason for me to love them.

I know several of the guys in A&D, and I know from personal experience that they are so very welcoming and accommodating and wonderful on this issue. Some of you who have been on this forum a long time may remember me saying that my wife and I actually got married during HHN 25 - and we were allowed to have the whole ceremony on top of the hill by Central Park at midnight on Halloween. Several of the A&D guys attended the ceremony, and they even wrangled a couple of chainsaw clowns to be a part of it. It was an experience I'll never forget, and I will always be forever grateful to them - especially this year since this will be our 10th anniversay which we will celebrate at HHN on Halloween.

All that said to say - screw the haters. This is still a free country - ish - and there comes a point where you just have to take a stand.
 
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AlexanderMBush said:
I am going to throw out an idea on the matter of a specific IP. An IP that has been rumored for the event, but one that I think might not end up happening for Orlando due to elements that'd...I genuinely don't like.

Been musing and chewing on the idea--but what if Orlando opts out of The Last of Us: Part 2, not out of concern of backlash for the material, but...

out of concern of the state government of Florida. This is going to be a unique situation and if the moderators do not wish to have me continue it, I fully understand; but I think there is a shot that The Last of Us: Part 2 is a much more dangerous IP to have at Halloween Horror Nights Orlando legally, because of the political landscape of how they view and wish to treat those in the LGBTQ+ community.

How they wish to strip their rights, and dehumanize those involved. We know they've viewed and looked towards actions done in the tourism sector and have attempted to prevent others (such as Disney) in the promotion of that. And in the case of The Last of Us, you have 3 major characters throughout the story that have blatent and complete ties towards that of the LGBTQ+ community, in a way that might be too much of a risk for Orlando to do so.

But in so doing, that in turn curates a paradox. The Last of Us: Part 1 attempted through it's story as a house to have Joel and Ellie present throughout the house, but what happens when 3/4's of your main cast is realistically unable to be represented as a result of where you are having the event at?

This is a late night musing, and I apologize for the blunt hit of a golf club that is reality; but I think there might be a real shot that TLOU2 might be forced to sit out of UOR until things get better for those in the landscape of Florida's LGBTQ+ scene.

I am going to be upfront that I hope this is an element of unfounded paranoia and fear, but a part of me thinks TLOU1 worked in context of the vaccum, because of how they treated Ellie and Joel more simplistically. TLOU2 would be a much larger hill to climb that might be more problematic for Orlando.
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Approaching this as objectively as possible, i think something that makes a GREAT Horror Nights IP adaptation is how they often put YOU in the shoes of the character and put YOU in the scenarios those characters faced. In other words, YOU ARE Joel and Ellie and YOU are witnessing what they witnessed; The horror/terror impetus is thrust upon you to get through the house like those characters got through those scenes. Compare this to a storybook/narrative IP adaptation, where it feels more like you're watching recreation of scenes between characters, where you're NOT the character, and instead a passive viewer of the story as it unfolds. The best comparisons i've got are how it felt like YOU were in the apocalypse looking for Rick/Daryl/Michonne in the Walking Dead Houses and they didn't often have anyone PLAYING any of those characters because the implication is that they want you to FEEL like those characters or how you felt like the Maitlands being led through Death/Afterlife and meeting Beetlejuice in the Beetlejuice house and how you were put behind the driver's seat to feel how they felt interacting with those characters, imo. Put this against the Ash vs. Evil Dead or Stranger Things houses where you're literally seeing Ash fighting deadites or Eleven/Max fighting Vecna; You're NOT the character in these situations, but in their universe, recreating those scenes you've once watched.

TL;DR: PERSPECTIVE
((EDIT: I don't want to SEE Laurie Strode running from Michael while going through a Halloween house, i want to BE Laurie Strode running away from Michael while going through that Halloween house))

Follow me here, cause i -more or less- felt this way when they adapted Last of Us the first time, and i witnessed this exact difference between the two houses on each coast that year. In Hollywood, they had Joel and Ellie actors in almost every scene, you were constantly seeing them shoot at something or run from something or what have you and instead you were a witness/bystander to their engagement with their surroundings. But compare this to Florida's where there weren't any actors for Joel and Ellie and instead YOU were meant to feel like Joel and Ellie going through those situations. It was an entirely different experience from coast to coast but it was the same property, so it was wild to me that they'd have such drastically different adaptative perspectives. In a weird way, i think THIS IS the simple solution. To just... do the same thing they did last time. In Florida, we will likely be having their(probably Ellie's) experience watching things unfold from her perspective and i would not be surprised at all if California does the same thing they did last time, which is the opposite, and cast multiple actors to play multiple characters and you're instead seeing recreation of specific scenes.
 
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Orlando should do an original house blatantly inspired by its former neighbor...

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Doubt they would ever do this, but I'd love a house that is inspired by former/current roadside attractions throughout US 192/I-Drive.
 
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Approaching this as objectively as possible, i think something that makes a GREAT Horror Nights IP adaptation is how they often put YOU in the shoes of the character and put YOU in the scenarios those characters faced. In other words, YOU ARE Joel and Ellie and YOU are witnessing what they witnessed; The horror/terror impetus is thrust upon you to get through the house like those characters got through those scenes. Compare this to a storybook/narrative IP adaptation, where it feels more like you're watching recreation of scenes between characters, where you're NOT the character, and instead a passive viewer of the story as it unfolds. The best comparisons i've got are how it felt like YOU were in the apocalypse looking for Rick/Daryl/Michonne in the Walking Dead Houses and they didn't often have anyone PLAYING any of those characters because the implication is that they want you to FEEL like those characters or how you felt like the Maitlands being led through Death/Afterlife and meeting Beetlejuice in the Beetlejuice house and how you were put behind the driver's seat to feel how they felt interacting with those characters, imo. Put this against the Ash vs. Evil Dead or Stranger Things houses where you're literally seeing Ash fighting deadites or Eleven/Max fighting Vecna; You're NOT the character in these situations, but in their universe, recreating those scenes you've once watched.

TL;DR: PERSPECTIVE.

Follow me here, cause i -more or less- felt this way when they adapted Last of Us the first time, and i witnessed this exact difference between the two houses on each coast that year. In Hollywood, they had Joel and Ellie actors in almost every scene, you were constantly seeing them shoot at something or run from something or what have you and instead you were a witness/bystander to their engagement with their surroundings. But compare this to Florida's where there weren't any actors for Joel and Ellie and instead YOU were meant to feel like Joel and Ellie going through those situations. It was an entirely different experience from coast to coast but it was the same property, so it was wild to me that they'd have such drastically different adaptative perspectives. In a weird way, i think THIS IS the simple solution. To just... do the same thing they did last time. In Florida, we will likely be having their(probably Ellie's) experience watching things unfold from her perspective and i would not be surprised at all if California does the same thing they did last time, which is the opposite, and cast multiple actors to play multiple characters and you're instead seeing recreation of specific scenes.
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But... that's why Orlando's version didn't completely work for me. Also they WERE in the house but barely. Kinda ruins the immersion of it if you want to go by that logic where instead of having them in the house that us the people walking through the house ARE Joel and Ellie. I'm just saying that having them barely in the house it just felt like TWD all over again. If they end up doing the same for TLoU 2, that would be a real shame. I don't even think you could but idk. TWD 2.0 lol.
 
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But... that's why Orlando's version didn't completely work for me. Also they WERE in the house but barely. Kinda ruins the immersion of it if you want to go by that logic where instead of having them in the house that us the people walking through the house ARE Joel and Ellie. I'm just saying that having them barely in the house it just felt like TWD all over again. If they end up doing the same for TLoU 2, that would be a real shame. I don't even think you could but idk. TWD 2.0 lol.
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I remember hearing voices in one scene and then seeing weird manikins in their outfits at the end to act as a 'closer' for the house, but not much more than that in Orlando, if i remember correctly. That being said, i did say i was approaching this as objectively as possible, to suggest a solution. IF someone were worried about adapting certain things, you have a clear answer as it's something they already do.

Obviously your subjective opinions on how that was adapted and your experience going through it may vary, especially if you have opinions on the source material. lol
 
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I remember hearing voices in one scene and then seeing weird manikins in their outfits at the end to act as a 'closer' for the house, but not much more than that in Orlando, if i remember correctly. That being said, i did say i was approaching this as objectively as possible, to suggest a solution. IF someone were worried about adapting certain things, you have a clear answer as it's something they already do.

Obviously your subjective opinions on how that was adapted and your experience going through it may vary, especially if you have opinions on the source material. lol
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They were definitely in the house more than that lol. Not in every room or anything, but they were definitely there.
 
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As a person who is part of the community you're referring to, I also cannot imagine Universal making this a concern, let alone, having this become a question when choosing an IP. They even still sell a lot of "Love is Universal" merch year round. They actually aren't hypocritical or quiet on where they stand on the issue, and it's another reason for me to love them.

I know several of the guys in A&D, and I know from personal experience that they are so very welcoming and accommodating and wonderful on this issue. Some of you who have been on this forum a long time may remember me saying that my wife and I actually got married during HHN 25 - and we were allowed to have the whole ceremony on top of the hill by Central Park at midnight on Halloween. Several of the A&D guys attended the ceremony, and they even wrangled a couple of chainsaw clowns to be a part of it. It was an experience I'll never forget, and I will always be forever grateful to them - especially this year since this will be our 10th anniversay which we will celebrate at HHN on Halloween.

All that said to say - screw the haters. This is still a free country - ish - and there comes a point where you just have to take a stand.
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Wait, they actually let people get married at Horror Nights that isn't part of some contest? (I know they had the wedding contest in 2010 and the lucky couple got married on the steps of the Wyandott Estate.) Ok then... *Scribbles get married at HHN on The Bucket List.* Fat lot of good it'll do me but it never hurts to hope.
 
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They were definitely in the house more than that lol. Not in every room or anything, but they were definitely there.
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Codeman... of course, get me to rewatch both coasts, twist my arm. lol

There was a Joel at the beginning who slinks out of the corner of the garage looking for Ellie, who i didn't remember seeing when i went through it, and then there was an Ellie with a rifle about 50% of the way through who i DO remember but totally forgot.

That's TWO live actors in Orlando vs. Hollywood's EIGHT.

In Orlando's you're IN the s#it. Joel is overshadowed and Ellie is given a single moment with a gun: they are almost an after-thought in the house to say "we should probably have em."
In Hollywood's they're there with you almost every step of the way, making jokes, assessing things around you, fighting back with multiple different weapons, doing stuff from the games, etc. They arguably CONTROL every scene they're in.

This is the point i was trying to make.
Narrative =/= Execution for reason of focus/perspective and they have the freedom to adapt part two similarly.
 
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Codeman... of course, get me to rewatch both coasts, twist my arm. lol

There was a Joel at the beginning who slinks out of the corner of the garage looking for Ellie, who i didn't remember seeing when i went through it, and then there was an Ellie with a rifle about 50% of the way through who i DO remember but totally forgot.

That's TWO live actors in Orlando vs. Hollywood's EIGHT.

In Orlando's you're IN the s#it. Joel is overshadowed and Ellie is given a single moment with a gun: they are almost an after-thought in the house to say "we should probably have em."
In Hollywood's they're there with you almost every step of the way, making jokes, assessing things around you, fighting back with multiple different weapons, doing stuff from the games, etc. They arguably CONTROL every scene they're in.

This is the point i was trying to make.
Narrative =/= Execution for reason of focus/perspective and they have the freedom to adapt part two similarly.
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I was just pointing out that they actually appeared in the house aside from being mannequins lol

(Also Joel appears firing a gun out of one of the houses in the Pittsburgh suburb room)
 
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