JungleSkip
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I hope not...Also, I don't remember typing that haha
Weird. I was quoting Disneyhead lol
I hope not...Also, I don't remember typing that haha
I agree with most of the logic here, but I just don't see where they are going to find 100 acres to use for hotels on the main property. Looking at the infrastructure plans, it seems like 2 parks and a water park plus parking will take up almost all of the space. I can see a couple small hotels fitting, but I can't visualize anywhere near 100 acres.Yeah, I expect there to be one very high end hotel right there at the entrance to park #3/CW; probably around 800-1000 rooms across 20 acres; those will probably end up being the most expensive rooms that Universal offers in Orlando over time.
The next 3 hotels would look similar to what UOR has: 2 moderate hotels like Sapphire Falls/Royal Pacific of around 1000 rooms across 20ish acres each, and one giant premier value hotel of 2000+ rooms spread over 40 acres that's near the water park (i.e. like Cabana Bay vis-a-vis Volcano Bay).
Those first 4 hotels take up around 100 acres; after that I'd imagine the rest is Aventura-like towers to get the room count as high as possible... 100 rooms per acre on small plots of 6-7 acres.
Were you counting some of this in the 100 acres expectation?This is also why I'm hoping that they grab those 2 parcels on Universal Blvd so they can put the value hotels there with another 6000 rooms west of the Kirkman extension. There really isn't space on the main property for more than 5000 rooms if you want some larger resorts (and not just towers).
I agree. That's a very significant small/medium sized conventions/hotel resort business in that spot. I'd guess the revenues are huge.Shingle Creek is Rosen's crown jewel. I seriously doubt they'd want to sell.
I agree to an extent, but everyone has a price. That being said, partnering beyond the standard 'partner hotel' category is more what I'd envision.Shingle Creek is Rosen's crown jewel. I seriously doubt they'd want to sell.
Shingle Creek is Rosen's crown jewel. I seriously doubt they'd want to sell.
I agree with this, I think it’s very much a personal thing for Harris Rosen. However he’s 79 now so 10+ or so years from now I think that all could change.Shingle Creek is Rosen's crown jewel. I seriously doubt they'd want to sell.
Yeah I'm in agreement that things will be crammed in there, which is why they need to grab those 2 parcels on Uni Blvd. that Thomas lost. Those 2 parcels are 3500 value hotel rooms.I agree with most of the logic here, but I just don't see where they are going to find 100 acres to use for hotels on the main property. Looking at the infrastructure plans, it seems like 2 parks and a water park plus parking will take up almost all of the space. I can see a couple small hotels fitting, but I can't visualize anywhere near 100 acres.
Were you counting some of this in the 100 acres expectation?
I'm of the opinion that they will really need to cram in rooms on the offsite parcels, and also that the additional UCPM ones would be really helpful.
They already have the 20 acres west of Topgolf, and 20 acres south on Destination pkwy, each of which should be good for a 1500-2000 room tower style value resort. (Dockside is 2050 rooms on 24 acres.) Getting the western UCPM parcel would allow for another hotel of similar size.
The 15 acres south of the substation looks good for a potential 750-1000 room moderate hotel regardless of additional acquisition, but getting that "middle" UCPM parcel would allow for a 2000+ room prime value to be built there as well.
So they can fit a LOT of rooms on disconnected parcels, but I think they will be really hurting for land to build hotels on the main area.
Sure doesn't seem like it. I'm guessing it'll just be a lot of busesDoes anyone think they will recreate a water taxi system ie. as the north property currently has? Or just not enough space? As I frequent the RP I think it is a nice touch.
Does anyone think they will recreate a water taxi system ie. as the north property currently has? Or just not enough space? As I frequent the RP I think it is a nice touch.
Hmm. Interesting.Mario themed tubes throughout the resort is the next logical step.
I don't think they will if only because it's not clear that there's enough space to put extra random bodies of water.Does anyone think they will recreate a water taxi system ie. as the north property currently has? Or just not enough space? As I frequent the RP I think it is a nice touch.
Well, the good about Comcast is that they're all in on building out UOR to rival WDW, and all the good that comes with that.
But Comcast is all about profit maximization; if you asked them if they'd ever build another Portofino Bay, they'd laugh probably.
Now that doesn't mean we won't get another premier or more horizontal hotel, but it'd be much closer to Hard Rock's 650 rooms on 15 acres than Portofino Bay's 750 rooms on 30 acres. There's going to have to be some towers if they're going to hit around 5000 hotel rooms on this property.
This is also why I'm hoping that they grab those 2 parcels on Universal Blvd so they can put the value hotels there with another 6000 rooms west of the Kirkman extension. There really isn't space on the main property for more than 5000 rooms if you want some larger resorts (and not just towers).
I don't think they will if only because it's not clear that there's enough space to put extra random bodies of water.
I'd certainly expect the theme parks and hotels to have lakes in/around them, but whether there's a water taxi system depends on how things connect.
Right now, it doesn't seem likely but maybe down the road when the east part is built it could be possible.
That's a serious bummer. The water taxi that lets you never leave Universal property, skip security at the parks is one of the highlights for me. A monorail or something of the like that keeps you "connected" to the resort at all times would go a long way. Not to mention it would "one-up" Disney.