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To justify the loss of aesthetic value that is going to come from getting rid of the Rivers of America, this attraction needs to be one of the greatest ever designed by Imagineering.

That little clip gives me very little confidence it will be.
 
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To justify the loss of aesthetic value that is going to come from getting rid of the Rivers of America, this attraction needs to be one of the greatest ever designed by Imagineering.

That little clip gives me very little confidence it will be.
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I think it’ll be great, I’m not convinced it’ll be top tier all time Disney though. This is ultimately gonna be a major win for capacity though, and that continues to feel like the driving force here.
 
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This is just for fun, but I tried to evaluate the potential elevation difference of Radiator Springs Racers vs. this new Magic Kingdom Cars attraction based on the paper model released by Disney. From what I can tell, the elevation difference in RSR is about 12-16 feet whereas the MK Cars attraction will be 30-35 feet. So while this is about 1/3 the elevation range that the concept art suggests (using the vehicles as the "measuring stick") it will be just over twice as hilly as RSR.

I do wonder if they should do parallel racing tracks as in RSR for capacity.
 

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There's a lot of assuming that this will be lifting from Carsland / RSR in any way. Is there any reason to believe that besides the IP choice?

Seems like a new ride system, with a much different theme, concept, and role within the park, in a plot of land that is no where near as large. It doesn't seem like it'll focus on TT / RSR-style speed sections or anything like that. It's looking to be open-air off roading.

Maybe the animatronics in the finale will be similarly built to DCA's, but otherwise I think a lot of weight is being put towards a connection between these two attractions that I'm unsure is even really there.
 
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I haven't seen a lot of people expecting this to be very similar to Radiator Springs Racers.

If anything, even some of us who hate where it's going have commended Disney for attempting a new, original CARS attraction concept instead of just cloning.

But attempt and intent are one thing; they have to deliver an actually excellent experience for real. And it has to look great from all sides, given that guest pathways will completely encircle it. And it has to provide some new value -- atmospherically -- to make up for what the park will be losing.

In short, it has to be phenomenal... and promoting it (even at this early point) with some mocked-up dirt piles does nothing to get me enthused.
 
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Not confirmation for sure, but the Imagineering video posted today shows them working with what appears to be a mockup of sorts of the TT/RSR ride system during the Cars segment... I guess it could be EMV track but the slot looks a little big for that:

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This is their RV test area in Glendale that Google Streetview lets you see right over the fence: Imagineering

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Not confirmation for sure, but the Imagineering video posted today shows them working with what appears to be a mockup of sorts of the TT/RSR ride system during the Cars segment... I guess it could be EMV track but the slot looks a little big for that:

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This is their RV test area in Glendale that Google Streetview lets you see right over the fence: Imagineering

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I'm thinking it'll use the Test Track system but the modified version they did for Rocket Rods where the busbar was ABOVE the track not below.

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Not sure if ive missed the boat on this but wanted to express something that i havent seen articulated, and if Disney does read this forum it might be worth seeing.


I grew up on Disney. My family crossed the Atlantic multiple times a year just to be there. It wasn’t just a theme park, it felt alive, like it existed even when I wasn’t there. The nostalgia was powerful, and we kept coming back. Even when I turned 18, could have chosen anywhere, I went with my mates, Disney was the focal point of the trip. So even when I was an adult (kind of) i still chose disney, that is a powerful hold.

But I haven’t set foot in a Disney park since 2018. Every time I go to Florida now, I stay on Universal property. And with the removal of Rivers of America, that shift feels permanent. When I have kids, they’ll grow up on Universal, not Disney.


Thi isn’t just about one attraction being removed. It’s about Disney losing the plot entirely. The park was never just about rides. If I wanted pure thrills, I’d go to a Six Flags (well probably just Uni now although i dont even like traditional theme parks). Magic Kingdom was special because it felt like a place that existed beyond the moment you were standing in it. The detail, the atmosphere, the way it felt like a living, breathing world, that’s what made Disney Disney. That’s what made generations of families commit to it.

Disney doesn’t seem to get that anymore. It’s not about creating immersive worlds, it’s about slapping an IP onto everything and calling it a day. It used to be that an IP was just a tool to build a world, to create that sense of place. Now, the IP is the attraction, and everything else is an afterthought. It’s lazy. It’s short-sighted. And it’s why people like me, who should have been lifelong customers, are checking out.

If Disney keeps making these kinds of decisions, they’re not just losing a few visitors, they’re losing entire generations of families. My parents spent hundreds of thousands on Disney, and I probably would have too. But not anymore.

The thing is, they already had me. I was theirs to lose. They didn’t need to win me over, they had a massive head start, deep roots in my childhood. But now? Those roots will be in Universal instead. Anyway this is obviously anecdotal but i feel lile my family as customers, are the customers that may have the biggest impact. Like imagine 10-20 years of me taking my kids to Disney, there is a world where that would have happened.

What will be funny in 20 years from now, will be when Universal rips out the lagoon at Islands of Adventure. Will my kid be posting something just like this.

Edit: also looking at that mock up of the ride above makes me think universal needs to rip out kong and build a jurassic park jeep ride asap, and just make sure its better than cars, that would be a supreme move, expert trolling.

"Jurassic park off-road adventure."
 
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MartyMcFly said:
Not sure if ive missed the boat on this but wanted to express something that i havent seen articulated, and if Disney does read this forum it might be worth seeing.


I grew up on Disney. My family crossed the Atlantic multiple times a year just to be there. It wasn’t just a theme park, it felt alive, like it existed even when I wasn’t there. The nostalgia was powerful, and we kept coming back. Even when I turned 18, could have chosen anywhere, I went with my mates, Disney was the focal point of the trip. So even when I was an adult (kind of) i still chose disney, that is a powerful hold.

But I haven’t set foot in a Disney park since 2018. Every time I go to Florida now, I stay on Universal property. And with the removal of Rivers of America, that shift feels permanent. When I have kids, they’ll grow up on Universal, not Disney.


Thi isn’t just about one attraction being removed. It’s about Disney losing the plot entirely. The park was never just about rides. If I wanted pure thrills, I’d go to a Six Flags (well probably just Uni now although i dont even like traditional theme parks). Magic Kingdom was special because it felt like a place that existed beyond the moment you were standing in it. The detail, the atmosphere, the way it felt like a living, breathing world, that’s what made Disney Disney. That’s what made generations of families commit to it.

Disney doesn’t seem to get that anymore. It’s not about creating immersive worlds, it’s about slapping an IP onto everything and calling it a day. It used to be that an IP was just a tool to build a world, to create that sense of place. Now, the IP is the attraction, and everything else is an afterthought. It’s lazy. It’s short-sighted. And it’s why people like me, who should have been lifelong customers, are checking out.

If Disney keeps making these kinds of decisions, they’re not just losing a few visitors, they’re losing entire generations of families. My parents spent hundreds of thousands on Disney, and I probably would have too. But not anymore.

The thing is, they already had me. I was theirs to lose. They didn’t need to win me over, they had a massive head start, deep roots in my childhood. But now? Those roots will be in Universal instead. Anyway this is obviously anecdotal but i feel lile my family as customers, are the customers that may have the biggest impact. Like imagine 10-20 years of me taking my kids to Disney, there is a world where that would have happened.

What will be funny in 20 years from now, will be when Universal rips out the lagoon at Islands of Adventure. Will my kid be posting something just like this.

Edit: also looking at that mock up of the ride above makes me think universal needs to rip out kong and build a jurassic park jeep ride asap, and just make sure its better than cars, that would be a supreme move, expert trolling.

"Jurassic park off-road adventure."
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Well Universal does the same exact thing. Might as well just split the difference between the two. They both still have beautifully crafted theme parks and world renowned attractions.
 
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I get that people have emotion attachments to certain attractions and there's always going to be a group of fans upset when i a ride closes, but a lot of times it just feels like people joining in on the online protesting just because... I'm sorry but I will never understand the outrage when it comes to this one. This whole thing reminds me of when Frozen at Epcot replaced a ride that nobody cared about until it was announced they were closing it, but Rivers of America isn't even really an attraction. You just went over there to get away from crowds and take pictures. The fact that I've seen people say they'll stop going to Disney because they decided to replace a river with an actual attraction is strange to me. Some of the tweets I've seen from people upset about this have been downright hilarious. Serious question: Other than being aesthetically pleasing, I'd like to hear legitimate reasons for being upset other than "It's quiet and nice to look at". At the end of the day, Magic Kingdom is still a theme park.
 
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I get that people have emotion attachments to certain attractions and there's always going to be a group of fans upset when i a ride closes, but a lot of times it just feels like people joining in on the online protesting just because... I'm sorry but I will never understand the outrage when it comes to this one. This whole thing reminds me of when Frozen at Epcot replaced a ride that nobody cared about until it was announced they were closing it, but Rivers of America isn't even really an attraction. You just went over there to get away from crowds and take pictures. The fact that I've seen people say they'll stop going to Disney because they decided to replace a river with an actual attraction is strange to me. Some of the tweets I've seen from people upset about this have been downright hilarious. Serious question: Other than being aesthetically pleasing, I'd like to hear legitimate reasons for being upset other than "It's quiet and nice to look at". At the end of the day, Magic Kingdom is still a theme park.
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I get your argument, some people only see value in an attraction if it has a queue and a ride vehicle. By that logic, if you’re not physically strapped into something, it’s just wasted space, right? I get it.


But that’s exactly the problem. Disney was never just about rides, it was about world-building, about making the park feel like it existed beyond the moment you were standing in it. And you’re telling me a giant river running through the middle of a theme park, with a massive turn-of-the-century steamboat chugging around it, is not an attraction? Come on. That’s theme park set dressing on a scale no one else was even attempting. It made the place feel real. It was the difference between Disneyland and just another amusement park with a bunch of rides shoved next to each other. You dont even d to ride it.

Your take is like saying, “Why dress a movie set with detail? Just put some explosions in.” Like yeah, sure, let’s just strip everything back to the bare minimum of “does it move fast?” and call it a day. That’s exactly how you suck the soul out of a place.



You bring up Frozen replacing Maelstrom, acting like this is just people getting mad because something changed. But this isn’t that. This is a fundamental shift in how Disney sees its own parks. They’re ripping out the details that made it feel like a world and replacing them with things to do instead of places to be.





You say, “At the end of the day, Magic Kingdom is still a theme park.” Exactly. And that’s the problem. Because it wasn’t just a theme park. That was the whole point. But Disney is making decisions that strip that away, and once they’ve turned it into just another theme park, guess what? It’s not special anymore. And when it’s not special anymore, why the hell should anyone stay loyal to it?
 
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The biggest problems I have with this is it’s going into a park that doesn’t NEED it (they have 3 other parks that desperately need more attractions), and replacing something that opened with MK which is still one of the quiet, peaceful things in the park for people who don’t want speed/noise/thrills. It’s also one of the few things Walt actually planned for WDW— every one of the maps and renderings for the Florida Project depicts the Rivers of America in the theme park even when there are no other details shown. The idea of a river boat at Disneyland was so important to Walt that he mortgaged his own home to get the Mark Twain built for park opening in 1955.
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I think it would've been a easier pill to swallow if they had picked a better IP to replace it imo. Personally I wouldn't have picked Cars. Something like Zootopia, Moana, Coco, Big Hero 6, Tangled... A lot of different options. I get Cars aesthetically speaking fits in the most for Frontierland but idk. I just hope it's worth losing this beautiful area of the park. If the land is just as beautiful and the rides are great people won't care anymore. I mean some will but there's just some people you can never please unfortunately
 
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HandsomePete said:
Not confirmation for sure, but the Imagineering video posted today shows them working with what appears to be a mockup of sorts of the TT/RSR ride system during the Cars segment... I guess it could be EMV track but the slot looks a little big for that:

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This is their RV test area in Glendale that Google Streetview lets you see right over the fence: Imagineering

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This may be true, but I wouldn't take everything in this video factually. They had the Radiator Spring Racers layout in the background when they mentioned what layouts to choose for this new attraction lol

AvoidTIMtation said:
I get that people have emotion attachments to certain attractions and there's always going to be a group of fans upset when i a ride closes, but a lot of times it just feels like people joining in on the online protesting just because... I'm sorry but I will never understand the outrage when it comes to this one. This whole thing reminds me of when Frozen at Epcot replaced a ride that nobody cared about until it was announced they were closing it, but Rivers of America isn't even really an attraction. You just went over there to get away from crowds and take pictures. The fact that I've seen people say they'll stop going to Disney because they decided to replace a river with an actual attraction is strange to me. Some of the tweets I've seen from people upset about this have been downright hilarious. Serious question: Other than being aesthetically pleasing, I'd like to hear legitimate reasons for being upset other than "It's quiet and nice to look at". At the end of the day, Magic Kingdom is still a theme park.
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Maelstrom being replaced by Frozen is not the same issue. That was an attraction that displayed the host pavilion's mythology and acted as an advertisement to visit the host nation. It was fitting for the park's original goal to provide multi-cultural experiences in a single visit. Frozen, is just a retelling/re-enactment of a Disney film that has loose connections to the host nation.

Aesthetics are what differentiates Disney from the rest of the pack (including Universal). They spend a lot of time to manicure environments to make guests feel comfortable and 'transported' to a different world (or version of the world). Us humans are attracted by water as it provides a sense of calmness, and in a crowded theme park it makes sense to provide those areas of relief.

Now, I don't disagree with the placement of this project entirely, I just find issue with them completely removing the Frontierland waterfront area. If they can just find a way to "move back" this entire project to where TSL currently starts, I will be fine. I'm not entirely against the removal of TSL or riverboat.

Something like this will be a happy medium. Additional pathways/capacity is a real issue at MK.

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Disney seems pretty unlikely to expand beyond the railroad unfortunately.
 
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I think it would've been a easier pill to swallow if they had picked a better IP to replace it imo. Personally I wouldn't have picked Cars. Something like Zootopia, Moana, Coco, Big Hero 6, Tangled... A lot of different options. I get Cars aesthetically speaking fits in the most for Frontierland but idk. I just hope it's worth losing this beautiful area of the park. If the land is just as beautiful and the rides are great people won't care anymore. I mean some will but there's just some people you can never please unfortunately
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I think it would've been a easier pill to swallow if they had picked a better IP to replace it imo. Personally I wouldn't have picked Cars. Something like Zootopia, Moana, Coco, Big Hero 6, Tangled... A lot of different options. I get Cars aesthetically speaking fits in the most for Frontierland but idk. I just hope it's worth losing this beautiful area of the park. If the land is just as beautiful and the rides are great people won't care anymore. I mean some will but there's just some people you can never please unfortunately
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I mean like 90% of the GP when this is done will love it and not even know what was there before. Its a tough business move, but a business move nonetheless.
 
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I get your argument, some people only see value in an attraction if it has a queue and a ride vehicle. By that logic, if you’re not physically strapped into something, it’s just wasted space, right? I get it.


But that’s exactly the problem. Disney was never just about rides, it was about world-building, about making the park feel like it existed beyond the moment you were standing in it. And you’re telling me a giant river running through the middle of a theme park, with a massive turn-of-the-century steamboat chugging around it, is not an attraction? Come on. That’s theme park set dressing on a scale no one else was even attempting. It made the place feel real. It was the difference between Disneyland and just another amusement park with a bunch of rides shoved next to each other. You dont even d to ride it.

Your take is like saying, “Why dress a movie set with detail? Just put some explosions in.” Like yeah, sure, let’s just strip everything back to the bare minimum of “does it move fast?” and call it a day. That’s exactly how you suck the soul out of a place.



You bring up Frozen replacing Maelstrom, acting like this is just people getting mad because something changed. But this isn’t that. This is a fundamental shift in how Disney sees its own parks. They’re ripping out the details that made it feel like a world and replacing them with things to do instead of places to be.





You say, “At the end of the day, Magic Kingdom is still a theme park.” Exactly. And that’s the problem. Because it wasn’t just a theme park. That was the whole point. But Disney is making decisions that strip that away, and once they’ve turned it into just another theme park, guess what? It’s not special anymore. And when it’s not special anymore, why the hell should anyone stay loyal to it?
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Respectfully, the version of Disney you're talking about has been gone for decades.
 
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I think it would've been a easier pill to swallow if they had picked a better IP to replace it imo. Personally I wouldn't have picked Cars. Something like Zootopia, Moana, Coco, Big Hero 6, Tangled... A lot of different options. I get Cars aesthetically speaking fits in the most for Frontierland but idk. I just hope it's worth losing this beautiful area of the park. If the land is just as beautiful and the rides are great people won't care anymore. I mean some will but there's just some people you can never please unfortunately
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if this turns out exactly like the artwork we've seen then it will be a win in my opinion.
 
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if this turns out exactly like the artwork we've seen then it will be a win in my opinion.
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It'll be a win since the GP loves Cars and Disney's merchandising team will be happy.

However, I think there's an argument for change being ok as long as they are tastefully added, but also allowed to be criticized when made haphazardly. I think GOTG replacing Energy Adventure is fine at Epcot. It's a great ride and it echoes (loosely) Epcot's original vision. Dinoland for Tropical Americas is great in my opinion. Runaway Railway for Great Movie Ride (ride certainly needed a refurb though), I'm not sure.

Frozen at Epcot, not a fan as it replaced a significant piece of the pavilion's original goal (and only cultural attraction). Remy's I'm ok with as it was an addition to the existing experiences within the pavilion.

And Disney obviously knows how critical the river is to MK/Disneyland since they went out of their way to preserve (and improve) it as much as they could when SWGE was built at DL.
 
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Other than being aesthetically pleasing, I'd like to hear legitimate reasons for being upset other than "It's quiet and nice to look at".
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Those are not legitimate reasons to value something in a theme park?

If you're really interested in the perspective of why the Rivers of America have worth, I would read this piece. It sums-up the position of those of us who are disappointed in the placement of this project very well:

www.disneytouristblog.com

Cars Rides Replacing Rivers of America & Tom Sawyer Island at Magic Kingdom - Disney Tourist Blog

Walt Disney World has announced that the Cars attractions coming to Magic Kingdom will replace the Rivers of America and Tom Sawyer Island, fully eliminating the waterway. This post shares details, concept art, and everything we know about the plan–plus commentary about why this is happening and...
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This may be true, but I wouldn't take everything in this video factually. They had the Radiator Spring Racers layout in the background when they mentioned what layouts to choose for this new attraction lol


Maelstrom being replaced by Frozen is not the same issue. That was an attraction that displayed the host pavilion's mythology and acted as an advertisement to visit the host nation. It was fitting for the park's original goal to provide multi-cultural experiences in a single visit. Frozen, is just a retelling/re-enactment of a Disney film that has loose connections to the host nation.

Aesthetics are what differentiates Disney from the rest of the pack (including Universal). They spend a lot of time to manicure environments to make guests feel comfortable and 'transported' to a different world (or version of the world). Us humans are attracted by water as it provides a sense of calmness, and in a crowded theme park it makes sense to provide those areas of relief.

Now, I don't disagree with the placement of this project entirely, I just find issue with them completely removing the Frontierland waterfront area. If they can just find a way to "move back" this entire project to where TSL currently starts, I will be fine. I'm not entirely against the removal of TSL or riverboat.

Something like this will be a happy medium. Additional pathways/capacity is a real issue at MK.

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Disney seems pretty unlikely to expand beyond the railroad unfortunately.
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This approach, where a waterfront is maintained, would have been the right move -- especially after all the furor.

The Liberty Belle could have been docked permanently down by Tiana's as a dining location, or even a highly themed lounge.

That location where the red Cars Land meets the river could have been a stunning rock cliff-face with waterfalls and there could have been a Tom Sawyer Island-like trail along the cliff, with suspension bridges.

And all the "Cars with eyeballs" would be hidden behind that cliff and only visible from that pinch point cross-over walkway between BTM and HM, where a throated (rock arch as at DCA)) entry to the Cars area would be. No theming spoiled in Liberty Square, Frontierland proper, Tiana's, or BTM.

It is/was possible to have all the cake and eat it too. This is the kind of care that went into integrating Galaxy's Edge into Disneyland (and changing the RoA)...but I don't know if those Imagineers or that mindset and talent exist there right now.

EDIT: I added a couple of photos of Shanghai Disneyland challenge trail area as example.
 

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