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Guardians of the Galaxy Disney Attraction?

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Can we also mention Disney would be closing, for at least a year, the iconic ride of the park when it's one of five rides in the park.
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Well the idea for this apparently originates from DCA where there's plenty to do other than ToT. It would come to DHS just so they can split costs.
 
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Well the idea for this apparently originates from DCA where there's plenty to do other than ToT. It would come to DHS just so they can split costs.
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I don't see how DHS can possibly go down a ride before something else opens. They haven't even finished closing things yet.
 
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Just because he said it doesn't make it true. Robert Niles has a pretty good track record and said no so.....
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Can someone direct me to his comment on it? Just totally curious what he said and googling so far has not led me to it.
 
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Can someone direct me to his comment on it? Just totally curious what he said and googling so far has not led me to it.
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When Niles replied to the thread on his site's forum, he addressed the issue of the TZ IP contract expiring, and said he had heard of that issue. He didn't say anything about GOG, even though that was the title of the forum thread......Perhaps he had stated a position in the past on GOG? I can't recall that though.
 
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When Niles replied to the thread on his site's forum, he addressed the issue of the TZ IP contract expiring, and said he had heard of that issue. He didn't say anything about GOG, even though that was the title of the forum thread......Perhaps he had stated a position in the past on GOG? I can't recall that though.
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Thanks, although that's not the definitive 'no' that @BriMan was hinting at.
 
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Thanks, although that's not the definitive 'no' that @BriMan was hinting at.
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Yeah, I realize that. Maybe BriMan had read a post in the past where he said that. But, in his most recent contribution to this issue, he didn't mantion it. The Guardians thread is on TPI's forum page.
 
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Thanks, although that's not the definitive 'no' that @BriMan was hinting at.
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Our podcast. Inceptionland.

Orlando United Radio – Episode 41: Inceptionland « Orlando United

Around 27:50 min mark, there's about a 10 min discussion.
 
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I think this is pretty much a Disneyland issue/rumour that (unfortunately) has been presented initially in the context of DHS. Perhaps to squash it.

I'm actually sort of optimistic on that the idea will work well at DCA and provide a very nice transition between Hollywood Blvd into the new Marvel land that's *eventually* coming.

The whole thing is pointless at DHS where a superior version of the ride already exists. At the very best it's a lateral move, at worst it significantly degrades the current attraction. At DCA there is actually a chance the change could improve the attraction and actually thematically work better once the context of future plans are taken into consideration.

On the other hand, despite someone wanting to clone it over to DHS, there are just too many obstacles in the way for it to ever come to fruition.


-TDO being unwilling to spend the money
-ToT actually not being a ride that currently requires any significant changes or investment in DHS
-The operational issues of closing the ride down during the makeover
-Contract issues with Universal
-Thematic issues with Sunset Blvd

We've seen way too many of Disney's blue sky plans fall apart that had a whole lot less barriers than this.

Unfortunately I think the community reaction is going to kill the plans in DCA and I actually think it's a solid plan for DCA...
 
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Granted he does say "No" but expands saying they can work together to iron something out since they are in business of making money and such.
 
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I agree with brianlo, there are a ton of obstacles for this to open at DHS. I think the biggest one is taking down another attraction before TSL or SWL opens. I also think DHS has a ton of holes, but one of them is not ToT and they need to spend their money at DHS to fix holes.

One thing that Disney has done is done a good job at trying to address their holes (AK no night time stuff, more rides needed is a perfect example) and this just not do that. It is a waste of money for no return.
 
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Still too similar, even though GotG is more light in tone.

Also, contract isn't comic only. It's anything that falls under Marvel brand.

The present inventory of the Marvel characters is set forth in the schedule to be attached or provided by Marvel promptly after execution hereof, plus any characters developed or acquired or licensed in the future by Marvel which (x) are marketed under the Marvel “Banner” or (y) were previously marketed under the Marvel “Banner” during the term hereof and are subsequently marketed under the “Banner” of a Marvel Related Company
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Yeah thats the section that, to me, nails down the Gotg not being allowed in Disney. Any characters licensed in the future by Marvel. Combine that with:

[For purpose of this subsection and subsection iv, a character is “being used by MCA” if (x) it or another character of the same “family” (e.g., any member of THE FANTASTIC FOUR, THE AVENGERS or villains associated with a hero being used) is more than an incidental element of an attraction, is presented as a costumed character, or is more than an incidental element of the theming of a retail store or food facility; and, (y) in addition, if such character or another character from the same “family” is an element in any MCA marketing during the previous year.

That means that any character in the Avengers, X-men, and Fantastic Four Universe should be off limits. While that means the GOTG name maybe could be used by Disney, any gotg character that has appeared in the other Universes is out. That means no Drax, Groot, Gamora at least. The movies are really blurring the lines too as "the future character clause" combine with the same family clause could really be argured to mean that the MCU is a family. Since the GOTG and Avengers are sharing villains, I think it gets real hard for Disney to use it. Of course any subsequent agreements could change any of that.

I'd really like to see the attached schedule though. Might clear things up a bit.


Something else interesting I noticed while scanning through the contract:

Marvel will reasonably cooperate in making information, artwork, archive material, key personnel, etc. available to MCA in order that MCA can creatively develop THE MARVEL UNIVERSE and exploit its rights hereunder. MCA will reimburse Marvel for its reasonable costs in this regard, including time of non-executive personnel and their reasonable travel expense.

Anyone else read that to mean that Marvel has to reasonably cooperate in providing key personnel to Uni, like, RDJ, and the other actors? While the actors would have to agree and have separate agreements of course, it looks to me like they couldn't reuse them. Probably not how its being executed, but interesting nonetheless.
 
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I wouldn't read key personnel as actors in the movies, but more like animators and writers to assist conceptually with design.
 
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Our podcast. Inceptionland.

Orlando United Radio – Episode 41: Inceptionland « Orlando United

Around 27:50 min mark, there's about a 10 min discussion.
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Not to discredit what he said, but that podcast was recorded in July. A lot could have changed since then.

Also, when was the last time "community reaction" truly mattered? The "community" knew about Frozen-to-Norway for a solid 8 months or so before being announced (rumors first popping up in Jan 2014). Everyone hated that idea but it still happened. Of course this GotG idea is one of the worst i've ever heard out of Disney and the backlash seems to be much worse, so who knows.
 
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I think the reaction to Frozen was "that doesn't quite fit, but we understand where they're coming from. Let's see what happens."

The reaction to this is "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
 
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I think the reaction to Frozen was "that doesn't quite fit, but we understand where they're coming from. Let's see what happens."

The reaction to this is "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
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Is that how you remember it? Maybe now that the storm has blown over, but there was definitely a huge outcry of blasphemy for an actual country in World Showcase to be swapped out for fictional Arendelle, especially when Frozen is not only better-suited but they have abundance of space options in other parks like MK and DHS.
 
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Not to discredit what he said, but that podcast was recorded in July. A lot could have changed since then.
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It's been a while since I listen to it, but wasn't his point that based on the original contract he didn't think Disney had GotG rights? Which I think was the point BriMan was trying to make. Regardless is things changed since then and Disney and Universal struck some kind of deal.
 
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Is that how you remember it? Maybe now that the storm has blown over, but there was definitely a huge outcry of blasphemy for an actual country in World Showcase to be swapped out for fictional Arendelle, especially when Frozen is not only better-suited but they have abundance of space options in other parks like MK and DHS.
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Actually from what I remember most people foresaw this way in advance because Frozen was based on the Snow Queen, which originates from Scandinavia, and the idea originally was a possible expansion of Norway. This was before the film debuted, but the general consensus was "I could see that property being nestled in there" in the same way as Mary Poppins is at the UK. Subtle enough to draw people in, and easily folded in. Even when the Malestrom overlay was starting to be heavily rumored during the smash success of Frozen's run, the reaction was not "none of this makes sense", but like you said outrage over Norway being essentially a facade for a fictional country set in the same reigion.

Guardians of the Galaxy in Tower of Tower is a bizarre, out-of-left-field proposal since the two properties could not be anymore more unlike each other. Frozen in Norway was feared because they were so alike, even if the nuance between the two could be considered offensive.
 
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Not to discredit what he said, but that podcast was recorded in July. A lot could have changed since then.
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That's why I followed up with:

BriMan said:
Granted he does say "No" but expands saying they can work together to iron something out since they are in business of making money and such.
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Actually from what I remember most people foresaw this way in advance because Frozen was based on the Snow Queen, which originates from Scandinavia, and the idea originally was a possible expansion of Norway. This was before the film debuted, but the general consensus was "I could see that property being nestled in there" in the same way as Mary Poppins is at the UK. Subtle enough to draw people in, and easily folded in. Even when the Malestrom overlay was starting to be heavily rumored during the smash success of Frozen's run, the reaction was not "none of this makes sense", but like you said outrage over Norway being essentially a facade for a fictional country set in the same reigion.

Guardians of the Galaxy in Tower of Tower is a bizarre, out-of-left-field proposal since the two properties could not be anymore more unlike each other. Frozen in Norway was feared because they were so alike, even if the nuance between the two could be considered offensive.
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Lol. Yes, it makes more sense than GOTG. But the consensus was not "I could see that property being nestled in there." It was definitely more along the lines of "Why bastardize World Showcase and lose Maelstrom when there's plenty of other places to put it?"
 
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Lol. Yes, it makes more sense than GOTG. But the consensus was not "I could see that property being nestled in there." It was definitely more along the lines of "Why bastardize World Showcase and lose Maelstrom when there's plenty of other places to put it?"
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Context is everything.

That consensus did indeed exist before the film came out and became the phenomenon it so was, particularly before it was announced to be taking place in a fictional Scandanivan country. Kind of like, "oh I could see them putting an M&G in there or even expanding it back a little". What I mean to say is that nobody ever, ever thought until a couple weeks ago about Guardians in ToT. Yet people were already pairing Frozen/Norway, albiet much, much less intense, as far back as a couple years before the movie came out.
 
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