Reedy Creek Improvement District

[Nick]

I feel like we've run out of runway in terms of anything new to really come of this now unless Disney sues or it gets rolled back so until then, I think it's time to close shop on this thread.

 

[Nick]

DeSantis looking to create new district called "Lake Buena Vista District", which would be controlled by the state, which would then have the state absorbing the $1B debt. DeSantis has vowed Disney will pay that money back, although has not laid anything out regarding how that would be lawful.

At the very least, this would relieve Orange and Osceola counties from a catastrophic increase in property taxes if this all goes through.

Reedy Creek: Central Florida Lawmakers Say DeSantis is Exploring Creating, Controlling New "Lake Buena Vista District"

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[Parkscope Joe]

DeSantis looking to create new district called "Lake Buena Vista District", which would be controlled by the state, which would then have the state absorbing the $1B debt. DeSantis has vowed Disney will pay that money back, although has not laid anything out regarding how that would be lawful.

At the very least, this would relieve Orange and Osceola counties from a catastrophic increase in property taxes if this all goes through.

Reedy Creek: Central Florida Lawmakers Say DeSantis is Exploring Creating, Controlling New "Lake Buena Vista District"

Walt Disney World news, photos, and reviews! We provide you with daily news from the Walt Disney World theme parks and beyond

blogmickey.com

Good for him!

Anyway, this week's Disney Dish basically puts to bed any notion RCID is going away. Len talked to several lawyers and it's LOL bad for DeSantis.

The Disney Dish with Jim Hill Ep 372 : Why Florida’s attempt to dissolve the RCID is going to fail, by The Jim Hill Media Podcast Network

track by The Jim Hill Media Podcast Network

disneydish.bandcamp.com

 

[Nick]

Good for him!

Anyway, this week's Disney Dish basically puts to bed any notion RCID is going away. Len talked to several lawyers and it's LOL bad for DeSantis.

The Disney Dish with Jim Hill Ep 372 : Why Florida’s attempt to dissolve the RCID is going to fail, by The Jim Hill Media Podcast Network

track by The Jim Hill Media Podcast Network

disneydish.bandcamp.com

Oh of course. This is still illegal, but it's all dependent on Disney/RCID taking up legal action. I think this will all be a backroom deal type of thing and DeSantis won't budge until after the election, which is why he gave it until next June. It allows him to see if he'll still be Governor next year and then if he is, he can try to get Disney more on his side, probably with some unwritten agreement that they won't speak out on these types of issues publicly and Disney gets to keep RCID. Your standard Quid Pro Quo.

If there is a new Governor elected, Disney can just wait until next year with the extreme likelihood that the new Governor of the opposite party will veto this mess anyway.

 

[SkiBum]

Oh of course. This is still illegal, but it's all dependent on Disney/RCID taking up legal action. I think this will all be a backroom deal type of thing and DeSantis won't budge until after the election, which is why he gave it until next June. It allows him to see if he'll still be Governor next year and then if he is, he can try to get Disney more on his side, probably with some unwritten agreement that they won't speak out on these types of issues publicly and Disney gets to keep RCID. Your standard Quid Pro Quo.

If there is a new Governor elected, Disney can just wait until next year with the extreme likelihood that the new Governor of the opposite party will veto this mess anyway.

This is exactly how I think that it will play out. The best response by DeSantis would have been to veto the bill but still make a statement about not agreeing with Disney's stance. Reedy Creek's fire stations have fun exterior features on some of them. Would hate for those to be eliminated.

 

[JoeCamel]

Oh of course. This is still illegal, but it's all dependent on Disney/RCID taking up legal action. I think this will all be a backroom deal type of thing and DeSantis won't budge until after the election, which is why he gave it until next June. It allows him to see if he'll still be Governor next year and then if he is, he can try to get Disney more on his side, probably with some unwritten agreement that they won't speak out on these types of issues publicly and Disney gets to keep RCID. Your standard Quid Pro Quo.

If there is a new Governor elected, Disney can just wait until next year with the extreme likelihood that the new Governor of the opposite party will veto this mess anyway.

If Ron signed it Nikki can't undo it. It was a law passed by the legislature. If we keep Tally red they may not want to write a new law.

 

[Nick]

If Ron signed it Nikki can't undo it. It was a law passed by the legislature. If we keep Tally red they may not want to write a new law.

It was a performative act that if taken to court would be ripped apart by the judge and the FL legislature would be laughed out of the courthouse. To dissolve a district, those who live in the district have to vote on it according to FL law. This did not occur. There's also the case, that as the Washington Post mentioned in a recent article, that RCID transfers its governing powers to LBV and Bay Lake, which are *actual* cities, and can't be repealed by any sort of legislature. This would virtually keep things status quo with Disney since the only major thing not inside of Bay Lake or Lake Buena Vista in WDW property is Wide World of Sports.

 

[JoeCamel]

It was a performative act that if taken to court would be ripped apart by the judge and the FL legislature would be laughed out of the courthouse. To dissolve a district, those who live in the district have to vote on it according to FL law. This did not occur. There's also the case, that as the Washington Post mentioned in a recent article, that RCID transfers its governing powers to LBV and Bay Lake, which are *actual* cities, and can't be repealed by any sort of legislature. This would virtually keep things status quo with Disney since the only major thing not inside of Bay Lake or Lake Buena Vista in WDW property is Wide World of Sports.

I know that and you know that but the law is on the books right now

 

[Nick]

I know that and you know that but the law is on the books right now

But it doesn't take effect until June 2023. So whether or not it has been signed, if there was a different governor next year, why could that person not overturn it as long as it is before June? It would basically just be the governor reversing their decision before it became official law.

 

[JoeCamel]

But it doesn't take effect until June 2023. So whether or not it has been signed, if there was a different governor next year, why could that person not overturn it as long as it is before June? It would basically just be the governor reversing their decision before it became official law.

I haven't read it but my understanding is it is law and the clock is ticking. Governor can't just say "nevermind" its the wrong branch of the tree

 

[Nick]

I haven't read it but my understanding is it is law and the clock is ticking. Governor can't just say "nevermind" its the wrong branch of the tree

Well the governor had the ultimate say, doesn't matter what the legislature did. He could've vetoed it if he wanted.

 

[SkiBum]

I haven't read it but my understanding is it is law and the clock is ticking. Governor can't just say "nevermind" its the wrong branch of the tree

Not being a political science major, couldn't a governor simply propose either an amendment to the passed law or introduce a new district (ex. Using that new district mentioned above) that is basically the same thing? I know that it's signed into law but I would think that some recourse might exist allowing them to move forward with Reedy Creek still in place in some form.

 

[Nick]

Not being a political science major, couldn't a governor simply propose either an amendment to the passed law or introduce a new district (ex. Using that new district mentioned above) that is basically the same thing? I know that it's signed into law but I would think that some recourse might exist allowing them to move forward with Reedy Creek still in place in some form.

I agree, but I too am not a POS major.

But again, I think this is something that will all be settled behind closed doors with no lawsuit ever being filed. The state nor does Disney want to have to go through all of that legal hassle. One way or another, this will sort of just "disappear", buried inside of another bill that can divert attention.

 

[JoeCamel]

Well the governor had the ultimate say, doesn't matter what the legislature did. He could've vetoed it if he wanted.

He could have but he didn't. It is law
He can't take baksies or anyone else, has to be the legislature

 

[SeventyOne]

Not being a political science major, couldn't a governor simply propose either an amendment to the passed law or introduce a new district (ex. Using that new district mentioned above) that is basically the same thing? I know that it's signed into law but I would think that some recourse might exist allowing them to move forward with Reedy Creek still in place in some form.

Potential new governor could propose anything. Still has to go through the Legislature. Two things to keep in mind:
(1) Realistically, the GOP will control both the FL House and Senate no matter who wins the Governor's race (and, if I were a betting man, that would be DeSantis, he has a huge campaign account and no real primary challenger, so this is probably hypothetical).
(2) That RCID package is a product of the 1960s, and even then it would've raised eyebrows if anyone paid attention to Orlando. Going to be hard for any politician to back "corporate welfare" like that in the modern era, especially now that WDW has a younger, hungrier sibling up the street now who can make campaign donations and file lawsuits. A new special district to replace RCID is likely, almost inevitable. But I'm sure it will be much more in line with the UOR special district rather than one with the right to issue municipal bonds, hire your own fire marshal and build a nuclear power plant.

 

[Nico]

Not sure where to put this. Cinemablend looks like the only one reporting a delay in transitioning Imagineers to FL.

Following Battle Over 'Don't Say Gay' Bill And Reedy Creek, Disney Just Made A Big Change To Its Future Plans In Florida

A major plan for the future of Disney's theme parks is has been significantly delayed.

www.cinemablend.com

 

[shiekra38]

Not sure where to put this. Cinemablend looks like the only one reporting a delay in transitioning Imagineers to FL.

Following Battle Over 'Don't Say Gay' Bill And Reedy Creek, Disney Just Made A Big Change To Its Future Plans In Florida

A major plan for the future of Disney's theme parks is has been significantly delayed.

www.cinemablend.com

That doesn't sound like Disney to extend a project passed its original scheduled timeline

 

[Mad Dog]

That doesn't sound like Disney to extend a project passed its original scheduled timeline

At least they're consistent. They're like the proverbial dinner guest that is 'usually' late, or a no show. .

 

[shiekra38]

At least they're consistent. They're like the proverbial dinner guest that is 'usually' late, or a no show. .

The guest that you invited out of guilt and hope they don't actually come

 

[Tobias]

Not sure where to put this. Cinemablend looks like the only one reporting a delay in transitioning Imagineers to FL.

Following Battle Over 'Don't Say Gay' Bill And Reedy Creek, Disney Just Made A Big Change To Its Future Plans In Florida

A major plan for the future of Disney's theme parks is has been significantly delayed.

www.cinemablend.com

Well that's not going to help with any kind of future development with the parks. WDI already took a hit with the planned move in general (aka "You're going to move here, or you're out."), so a delay for a project like this is bound to have it's negative effects.