Discussion in 'Disneyland Resort' started by k_peek_2000, Mar 15, 2017.
I'm sure they wont announce that the land will be packed as hell to everyone
Including Jar Jar Binks? Not all Star Wars IP is like the other.
Jar Jar needs an omnimover dark ride and you know it
Never said it was, but the most popular characters from Star Wars are not in the park at all it seems which I do find odd. Obviously the actors are older now I understand that, but still, not much really is all I'm saying. My entire point was that not all Star Wars IP is the same but going with an original land and the new (and controversial) trilogy I think was certainly something that could end up proving to be a mistake.
I dunno, Chewbacca is in Galaxy’s Edge and Darth Vadar is still meeting in Tomorrowland. You can also still buy plenty of ridiculous merchandise based on the prequels and original trilogy. If anything I’d say that the sequel trilogy depends too much on nostalgia for the originals.
This this this. The location in Star Wars really does not matter. They zoom around between multiple places, constantly. This land is quality, it feels star wars, it has references.. It is totally fine. Now missing the main ride, or complaints on the current ride are another discussion, but land itself is totally fine and quite amazing.
People are just going off because they need some way to justify how it didn't have a Wizarding World type opening... when the answer is very simple and staring them in the face.
No Jar Jar?
Personally I'm not buying the "location" of being any kind of significant factor to the current low attendance. Sure some may have preferred that it was themed on a previously seen location from the films, but I don't see any self professed SW fan saying "I'm not going because it's not themed to a specific location that I know from the movies".
There are so many other more obvious factors as to the current low turnout IMO:
Amount of people with APs who had been blocked out from initially attending
People's fears of overcrowding during the opening months so they did not plan a trip for it
The land is not finished (no RotR yet) so people holding off on planning a trip until it's there
Interest in SW waning in general due to the poor reception of the most recent films
I bet the above accounts for majority of why people aren't going in droves (yet). I'm a huge SW fan and I wasn't planning on going anytime soon because of #s 2 and 3 above. It's a bloody expensive trip for met to do either DL or WDW so while I'm super stoked to eventually go, I'm not shelling out huge money until everything is open and crowds have cooled.
Agreed on all points
Well evidently a lot of people feel like those characters are iconic enough to span generations.
Oh the iconic location talk is so tired.
What difference does it make at this point?
Also..I’d be willing to wager it would make little to no difference if this was based on the OG trilogy...if you remember we already had a ride based on the OG trilogy.
The real issue is they over anticipated the demand for a Star Wars land in Disney land without its local core audience, and opening it without the “star” attraction didn’t help things either.
If the land “fails” in Disney Hollywood studios then ill eat my words, but I have no concerns the reason Disney land is less crowded as expected has anything to do with the location chosen.
The millennium falcon alone should be bringing in the nostalgia hounds.
The rest of the land is themed very similar to other iconic locations in the trilogy. Batuu is NOT the problem.
I’d be more agreeable to “Star Wars fatigue” causing issues over their lack of Mos Eisley spaceport.
Mmmm it depends. Not a good chunk because I would say only the extended queue is not air conditioned. Like a good 30 or 40 min are air conditioned
They are freaking out. One of my theories is that yes, Disney truly killed Star Wars with The Last Jedi
While I agree that GE at Disney World will be fine (I mean, Toy Story Land is packed and it's half baked) it is not true that it is not a failure. All evidence shows that Disneyland is struggling because the parks are empty (empty meaning low crowd levels that we haven't seen since, well years ago). The land is pretty empty and I have visited in two separate days.
All evidence points to a failure. We talk of failure because of the freeze put on hiring new CMs and cancelling some entertainment. The parks are not busy at all. It's atypical for off season, more so for peak season. I have been there lately and I haven't seen the parks so empty in years. It's not a vocal minority pushing the narrative, it's the overwhelming evidence of panic at the Disneyland resort. Yes, awareness is high for GE, that's what publicity is for, but that doesn't mean people are lining up to go there. GE is pretty empty and it shouldn't be. Hell, they even made a "boarding group" system to avoid the land being packed, but it wasn't even used because people are not showing up. At least for Disneyland is shaping to be a huge misfire.
I think Disney World is safe from the problems at Disneyland because it's a park with different issues. I mean Toy Story Land is packed, and it's just an average expansion.
My two cents on the old trilogy, new land debate. I think that the problem with GE doesn't stem from the "It doesn't include the old trilogy" or the "it's a new land detached from all nostalgia". The problem stems from design. The land feels dead. Too much space with nothing to do or see. Yes, you enter the first time and you are impressed but once you go a second time, it's just a huge freaking space with one ride and a lot of shops. I think the land was designed with Disney's worst impulses in mind: cashgrab.
I am a huge Star Wars fan and I was excited on the idea that we would get a new place with a weak connection to the original trilogy. I am all in for originality and such, but the execution was poorly made. The land looks a bit generic and there is a connection to the old trilogy, Smuggler's Run, but the execution on that ride is average. My main problem is that there is no immersion as it was promised (like cast members roaming the land) because without that, the place is huge with nothing else to do. Think of it as a well themed Costco: lots of space to shop. Once you do all the premium experiences, there is nothing else to it. I hope Rise of the Resistance is indeed an amazing ride, but I don't think the land is a failure because it was a new planet with no connection to the original trilogy. It's just that it was poorly executed and it doesn't feel Star Wars. No one can really put a finger on why exactly the land feels off, but it's not exciting. Though having more characters roaming from the old trilogy wouldn't hurt
Your issues with the lands design or lack of life is not the reason Disneyland is suddenly less busy. And you know it.
You have your preferences, sure. You may have made different choices in the design, you may not have cut things, but not of that matters; trips are planned in advance, and the land debuting with some deciding it has no life or didn't have the right choices made did not filter down that quickly to the park going public who all declared to abandon Disneyland and not go on their planned trips.
The tourists will go to DHS as they always would, the locals will wait to be unblocked or tickets aren't at peak price.
Disney killed Star Wars with a mediocre movie, versus Lucas killing Star Wars with three below average prequels. Mmm.
Not only that, but isn’t ROTJ also considered mediocre to some fans? Ahhh, Star Wars fandom. Lovely.
I think some people just want to point to low crowds as a way to validate their opinion on things they didn't like about the franchise recently. I bet a lot of them complain then buy tickets and merch anyway. Now Disney thinking fans were dumb enough to pack the parks buying one day passes on top of AP prices is another thing.
Your average thousands of Disney families that don't care about SW have up and decided to not go to DL this Summer because Disney killed SW?
I swear I don't know how some of you muster the mental capacity to log on to this board.
Musical stage show.
They could even do a special show for the Holidays!
I will say this thread is lightweight compared WDWMagic DL forum where is just full on hysteria and hate on the land.
But like the land itself is really good. It just needs the other ride opened. I mean even if you aren't in a the planet they chose it's still legit a nice land. Maybe more of the super fan hate to validate opinion thing? I could see a lot of hate from a bunch of people who can't deal with being priced out in general, but that should be about pointing out corporate greed vs hating on the land itself.
Wow. You're right about that. I was surprised how strongly negative the responses have been on Magic. In retrospect, the posters on IU have been much more fair and even handed in their views on the quality of the land itself, regardless of the reasons being bandied about for the attendance issues.
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