The Mandalorian

[Nick]

Glad you like those books. But high literature they are not. I read a lot of them. But they’re nerd versions of trashy supermarket romance paperbacks. That’s fine! I also unabashedly love a lot of garbage content. 90% of Godzilla movies are stupid pro wrestling matches between dudes in rubber suits. But I love em!

And I never said people can’t enjoy these things. All I’ve ever put forth is my opinion.

And IMO, “fan service” for the sake of fan service, or in most of Mando’s cases fan service for the sake of backdoor pilots for other TV shows, is not better than “fine”. It’s lazy writing. If people like it, cool, but a lot of people are also fine with “it’s fine”. That’s not a bad thing. I’d just like to see more effort put into SW than “MCU in Space”.

It wasn’t fan service for the sake of fan service though. Yes, they did pull some back door pilot stuff this season, but it all tied into the actual story for the season, yes, even in more ways than just saying “you need to go to Tython”, as she got the Beskar spear for Mando.

I’d have a problem if they had all of these characters come in this show literally serving no purpose at all, but they all did serve a major purpose in the overall season story.

 

[JungleSkip]

It wasn’t fan service for the sake of fan service though. Yes, they did pull some back door pilot stuff this season, but it all tied into the actual story for the season, yes, even in more ways than just saying “you need to go to Tython”, as she got the Beskar spear for Mando.

I’d have a problem if they had all of these characters come in this show literally serving no purpose at all, but they all did serve a major purpose in the overall season story.

I’d argue there were any number of ways for things to progress. But the writers went with “Eh, let’s just have Ahsoka tell him” instead of coming up with something more original.

 

[Nick]

I’d argue there were any number of ways for things to progress. But the writers went with “Eh, let’s just have Ahsoka tell him” instead of coming up with something more original.

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Ok, but then he doesn’t have the Beskar Spear to fight Moff Gideon with. You can’t fight a dark saber without a Beskar weapon.

 

[JungleSkip]

Ok, but then he doesn’t have the Beskar Spear to fight Moff Gideon with. You can’t fight a dark saber without a Beskar weapon.

I mean, again, there are a million and a half ways to come up with him getting that too

 

[Spookies n' Stuff]

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You also have to think about it from the perspective of the general public. That scene was probably 5 minutes long and we only saw Luke's face for a minute or 2. The GP has no idea who Cal Kestis is. After a, entire season of bringing in characters that they don't know, bringing in Luke brought some familiarity. The character had to make a big impact in a small amount of screen time since it was what ended the season and really only Luke could do that.

But beyond that, it just makes complete sense that Luke would find Grogu.

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Very valid point, I think it's just my pet peeve of preferring lesser known characters showing up, does make a lot more sense than basically anyone else though

 

[Nick]

I mean, again, there are a million and a half ways to come up with him getting that too

I mean, yeah, but Beskar isn’t something that you can easily take and Ahsoka coming in made it more interesting than Mando just taking back Beskar. Again.

 

[JungleSkip]

I mean, yeah, but Beskar isn’t something that you can easily take and Ahsoka coming in made it more interesting than Mando just taking back Beskar. Again.

Agree to disagree. I felt like she felt like an NPC in a video game rather than a character. Anyone could have been in that role.

This show is best when it focuses on Mando and the Child. I just felt like it got away from that too much this year, to its detriment

 

[Jerroddragon]

While not the 100% the same Maul came back into Clone Wars and it worked...sure could another villain come in and done a similar arc sure but fans wanted more of the character and they did him right. Same with Boba and other's who came in this season. Ashoka wasn't like "omg you know who trained me Darth Vader and like remember the clone wars?"

Most characters come in and because Mando has been apart of a cult his entire life needs a little summary on these people....it works for both the audience and his character.

 

[Nick]

Agree to disagree. I felt like she felt like an NPC in a video game rather than a character. Anyone could have been in that role.

This show is best when it focuses on Mando and the Child. I just felt like it got away from that too much this year, to its detriment

I agree that the show’s cast grew a lot this season and Mando and the child became co-stars in a way with about 5-6 others depending on the episode. I didn’t necessarily mind that though so maybe that’s where we differ. I think Mando is actually at its best when he has a crew around him.

 

[Jerroddragon]

I agree that the show’s cast grew a lot this season and Mando and the child became co-stars in a way with about 5-6 others depending on the episode. I didn’t necessarily mind that though so maybe that’s where we differ. I think Mando is actually at its best when he has a crew around him.

Agreed.

As cool as Revan is, one of the reasons people love KOTR is the crew. I loved almost every one of the people on my crew in that game. I think same kinda goes for many characters Han is great but I like him when he has others to work off of even if he is a cool loner

 

[joelbryant11]

Anyone remember about how people complained about Peyton Reed getting to direct the finale before they even saw it? Those takes aged poorly. Reed has a soft emotional touch when it comes to family. Also I kind of think that his experience with using the technology that the end of the episode required was a big reason why they gave it to him.

 

[Nick]

John Campea brought up the comparison today and I think it's pretty apt - it's kinda like a kid playing with his Star Wars toys and just having his mind go wild with the potential of "Wouldn't it be cool if we did this" and then ACTUALLY doing it. I agree with that assessment and while some people (@JungleSkip ) I know don't like that approach, there's a ton that do like it and sure, that's using fan-service and relying on it hard, but they still need to tie everything up into a complete story, which Favreau seems to do well as a writer. He'll never win any awards for his writing, but it's not sub-par either. It's passable at it's worst and people are just absolutely loving the show. Being able to write a complete story from Episode one of a season to the finale that introduces so many new characters, brings back old ones and wraps it all up by the end neatly in only 8 episodes isn't easy.

I think LucasFilm is sort of just allowing Filoni and Favreau to give a bunch of fan-service right now to build some good will with the fans. So if you don't like that type of stuff, the Filoni-verse shows (all of the Mandalorian-adjacent shows and The Mandalorian itself) probably aren't going to be for you. Just the way I see it.

 

[belloq87]

As someone who was extraordinarily disappointed with how the Sequel Trilogy handled a certain character, I loved this episode. Yes, the CGI was kind of ghastly, but that’s really my only issue. For a few minutes, this show made me more delighted and excited than anything in nearly eight hours of the Sequel Trilogy did.

I do want clarification on what’s going on with season 3, though. Is there a season 3? Is what we saw teased at the end something entirely separate?

 

[Nick]

As someone who was extraordinarily disappointed with how the Sequel Trilogy handled a certain character, I loved this episode. Yes, the CGI was kind of ghastly, but that’s really my only issue. For a few minutes, this show made me more delighted and excited than anything in nearly eight hours of the Sequel Trilogy did.

I do want clarification on what’s going on with season 3, though. Is there a season 3? Is what we saw teased at the end something entirely separate?

They literally JUST announced Mando S3 is coming December 2021, so I can't think of anything besides this being a subtitle for the season. There's no way they'd do two shows at once.

 

[belloq87]

I think Kennedy technically said "the next chapter" (not specifically a third season of THE MANDALORIAN) was coming in 2021, after introducing the AHSOKA and RANGERS shows. The way she phrased it jumped out as being kind of vague to me at the time.

Does "the next chapter" mean the next SW show? As in THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT? Or does it literally mean the next chapter of THE MANDALORIAN?

Those could also be the same thing.

 

[Nick]

I think Kennedy technically said "the next chapter" (not specifically a third season of THE MANDALORIAN) was coming in 2021, after introducing the AHSOKA and RANGERS shows. The way she phrased it jumped out as being kind of vague to me at the time.

Does "the next chapter" mean the next SW show? As in THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT? Or does it literally mean the next chapter of THE MANDALORIAN?

Those could also be the same thing.

So what you're theorizing is S3E1 could just be titled, "The Book of Boba Fett". I've heard others thinking this as well and it's not impossible I guess, I just feel like LucasFilm needs to at the very least clarify if it's a new show or just The Mandalorian: Under New Management.

 

[belloq87]

I just feel like LucasFilm needs to at the very least clarify if it's a new show or just The Mandalorian: Under New Management.

I completely agree.

I do feel like there are definite dangling threads involving...

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the Darksaber...

... that would imply there's clearly the intention to continue Din Djarin's story. I'm just unclear if they're taking a year off from that.

 

[Jerroddragon]

John Campea brought up the comparison today and I think it's pretty apt - it's kinda like a kid playing with his Star Wars toys and just having his mind go wild with the potential of "Wouldn't it be cool if we did this" and then ACTUALLY doing it. I agree with that assessment and while some people (@JungleSkip ) I know don't like that approach, there's a ton that do like it and sure, that's using fan-service and relying on it hard, but they still need to tie everything up into a complete story, which Favreau seems to do well as a writer. He'll never win any awards for his writing, but it's good not sub-par either. It's passable at it's worst and people are just absolutely loving the show. Being able to write a complete story from Episode one of a season to the finale that introduces so many new characters, brings back old ones and wraps it all up by the end neatly in only 8 episodes isn't easy.

I think LucasFilm is sort of just allowing Filoni and Favreau to give a bunch of fan-service right now to build some good will with the fans. So if you don't like that type of stuff, the Filoni-verse shows (all of the Mandalorian-adjacent shows and The Mandalorian itself) probably aren't going to be for you. Just the way I see it.

I want to point out people Love Mando and Grogu....I'm not trying to call you out but its getting tired some to see everyone ignore these great characters because Boba and other showed up...sure we had some fun hype moments but I didn't tear up because of those moments it was the connection between these two characters.

Just I think some people are really ignore how Great the characters created for the show are as well

 

[Nick]

I want to point out people Love Mando and Grogu....I'm not trying to call you out but its getting tired some to see everyone ignore these great characters because Boba and other showed up...sure we had some fun hype moments but I didn't tear up because of those moments it was the connection between these two characters.

Just I think some people are really ignore how Great the characters created for the show are as well

I'm not saying they aren't great characters because I love them. I still feel they are the heart and soul of The Mandalorian far above all other characters that get brought in and I think the finale showed that. If Season 3 goes out and is a Boba Fett Season, I'll be as critical as anyone for sidelining Din.

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I can understand if Grogu gets sidelined a bit due to the events of the finale. I think that Season 3 SHOULD focus on Mandalore.

 

[Spookies n' Stuff]

I think Book of Boba Fett is most likely a miniseries that they want to run parallel to mando s3, or its a subtitle for season 3.
I really don't see them just turning the whole thing into The Boba Fett Show, unless theyre trying to shake things up for a season to avoid fatigue with the Din and Grogu stuff.