Universal Orlando Resort Expansion (Part 1)

[epcyclopedia]

I think you guys are viewing the problem wrong...

Why would you need to get from the parking lot of Part A to the parking lot of Part B?

The Epcot line attached to the TTC because it made logical sense with what existed... But ain't nobody going from Epcot to the TTC to visit the TTC.

They're going to need to attach the parks and resorts - not the parking.

 

[misterID]

I don't think buses will be the only transportation, but they will be an important part of the network. They'll never be able to rely on just one form of transport be it bus or monorail or anything else you can imagine. There will always be downtime for one or another and need backup.

I don't think anyone said busses won't be utilized.

 

[epcyclopedia]

Imagine being a Portofino or Hard Rock guest and having to go to city walk via boat then walk through it back to the parking garage hub in order to get on a train/whatever to get to the 3rd park.

I can't see them desinging it that way.

 

[WAJAS]

I think you guys are viewing the problem wrong...

Why would you need to get from the parking lot of Part A to the parking lot of Part B?

The Epcot line attached to the TTC because it made logical sense with what existed... But ain't nobody going from Epcot to the TTC to visit the TTC.

They're going to need to attach the parks and resorts - not the parking.

I think it definitely will directly connect to most if not all of the resorts, but the entrance to the parks and CityWalk will likely be from the transport hub. It makes sense so they don't need an additional entrance with additional security somewhere else.

 

[epcyclopedia]

Why? Why not where the boat hub currently is?

 

[epcyclopedia]

And the existing garages cannot support a 3rd park. So it will have its own parking. So guests who drive will drive to A or B and then need to transit. There's no reason to visit the parking lot.

 

[s8film40]

My reasoning for it is that you can have multiple trains on the same track without one going back and forth on the same bit of track. It should dramatically increase capacity with a twin track system.

You don't need a loop to do that, trains can cycle in on one side and out on the other.

 

[WAJAS]

Why? Why not where the boat hub currently is?

For one it would destroy the current views across the pond/canal.

And the existing garages cannot support a 3rd park. So it will have its own parking. So guests who drive will drive to A or B and then need to transit. There's no reason to visit the parking lot.

I don't think you should think of the transport hub as the parking garage. Those are two separate areas. Think of it more as just an entrance into CityWalk and in turn both parks.
I wouldn't mind taking that short walk through CityWalk to reach one of the parks.

 

[Mad Dog]

And the existing garages cannot support a 3rd park. So it will have its own parking. So guests who drive will drive to A or B and then need to transit. There's no reason to visit the parking lot.

Yeah, basically it's just on site hotel guests that will need to be transported. And park hoppers. The locals, off site hotel guests, & Disney one dayers leaving property, will park at the new park's garage.

 

[Scott W.]

And the existing garages cannot support a 3rd park. So it will have its own parking. So guests who drive will drive to A or B and then need to transit. There's no reason to visit the parking lot.

That's why I suggested making the monorail station next to the RP car park as it has easy access to the river so guests staying at the other hotels can hop on a boat and then straight to the monorail but the hub might be an easier approach.

Looking a bit more into it, there is a flat surface above the hub which I didn't know existed.

You're right though. The monorail is mainly going to be for hotel guests and the occasional park guest who will want to visit the current resort and the new one in a single day. For anybody spending a day at one park, they'll head to that resorts car park unless they're staying on site.

If a monorail is built, I imagine the new resort will be built with that in mind. The current CityWalk doesn't have the luxury of space nor did they have the foresight 20 years ago when designing it for such a thing (Although thinking about it, I'm sure the newly purchased land was in the plans as I'm sure that's where they planned on putting golf courses).

 

[epcyclopedia]

Why not load/unload on the upper level of Citywalk itself for that matter? Heck, it would get foot traffic up there.

 

[Scott W.]

You don't need a loop to do that, trains can cycle in on one side and out on the other.

I think I'm being stupid but if it a train goes in one side and out the other, how will it get to the other side of the track?

 

[epcyclopedia]

I think I'm being stupid but if it a train goes in one side and out the other, how will it get to the other side of the track?

Loop back around. It just doesn't have to circle that little hub.

 

[Scott W.]

You don't need a loop to do that, trains can cycle in on one side and out on the other.

Loop back around. It just doesn't have to circle that little hub.

This is just confusing things.

Why would you not have it loop around the hub? It allows for a station on the loop directly into the hub. Given that the hub is already there, it would be more aesthetically pleasing compared to just having the track loop around over some bit of land.

 

[epcyclopedia]

Because the hub isn't that big?

 

[JungleSkip]

Because the hub isn't that big?

The hub is also currently a cluster f*** every single morning due to the heightened "security" measures. No one at the existing resort will want to deal with that BS to get to a monorail.

 

[Scott W.]

Because the hub isn't that big?

It's about 65m in diameter. The loop in EPCOT is about 300m in diameter which is obviously a huge difference but I think that's more for comfort than what is physically possible so you're not pushed against the wall when travelling at speed. Given the station would be at the hub, the trains would be moving very slowly.

Give me 5mins and I'll see what I can do with your idea for the station being at the back of CityWalk.

 

[WAJAS]

Why not load/unload on the upper level of Citywalk itself for that matter? Heck, it would get foot traffic up there.

That actually not a bad idea. The only issue I can see occurring is that the second level is frequently fenced off for special events. By putting the station up there it will be more difficult to have these and they get lots o money from them.

 

[UK-Trigg]

Quite a bit of space behind the current parking structures which could be utilised, should be fairly easy to link into the hub from a station there too.
Google Maps

 

[s8film40]

I think I'm being stupid but if it a train goes in one side and out the other, how will it get to the other side of the track?

Switches. Look at the video I posted of the Vegas monorail. The train goes in one side and out the other. That system operates as a loop but without the actual loop.