Yes.Odd question, but did they thought of wanting the show to be worked on for a 2019 debut, but because of Irma, was bumped up to 2018 and hence, we see what is happening now?
Yes.Odd question, but did they thought of wanting the show to be worked on for a 2019 debut, but because of Irma, was bumped up to 2018 and hence, we see what is happening now?
Odd question, but did they thought of wanting the show to be worked on for a 2019 debut, but because of Irma, was bumped up to 2018 and hence, we see what is happening now?
I don't think so. This was fast tracked way before folks started riding F&F.I also wonder if the poor reception to F&F is also a factor, albeit a small one.
I don't think so. This was fast tracked way before folks started riding F&F.
I think it’s because it took so long for visible work to really beginI don’t know why, I feel as if this project has been lightning fast over the past few months. I can’t believe the announcement was that far back.
I think it’s because it took so long for visible work to really begin
day old voodoo doughnuts substituted for the ice creamCan we count on Universal having a dessert party?
I'm so excited to pay $89.99 for ice cream...
All I’m saying is that an acknowledgement should be made. Disney is a more sophisticated company, and they do things that we take for granted. Some form of recognition should be made.
This was awe inspiring. Just wow.:exclap:I am going to step in here right here as I have heard this argument for years and I have the first hand personal experience to say with authority that that is absolutely not true. I am a 35 year veteran of the theme park industry. My wife and I have both spent our careers at both Imagineering and Universal and now our kids are following in our footsteps, working in the industry as well. I can tell you that Universal has every bit the talent and design consideration that Disney has, the budget and the timetables are the ONLY difference. It's NOT about "sophistication". As that would imply that the only thing that leads to sophistication is the level of budget. If you think down that route, you're doing a disservice to all of the creative people who make amazing and incredible things with nothing but good ideas and shoestring budgets. Those people make real magic and THOSE people are the ones who deserve our recognition. Not the other way around. Anything can appear impressive with a ton of money thrown at it, but good ideas stand on their own regardless of equipment or money.
Let's not oversimplify what you are saying. Your original argument was that Disney is better because they use top-shelf equipment and spend money to hide it all from guests.
Yes, on that last point you are right. Disney spends an extraordinary amount on hiding projectors, speakers, and equipment. Sometimes this could be tens of millions to do so. We all know that this incrementally makes the park overall look better. But let's not confuse things here.. the quality of attraction itself is not impacted at all.. especially if it's a show. The key here is that Universal and Disney budget their attractions differently. While Disney sees capital improvements as a net ROI within the resort as a whole, Universal sees each and every attraction as a standalone entity, and each must be successful on its own to be worth it. Disney owns all of their own IPs and properties while Universal licenses almost everything. By doing that, budgets have to be smaller as the risk is much higher. So it is then up to creative to make the best of a smaller budget. And in many cases, David can indeed defeat Goliath when you creatively use the budget for things that make the core experience better.
Now, onto this show, you referenced the equipment Universal is installing - Clay Paky Mythos 2, Supersharpy 2, Robe BMFL ... I'll add in here that it looks like each are in a tempest enclosure. Each one of those lights, if I remember correctly, are all the same exact units used in BOTH World of Color and Fantasmic.
The projectors look like they're the latest laser projectors from either Cristie or Barco. And THOSE are in tempest enclosures as well. Again, same as the latest Disney is using at Rivers of Light and Happily Ever After. The fountains, fireworks, all of the elements all come from the latest and best technology and equipment available.
From a quality of equipment standpoint, they are using the latest and best stuff. So why not give them credit for that? Instead we're going to attack them because you can see it more than at Disney parks?
I'll go on to say that every part of this show has been done right, by teams of people who are dedicated and who care about making it good. I know many of the Thinkwell folk as well and used to work with many of them when I lived in CA - some of them former Imagineers and Universal people. Many of them are superfans and nerds like us. The Universal Entertainment people working on this are top notch as well. You're to get a good show here. This team is the very best.
So yes, poles may be visible, projectors may not have windows, equipment may be seen. But at MOST you can knock them on their aesthetic considerations. To call this "less sophisticated" is just not true and slanderous to the many hard-working people who are dedicated to making this show new and good.
I can tell you that Universal has every bit the talent and design consideration that Disney has, the budget and the timetables are the ONLY difference. It's NOT about "sophistication". As that would imply that the only thing that leads to sophistication is the level of budget. If you think down that route, you're doing a disservice to all of the creative people who make amazing and incredible things with nothing but good ideas and shoestring budgets.
Those people make real magic and THOSE people are the ones who deserve our recognition. Not the other way around. Anything can appear impressive with a ton of money thrown at it, but good ideas stand on their own regardless of equipment or money.
Let's not oversimplify what you are saying. Your original argument was that Disney is better because they use top-shelf equipment and spend money to hide it all from guests.
Yes, on that last point you are right. Disney spends an extraordinary amount on hiding projectors, speakers, and equipment. Sometimes this could be tens of millions to do so. We all know that this incrementally makes the park overall look better. But let's not confuse things here.. the quality of attraction itself is not impacted at all.. especially if it's a show.
By doing that, budgets have to be smaller as the risk is much higher. So it is then up to creative to make the best of a smaller budget. And in many cases, David can indeed defeat Goliath when you creatively use the budget for things that make the core experience better.
Each one of those lights, if I remember correctly, are all the same exact units used in BOTH World of Color and Fantasmic.
From a quality of equipment standpoint, they are using the latest and best stuff. So why not give them credit for that? Instead we're going to attack them because you can see it more than at Disney parks?
I'll go on to say that every part of this show has been done right, by teams of people who are dedicated and who care about making it good. I know many of the Thinkwell folk as well and used to work with many of them when I lived in CA - some of them former Imagineers and Universal people. Many of them are superfans and nerds like us. The Universal Entertainment people working on this are top notch as well. You're to get a good show here. This team is the very best.
So yes, poles may be visible, projectors may not have windows, equipment may be seen. But at MOST you can knock them on their aesthetic considerations. To call this "less sophisticated" is just not true and slanderous to the many hard-working people who are dedicated to making this show new and good.
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:I am going to step in here right here as I have heard this argument for years and I have the first hand personal experience to say with authority that that is absolutely not true. I am a 35 year veteran of the theme park industry. My wife and I have both spent our careers at both Imagineering and Universal and now our kids are following in our footsteps, working in the industry as well. I can tell you that Universal has every bit the talent and design consideration that Disney has, the budget and the timetables are the ONLY difference. It's NOT about "sophistication". As that would imply that the only thing that leads to sophistication is the level of budget. If you think down that route, you're doing a disservice to all of the creative people who make amazing and incredible things with nothing but good ideas and shoestring budgets. Those people make real magic and THOSE people are the ones who deserve our recognition. Not the other way around. Anything can appear impressive with a ton of money thrown at it, but good ideas stand on their own regardless of equipment or money.
Let's not oversimplify what you are saying. Your original argument was that Disney is better because they use top-shelf equipment and spend money to hide it all from guests.
Yes, on that last point you are right. Disney spends an extraordinary amount on hiding projectors, speakers, and equipment. Sometimes this could be tens of millions to do so. We all know that this incrementally makes the park overall look better. But let's not confuse things here.. the quality of attraction itself is not impacted at all.. especially if it's a show. The key here is that Universal and Disney budget their attractions differently. While Disney sees capital improvements as a net ROI within the resort as a whole, Universal sees each and every attraction as a standalone entity, and each must be successful on its own to be worth it. Disney owns all of their own IPs and properties while Universal licenses almost everything. By doing that, budgets have to be smaller as the risk is much higher. So it is then up to creative to make the best of a smaller budget. And in many cases, David can indeed defeat Goliath when you creatively use the budget for things that make the core experience better.
Now, onto this show, you referenced the equipment Universal is installing - Clay Paky Mythos 2, Supersharpy 2, Robe BMFL ... I'll add in here that it looks like each are in a tempest enclosure. Each one of those lights, if I remember correctly, are all the same exact units used in BOTH World of Color and Fantasmic.
The projectors look like they're the latest laser projectors from either Cristie or Barco. And THOSE are in tempest enclosures as well. Again, same as the latest Disney is using at Rivers of Light and Happily Ever After. The fountains, fireworks, all of the elements all come from the latest and best technology and equipment available.
From a quality of equipment standpoint, they are using the latest and best stuff. So why not give them credit for that? Instead we're going to attack them because you can see it more than at Disney parks?
I'll go on to say that every part of this show has been done right, by teams of people who are dedicated and who care about making it good. I know many of the Thinkwell folk as well and used to work with many of them when I lived in CA - some of them former Imagineers and Universal people. Many of them are superfans and nerds like us. The Universal Entertainment people working on this are top notch as well. You're to get a good show here. This team is the very best.
So yes, poles may be visible, projectors may not have windows, equipment may be seen. But at MOST you can knock them on their aesthetic considerations. To call this "less sophisticated" is just not true and slanderous to the many hard-working people who are dedicated to making this show new and good.
I am going to step in here right here as I have heard this argument for years and I have the first hand personal experience to say with authority that that is absolutely not true. I am a 35 year veteran of the theme park industry. My wife and I have both spent our careers at both Imagineering and Universal and now our kids are following in our footsteps, working in the industry as well. I can tell you that Universal has every bit the talent and design consideration that Disney has, the budget and the timetables are the ONLY difference. It's NOT about "sophistication". As that would imply that the only thing that leads to sophistication is the level of budget. If you think down that route, you're doing a disservice to all of the creative people who make amazing and incredible things with nothing but good ideas and shoestring budgets. Those people make real magic and THOSE people are the ones who deserve our recognition. Not the other way around. Anything can appear impressive with a ton of money thrown at it, but good ideas stand on their own regardless of equipment or money.
Let's not oversimplify what you are saying. Your original argument was that Disney is better because they use top-shelf equipment and spend money to hide it all from guests.
Yes, on that last point you are right. Disney spends an extraordinary amount on hiding projectors, speakers, and equipment. Sometimes this could be tens of millions to do so. We all know that this incrementally makes the park overall look better. But let's not confuse things here.. the quality of attraction itself is not impacted at all.. especially if it's a show. The key here is that Universal and Disney budget their attractions differently. While Disney sees capital improvements as a net ROI within the resort as a whole, Universal sees each and every attraction as a standalone entity, and each must be successful on its own to be worth it. Disney owns all of their own IPs and properties while Universal licenses almost everything. By doing that, budgets have to be smaller as the risk is much higher. So it is then up to creative to make the best of a smaller budget. And in many cases, David can indeed defeat Goliath when you creatively use the budget for things that make the core experience better.
Now, onto this show, you referenced the equipment Universal is installing - Clay Paky Mythos 2, Supersharpy 2, Robe BMFL ... I'll add in here that it looks like each are in a tempest enclosure. Each one of those lights, if I remember correctly, are all the same exact units used in BOTH World of Color and Fantasmic.
The projectors look like they're the latest laser projectors from either Cristie or Barco. And THOSE are in tempest enclosures as well. Again, same as the latest Disney is using at Rivers of Light and Happily Ever After. The fountains, fireworks, all of the elements all come from the latest and best technology and equipment available.
From a quality of equipment standpoint, they are using the latest and best stuff. So why not give them credit for that? Instead we're going to attack them because you can see it more than at Disney parks?
I'll go on to say that every part of this show has been done right, by teams of people who are dedicated and who care about making it good. I know many of the Thinkwell folk as well and used to work with many of them when I lived in CA - some of them former Imagineers and Universal people. Many of them are superfans and nerds like us. The Universal Entertainment people working on this are top notch as well. You're to get a good show here. This team is the very best.
So yes, poles may be visible, projectors may not have windows, equipment may be seen. But at MOST you can knock them on their aesthetic considerations. To call this "less sophisticated" is just not true and slanderous to the many hard-working people who are dedicated to making this show new and good.
The projectors look like they're the latest laser projectors from either Cristie or Barco. And THOSE are in tempest enclosures as well. Again, same as the latest Disney is using at Rivers of Light and Happily Ever After. The fountains, fireworks, all of the elements all come from the latest and best technology and equipment available.
I am going to step in here right here as I have heard this argument for years and I have the first hand personal experience to say with authority that that is absolutely not true. I am a 35 year veteran of the theme park industry. My wife and I have both spent our careers at both Imagineering and Universal and now our kids are following in our footsteps, working in the industry as well. I can tell you that Universal has every bit the talent and design consideration that Disney has, the budget and the timetables are the ONLY difference. It's NOT about "sophistication". As that would imply that the only thing that leads to sophistication is the level of budget. If you think down that route, you're doing a disservice to all of the creative people who make amazing and incredible things with nothing but good ideas and shoestring budgets. Those people make real magic and THOSE people are the ones who deserve our recognition. Not the other way around. Anything can appear impressive with a ton of money thrown at it, but good ideas stand on their own regardless of equipment or money.
Let's not oversimplify what you are saying. Your original argument was that Disney is better because they use top-shelf equipment and spend money to hide it all from guests.
Yes, on that last point you are right. Disney spends an extraordinary amount on hiding projectors, speakers, and equipment. Sometimes this could be tens of millions to do so. We all know that this incrementally makes the park overall look better. But let's not confuse things here.. the quality of attraction itself is not impacted at all.. especially if it's a show. The key here is that Universal and Disney budget their attractions differently. While Disney sees capital improvements as a net ROI within the resort as a whole, Universal sees each and every attraction as a standalone entity, and each must be successful on its own to be worth it. Disney owns all of their own IPs and properties while Universal licenses almost everything. By doing that, budgets have to be smaller as the risk is much higher. So it is then up to creative to make the best of a smaller budget. And in many cases, David can indeed defeat Goliath when you creatively use the budget for things that make the core experience better.
Now, onto this show, you referenced the equipment Universal is installing - Clay Paky Mythos 2, Supersharpy 2, Robe BMFL ... I'll add in here that it looks like each are in a tempest enclosure. Each one of those lights, if I remember correctly, are all the same exact units used in BOTH World of Color and Fantasmic.
The projectors look like they're the latest laser projectors from either Cristie or Barco. And THOSE are in tempest enclosures as well. Again, same as the latest Disney is using at Rivers of Light and Happily Ever After. The fountains, fireworks, all of the elements all come from the latest and best technology and equipment available.
From a quality of equipment standpoint, they are using the latest and best stuff. So why not give them credit for that? Instead we're going to attack them because you can see it more than at Disney parks?
I'll go on to say that every part of this show has been done right, by teams of people who are dedicated and who care about making it good. I know many of the Thinkwell folk as well and used to work with many of them when I lived in CA - some of them former Imagineers and Universal people. Many of them are superfans and nerds like us. The Universal Entertainment people working on this are top notch as well. You're to get a good show here. This team is the very best.
So yes, poles may be visible, projectors may not have windows, equipment may be seen. But at MOST you can knock them on their aesthetic considerations. To call this "less sophisticated" is just not true and slanderous to the many hard-working people who are dedicated to making this show new and good.
Beat me to it.
The second photo, is that box next to the lighting new? I think it's new, and if it's new, they looks actually great.
From Bio,
As much as I admire the creatives at Universal, you have to admit that they have created some unworthy stinker night shows in the past. They aren’t without prior faults on a number of fronts from entertainment to attractions.