Parks spend money on renovations and additions (Surprise!) Sometimes they go under, sometimes they spend wisely, and other times they go over...
Does it matter? Do you care?
Does it matter? Do you care?
Not to veer this thing too off topic- but why do you think they “overspend”?
It’s not like the federal government with their beurocratic nightmare of an ordering and purchasing system. Anyone who has ever dealt with government contracts knows the painstakingly frustrating mess that it is. After dealing with a Disney contract, Disney is nowhere near that level.
So why is it? Could it be that they are buying better quality supplies or going with more tenured contractors? Not saying that’s necessarily a good thing or not, just trying to find out where this “missing money” is going, if it in fact is being “wasted” as many seem to claim.
The budget discussion is so ridiculous. It really matters for nothing.
And again. Every budget that gets thrown around isn’t even actually a confirmed fact. I just see them as conjecture. It doesn’t matter.
Don't you think the overall budget affects ticket, food, merch, and hotel prices?
Apple and Oranges and reaching a little bit I understand your point. :bored:
Yes. Going overbudget usually means you'll start penny pinching elsewhere to make up for it.
I thought MM+ was a rideMM+ is one of the best investments Disney ever made for themselves. They used all the data to cut staffing to just adequate, raise prices on everything, and create new upcharges. That's gotta be billions in extra money squeezed from guests.
Heck, I thought "My Magic+" was a new HHN Penn & Teller House.I thought MM+ was a ride
Probably would go over budgetHeck, I thought "My Magic+" was a new HHN Penn & Teller House.
Not to veer this thing too off topic- but why do you think they “overspend”?
It’s not like the federal government with their beurocratic nightmare of an ordering and purchasing system. Anyone who has ever dealt with government contracts knows the painstakingly frustrating mess that it is. After dealing with a Disney contract, Disney is nowhere near that level.
So why is it? Could it be that they are buying better quality supplies or going with more tenured contractors? Not saying that’s necessarily a good thing or not, just trying to find out where this “missing money” is going, if it in fact is being “wasted” as many seem to claim.
Because Disney spending absurd amounts on rides they phone in, like the rumored $300MM+ for Tron, they are really misspending. It's a basic coaster in a spare building with a large canopy
That misspending causes you to get one ride instead of two. Heck Spider-man was rumored at $200MM when it was built, and it was a decade before it's time.
Disney needs lots of new rides, not insanely overpriced kid coasters like Dwarf Hill.
Spare building? Did they get it out of a building sized trash can or something?Because Disney spending absurd amounts on rides they phone in, like the rumored $300MM+ for Tron, they are really misspending. It's a basic coaster in a spare building with a large canopy
Well, it didn't come out of nowhere. It came from the most consistently reliable/accurate WDW insider that it seems is out there. And it's more than $300M.Firstly, the $300m number came out of nowhere, but even if we take that as gospel, why $300m? Where is it going? That’s the question.
I tend to think you're right as that's the only way other park improvements tend to happen is by lumping them into budgets for larger attractions. But you're also right, we don't know.So the summary of this thread is:
Disney spends more than other parks. Which we all knew based on the rumored numbers.
However; No one knows why.
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You’d think by knowing what all budgets are that someone would have at least an inkling of an idea why the spend is more than comparable builds like Uni has done.
We don’t even have any guesses outside of the possibility that WDI execs make more than UC execs. I suppose an argument could’ve been made that WDI did most stuff in house, but the big round of layoffs a few years back which created more of a reliance on contractors brought them more in line with UC.
A thought or guess I’ve always had is that TWDC Lumps in more projects with their one big project. An example would be that I’ve always thought they lumped Tiffins, walkway expansions, Tree of Life nighttime, etc in with Pandora’s budget. I’m not saying that happened, but maybe that’s one possibility as to why Disney budgets appear more inflated.
I refuse to believe Disney just pays more for concrete or a ladder than universal.
That’s insane.
Any other guesses? @Marni1971 - feel free to hop in here, I’d love to hear your thoughts on the matter.
I always thought Disney did a lot more upfront and inhouse A&D work...Where as Universal collaborates with outside companies way more often that carry the A&D costsSo the summary of this thread is:
Disney spends more than other parks. Which we all knew based on the rumored numbers.
However; No one knows why.
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You’d think by knowing what all budgets are that someone would have at least an inkling of an idea why the spend is more than comparable builds like Uni has done.
We don’t even have any guesses outside of the possibility that WDI execs make more than UC execs. I suppose an argument could’ve been made that WDI did most stuff in house, but the big round of layoffs a few years back which created more of a reliance on contractors brought them more in line with UC.
A thought or guess I’ve always had is that TWDC Lumps in more projects with their one big project. An example would be that I’ve always thought they lumped Tiffins, walkway expansions, Tree of Life nighttime, etc in with Pandora’s budget. I’m not saying that happened, but maybe that’s one possibility as to why Disney budgets appear more inflated.
I refuse to believe Disney just pays more for concrete or a ladder than universal.
That’s insane.
Any other guesses? @Marni1971 - feel free to hop in here, I’d love to hear your thoughts on the matter.
Disney has SO MUCH infrastructure. They built their own very large, very spread-out city. They have ~30 hotels. Sprawl is crazy expensive.I think one factor is that Disney physically has a lot more infrastructure to support and this need to spend money on. Universal with their resort setup being centralized with everything either around the north or south properties is going to have a potentially significant operational cost advantage over Disney.