The Old HHN 30 Speculation Thread (2020)

[ModDesigner23]

Just picking this up from yesterday:

Nope. Not really. Ignoring securing rights, Scream and Conjuring are pretty much it. The IT ship has passed to really capitalize on it, but still strong enough. Everything else is fine but not Walking Dead/ST/Big 3 Slashers "huge".

The ship has passed for IT but it’s definitely still the top tier IP. It’s bigger than Scream, Hellraiser, and conjuring IMO.

 

[HHN Yeti Lover]

Just picking this up from yesterday:

Nope. Not really. Ignoring securing rights, Scream and Conjuring are pretty much it. The IT ship has passed to really capitalize on it, but still strong enough. Everything else is fine but not Walking Dead/ST/Big 3 Slashers "huge".

Me knowing IT will never happen but still being hopelessly optimistic

 

[Legacy]

The ship has passed for IT but it’s definitely still the top tier IP. It’s bigger than Scream, Hellraiser, and conjuring IMO.

I’d rank them Conjuring, IT, Scream, Hellraiser. Problem is, every year that passes slides IT down the scale. Next year, I’d put it below Scream. Two years after that, I’d put it below Hellraiser.

 

[JungleSkip]

I’d rank them Conjuring, IT, Scream, Hellraiser. Problem is, every year that passes slides IT down the scale. Next year, I’d put it below Scream. Two years after that, I’d put it below Hellraiser.

Ooof. I do not agree with that at all. IT is always going to be higher than Hellraiser, at the very least. Pennywise is just way more popular of a character than Pinhead. Especially to the GP.

 

[BoSoxFan1022]

I would put it at the front of that list tbh, I don’t know that Conjuring is that well known among non-horror fans, while I think It is

 

[ModDesigner23]

I’d rank them Conjuring, IT, Scream, Hellraiser. Problem is, every year that passes slides IT down the scale. Next year, I’d put it below Scream. Two years after that, I’d put it below Hellraiser.

I have to be honest, I completely disagree with you on that. Two years from now it would still be on top of Scream. With conjuring? I don’t know since there’s a new one coming out this year.( If it doesn’t get pushed back till next year).

 

[randomguesser]

Conjuring itself is popular but it’s the spinoff characters that put it above IT. For every person that knows Pennywise, they likely also know Annabelle and the Nun. Maybe even Bathsheba, Crooked Man, & Bill Wilkins if they’re into the main franchise.

Scream is a weird one since it is less popular than IT but the Ghostface mask is just so iconic.

 

[ConnerW82]

In my opinion, Pennywise probably ends up going down as the most iconic horror villain of the 2010s, or at the VERY least, top 3. I think he has a lot of staying power and will be a pull no matter what year they do it. I see it being like how Freddy, for example, is still an iconic horror character to this day despite being brought to life in the 80s.
Time may run out to have IT anchor the event by itself, but it's going to be a relevant enough property to bring any year they can do it.

 

[DannyPowers]

Ooof. I do not agree with that at all. IT is always going to be higher than Hellraiser, at the very least. Pennywise is just way more popular of a character than Pinhead. Especially to the GP.

Until the new Hellraiser movie comes out, of course. It'll get a good bump over IT that year.

 

[JungleSkip]

Until the new Hellraiser movie comes out, of course. It'll get a good bump over IT that year.

I'd still bet that Pennywise would be a bigger draw, unless the Hellraiser movie made a lot of money, which I do not see happening.

 

[Clive]

I'd still bet that Pennywise would be a bigger draw, unless the Hellraiser movie made a lot of money, which I do not see happening.

This is a silly debate.

Hellraiser draws more in the horror community.
Pennywise draws more from the general public/horror-adjacent/Hot Topic crowd.

Which pie is bigger?

 

[ModDesigner23]

Conjuring itself is popular but it’s the spinoff characters that put it above IT. For every person that knows Pennywise, they likely also know Annabelle and the Nun. Maybe even Bathsheba, Crooked Man, & Bill Wilkins if they’re into the main franchise.

Scream is a weird one since it is less popular than IT but the Ghostface mask is just so iconic.

The spinoffs don’t put it on top of IT. There’s a reason why IT is still the highest grossing horror film. Again, Conjuring is still VERY popular to horror fans and the GP but Pennywise is more popular. I mean still till this day I see memes of Pennywise on social media. Yes the GP are aware of Annabelle and the nun but Pennywise still tops it by a mile.

 

[ModDesigner23]

This is a silly debate.

Hellraiser draws more in the horror community.
Pennywise draws more from the general public/horror-adjacent/Hot Topic crowd.

Which pie is bigger?

Bingo

 

[DannyPowers]

Pennywise draws more from the general public/horror-adjacent/Hot Topic crowd

Not that I disagree...but would have said that before September 2017?

 

[Clive]

Not that I disagree...but would have said that before September 2017?

Yes. There was enthusiasm for IT in the horror community, but it's also a niche counterculture that tends to grow wary of mainstream adoption. (No one wants to hear this, but here ya go.) There was plenty of resistance to "New Pennywise" versus Tim Curry, and the film was driven to success thanks to general public fervor, not the horror community backing the thing.

 

[JungleSkip]

Not that I disagree...but would have said that before September 2017?

Yes. IT is a cultural institution whether it's from the book or the Tim Curry version of the story

 

[randomguesser]

I think we can all agree though WB has the 2 biggest recent horror IPs.

Wish Miramax didn’t have a cut of the new Halloween franchise since that’d be a great house and a huge IP.

 

[DannyPowers]

There was plenty of resistance to "New Pennywise" versus Tim Curry, and the film was driven to success thanks to general public fervor, not the horror community backing the thing.

My point being, if the GP latches onto a redesign/actor's take of Pinhead (or whatever cenobites they end up using) from the re-boot; we could easily have another icon near the new Pennywise in popularity.

Skip does also have a point that IT was starting from a little better position, just because of the King association.

 

[Jeepers Reaper]

Nothing to add to the last two pages of this, other than a thanks for some good horror chat. I use this forum as a genuine getaway from the real life just now (wife and mother both front line health workers) and its good to read something aside from the C word... :look:

That being said, Pennywise for the win!

 

[TheCodeMan95]

Just gonna throw my opinion out here - IT will draw in both general public and horror fans. Maybe this is anecdotal but most horror fans I know have adopted "new Pennywise" as the better version of the character and "new IT" as the better version of the story.

While the horror community likes to try to separate itself from the "general public", their opinions overlap a lot more than they'd like to admit lol