Avengers Campus (DCA)

[Jerroddragon]

I could be totally wrong here, but I don't think you could fit a worthy family coaster in that spot. If DCA got a family coaster, it would probably have to be in one of the DL Forward spots.

Someone on WDWMagic pitched that if the Hyperion were to stay, an idea would be to put a scaled up version of the story time with Deadpool in the venue.

Yeah, I think this would be best

Make it a fun show where randoms characters can come in, add some music and dancing and think even if you can't fill up the whole 3 levels you can fill up the first 2 levels, I would assume fairly easily

The show is already somewhat random and based on the crowds reactions, all they would need to do is maybe every year update the storys he is reading or do like holiday versions to spice it up and I think would make most people happy

 

[PerceptiveCoot]

My controversial idea for the Broadway style theater is to put a Broadway style theater show in there.

EDIT: Hercules. Just do Hercules. Please.

 

[Michael S]

My controversial idea for the Broadway style theater is to put a Broadway style theater show in there.

EDIT: Hercules. Just do Hercules. Please.

Just my two cents:

The current Parks division doesn’t have the same love for big stage shows the way management of old, did. And the prime location of the Hyperion makes me that they are ready to bulldoze it for another attraction.

I’d love to be wrong, but it just doesn’t seem to be Disney Parks’ thing anymore, unfortunately

 

[TheUniC6]

Just my two cents:

The current Parks division doesn’t have the same love for big stage shows the way management of old, did. And the prime location of the Hyperion makes me that they are ready to bulldoze it for another attraction.

I’d love to be wrong, but it just doesn’t seem to be Disney Parks’ thing anymore, unfortunately

If they demo the Hyperion for Avengers Campus expansion, I wonder what heroes would get the next attraction. Perhaps something with the X-Men?

 

[Jake S]

It is absolutely wild that fewer than 20 years ago the Aladdin show was the best thing DCA had going (okay, plus the alcohol) and now the company is so gun shy about spending the money on such an experience.

 

[Mad Dog]

It is absolutely wild that fewer than 20 years ago the Aladdin show was the best thing DCA had going (okay, plus the alcohol) and now the company is so gun shy about spending the money on such an experience.

Seems like a general trend at both Disney and Universal to lessen the amount of live entertainment/shows and street actors. This is really disheartening since it negatively affects the overall enjoyment of a park day. Sometimes is just nice to sit down, relax and watch a 20 minute, or longer, show, instead of running from one 2 to 4 minute ride to another 2 to 4 minute ride.

 

[Michael S]

Seems like a general trend at both Disney and Universal to lessen the amount of live entertainment/shows and street actors. This is really disheartening since it negatively affects the overall enjoyment of a park day. Sometimes is just nice to sit down, relax and watch a 20 minute, or longer, show, instead of running from one 2 to 4 minute ride to another 2 to 4 minute ride.

You’re right. Hate to say it, but some in management see that 20-30 mins you’re sitting down (and getting your money’s worth from a great show) as time you aren’t spending more money in the park. Management’s goal is to keep you reaching for your wallet for as many minutes as you can during your trip. Unless the attraction is a main draw to your park (USH Studio Tour, Waterworld) they really don’t like keeping you away from cash registers. You can even see this trend at USH which only has one long form stage show, now, and likely won’t add any more.

I will say, tho, that the Hyperion (probably under prior management) could’ve made a nice home for an interesting Marvel show. Wouldn’t have to be a musical. But imagine a Doctor Strange Multiverse show in there, with projections and effects and a real storyline! Think Bourne style, but with Doctor Strange, or a similar character.

I’d expect the theater to leave for expansion to Avengers Campus or future expansion for another project, sadly.

 

[PerceptiveCoot]

You’re right. Hate to say it, but some in management see that 20-30 mins you’re sitting down (and getting your money’s worth from a great show) as time you aren’t spending more money in the park. Management’s goal is to keep you reaching for your wallet for as many minutes as you can during your trip

Another controversial idea. This theater should have a lobby where you can buy, wait for it, snacks.

I don't know, their whole expectation that people will just lounge around in stores is just antithetical to how I've always done the parks. I think I've only ever bought a tchotchke from a theme park once (a Toothless plush).

 

[Michael S]

Another controversial idea. This theater should have a lobby where you can buy, wait for it, snacks.

I don't know, their whole expectation that people will just lounge around in stores is just antithetical to how I've always done the parks. I think I've only ever bought a tchotchke from a theme park once (a Toothless plush).

I understand where you’re coming from, and I get how this can seem simple, but, there are so many more factors at play when they make these decisions. When you allow food/drink into the theater, you are now paying more people for clean up after each show, as well as the additional cost of storage, food waste and CM to staff the new snack stands—when they employ a ton of other people in those roles elsewhere in the park. They would have to now find them work elsewhere in the park, as well, in between shows.

It’s also not just about how you or I do the parks. Plenty of folks will spend hundreds of dollars a day at a park, or an event, and only experience a few attractions because their interests are different than yours, or mine.

The main point of my comment was to show what management sees as opportunities to make money. When you’re spending an hour on the whole to experience, say Aladdin (lining up early, waiting for showtime, filtering out) management sees that as potential revenue that is wasted. A show like Aladdin, or even Frozen, costs a lot to operate, has only a few showtimes per day and typically won’t draw more guests into the park. That’s why we saw Rogers the Musical as a limited time offering.

You’ve got to understand their main goal is to make as much money possible by spending the least amount possible, whilst delivering a satisfactory product for their paying customers.

In their mind, it is cheaper to have a ride running from park open to park close, and funnel people into a gift shop, than it is to hire actors, stagehands and more for 3-5 showings per day.

I’m with you on having a nice 20-30 min show where I can buy a snack in the lobby, sit back and enjoy it. That’s a great way to fill out the offerings of a park. But Team Disney doesn’t see it that way

 

[Nick]

If they demo the Hyperion for Avengers Campus expansion, I wonder what heroes would get the next attraction. Perhaps something with the X-Men?

Wakanda I’d anticipate if it would be more AC.

 

[HandsomePete]

In their mind, it is cheaper to have a ride running from park open to park close, and funnel people into a gift shop, than it is to hire actors, stagehands and more for 3-5 showings per day.

Running a high-quality show with equity performers, like Aladdin/Frozen or Fesitval of the Lion King, runs around 2X the cost of running an E ticket and 3-4X the cost of a C/D. Like... it would have been literally cheaper to hand a $5 bill to each person in Hyperion in lieu of running the show (barring people learning they were handing out free money inside) and still save a decent amount over a year.

Not saying anyone's opinions about shows is wrong (I enjoy things like Muppetvision and American Adventure a bit more than the live shows), but in the time it takes to watch a Broadway-style in Hyperion someone can do two rides and for as simple as 2 > 1 sounds, that's the counterpoint that causes a lot of people to skip them.

I understand no food/drink in some theaters but that's the best part of American Adventure - grab your beer and chill for 25 minutes.

 

[Jerroddragon]

Yeah

I remember thinking if you saw Aladdin alone it was basically worth your ticket considering the price of that kinda show in LA is easily 60+ bucks at most shows of that size

So I get an E ticket would be "cheaper" in a way but also just would be a huge lose if that Theater just left us. But anyway thats years off like after 2030 for sure because we have 5 other attractions coming to DCA before that (two at Avatar, two for Avengers Campus and Coco)

 

[Mad Dog]

As a guest, especially vacationers, the 'totality' of the theme park experience is paramount when attending a very expensive theme park. And good live entertainment 'should' be part of that experience. Historically, that's one of the major reasons Disney and Universal elevated their parks over the regional 'coaster' parks. If one just wants to ride 'rides', go to a cheaper amusement park, or cheaper regional park. Even a non Disney park, like Busch Gardens Williamsburg was very successful when it was owned by Busch and had lots of live entertainment. Now that BGW has become just another coaster park, with very little live entertainment, its attendance has dropped dramatically. The techno spreadsheet accountants are so often penny wise, but pound foolish.....The long game is superior to the short game....over a period of time....and not everyone is a teenager/early twenty something that only wants to commando rides all day.

 

[tielo]

It's kind of sad coming up with excuses for a company not having a show when they had them in the past plenty and keep pretending business is going amazing...
A show (for me) is a highlight of a theme park. I loved Hunchback and Tarzan is it had live singing and one had live music. I wish Universal would start filling their performance stadiums with great shows and I'm happy Epic seems to get 2 really good once.

 

[Mad Dog]

It's kind of sad coming up with excuses for a company not having a show when they had them in the past plenty and keep pretending business is going amazing...
A show (for me) is a highlight of a theme park. I loved Hunchback and Tarzan is it had live singing and one had live music. I wish Universal would start filling their performance stadiums with great shows and I'm happy Epic seems to get 2 really good once.

Yes. Live shows are an integral part of the theme park experience. And it's really not fair to compare operating expenses of a ride to a show's operating expenses. Of course, shows cost more to operate. BUT, rides/attractions cost way more to build. Shows are a nice alternative to the hustle bustle of running back and forth to 2-4 minute long rides. One nice positive though is that Universal will have two very significant live shows at Epic. That's a bit of a reversal of their embarrassing recent track record concerning live entertainment at their present USA parks.

 

[Jerroddragon]

Deadpool is ending next weekend

but just wanted to point out Deadpool is now making jokes about the Terms of Service of Disney Plus...lol

 

[tielo]

Deadpool is ending next weekend

but just wanted to point out Deadpool is now making jokes about the Terms of Service of Disney Plus...lol

Wow, someone dies and a garbage corporation tried to get out of taking responsibility, how is that funny.

 

[TheUniC6]

Some food for thought. With the red car trolley going the way of the dodo bird, part of me thinks that the Hyperion (already rumored by Micechat is being saved for AC expansion) and the stretch of land leading to the Animation building and Disney Junior will be folded into Avengers Campus down the line since Avatar is strongly rumored to just be taking over the backlot portion of HL.