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It's funny because for as much outrage as I'm seeing, most of my cm/former cm buddies are all VERY stoked for this. (Including the ones that work Tower.) Having a younger sister, I know a ride named "Tower of TERROR" is very off-putting for kids. Keeping the ride system, but giving it a GOTG overlay seems like an interesting way to make it more welcoming. Theme has been so out the door for that whole section of DCA, anyways. Not to mention Joe Rohde is like the King Midas of Imagineering. So basically the point I'm trying to make is OOGA CHAKA.


EDIT: My friend actually just wrote a really great article on it- http://dapsmagic.com/2016/07/26/tower-terror-guardians-galaxy-opinion/
 
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That's a shame. One more thing to ask, isn't there rumors that the Marvel Land (in this case, New York) would take over a portion of the current bus depot to the left of DCA (And by left, I mean as you go to Hollywood Backlot)? If that's so, could you share on if that is possibly happening to increase it's land size to possibly around 9 acres?
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Just an early concept, they decided to shift the plans into Hollywood land since the MI area of the park does not get much foot traffic during the day. 

peasoupprincess said:
It's funny because for as much outrage as I'm seeing, most of my cm/former cm buddies are all VERY stoked for this. (Including the ones that work Tower.)
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I was at SDCC for the announcement, every one i talked to seemed to love the concept, granted most of them are out-of-staters. I talked to a few TOT CMs on Monday (yes I am dumb enough to go to Disney the day after comic-con ends) and they all legitimately seemed sad about the change, a few cautiously optimistic. I believe one CM must have thought I was some sort of under cover upper management testing the cast responses, by how stoic and emotionless his response was. 
 
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Just no to everything about this attraction, it's so unnecessary and out of place, the facades gonna look goofy, and I hope the cgi they use isn't as bad as Soarins, the ride is great now, they should just wait until they do the big overhaul for Marvel Land and then do this
 
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After three days have passed since this dreaded announcement, I've reached the point of acceptance. this still isn't my first choice….but let's look at the bright side of things here:


The main reason why I hate this is mainly for the loss of a horror theme and a great exterior that blends well with BVS. To be honest, while it is a fun ride, it is the weakest E-ticket at the resort. Not to mention ours is the crappy version of Florida's. Like the article mentioned that peasoupprincess linked, the top dogs of Imagineering are involved in this. I'm sure they'll find a way to make the exterior work better than concept art (Hopefully). They understand the criticism. They'll do their best. This is supposed to be in the new Marvel themed area after all. 


The queue line looks really cool. It looks like we'll see some nice AAs in there. We'll also probably get a pre show on-par, if not better, than Tokyo's ToT. This may end up having a queue line almost, if not as good, as USH's FJ. I know it's a quick turnaround, but I think there is going to be some really nice theming in here. I doubt they're going to half-heartedly do this.   


Now let's talk about the ride itself. Remember the sets/screen style Disney used for Shanghai's Pirates? I think this ride will be the first to use this tech in the U.S. I'm imagining doors to the gantry lift opening and the projection distorts with the elevator motion. Since they're screens, they can have different scenes/on-screen action with the characters differentiate. They'll probably seal up the doors at the top of the structure to maintain the illusion of being in a space station. So no more view of DLR. Maybe we'll also see some props or digital mapping scenes while falling? 


Oh, and did we forget that this will be the first new full-blown ride in five years? I'm speaking to myself here as well but I find it ironic that we're complaining Disney has barely added anything for so long while Universal adds rides like crazy. Disney decides to change up a ride for a new theme and we go ballistic. I know this concept  sounds ridiculous, but I think we should have a little faith. Whether or not this was Imagineering's first choice, they're going to make dang sure this is a worthy replacement of Tower of Terror. Look what they did to Malestrom/Frozen. Although it didn't receive nearly as much pushback, it was heavily criticized and it turned out to be better than Kong!  :lol:  I think all of the people who supported this from the start are going to laugh when all of the haters end up thinking this is one of the best rides Disney has ever done. When Iger demands changes to an old ride, so far he has not disappointed. Watch this be better than SLoP. Watch. 


Gee, after going through all of the positives of this new ride, it doesn't sound like it'll be that bad. It actually sounds like a nice change from being the sucky ToT. It's something different, something new, and it gives incentive to visit both WDW and DLR now.  


Although I feel bad for Joe as an Imagin-ear (Hehehe). He gets stuck with Avatar for nearly a decade and now he's stuck with one of the most ill-received projects ever. Poor guy. I think he'll redeem himself once this opens up. 8
 
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^ Well when you put it that way, yes it does sound like something to anticipate. You make a lot of good points Freak, but I must disagree when you say it's the "first new full-blown ride in five year." For me, a brand new ride is built from the ground up, not repurposed. Nevertheless, if we do get all those new technologies the ride would be really cool. And something that is innovative is always something to look forward to. So you somewhat sold, me on Guardians of the Galaxy with all your positivity. Still it doesn't change the fact that ToT had awesome theming, and atmosphere. So what if ours pales in comparison to Orlando's it was ours (I never rode it in Orlando anyways so...). I think I can only fully accept it when I see it myself. Also, I hope it keeps the freaky/scary theming. Does anyone know if the movie is freaky? I never seen it.  
 
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TheTFReview said:
Just an early concept, they decided to shift the plans into Hollywood land since the MI area of the park does not get much foot traffic during the day. 
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This doesn't make sense. The MI area doesn't get foot traffic because there's nothing to draw people back there. That's a self-propagating argument. 

Freak said:
The main reason why I hate this is mainly for the loss of a horror theme and a great exterior that blends well with BVS. To be honest, while it is a fun ride, it is the weakest E-ticket at the resort. Not to mention ours is the crappy version of Florida's. Like the article mentioned that peasoupprincess linked, the top dogs of Imagineering are involved in this. I'm sure they'll find a way to make the exterior work better than concept art (Hopefully). They understand the criticism. They'll do their best. This is supposed to be in the new Marvel themed area after all. 


The queue line looks really cool. It looks like we'll see some nice AAs in there. We'll also probably get a pre show on-par, if not better, than Tokyo's ToT. This may end up having a queue line almost, if not as good, as USH's FJ. I know it's a quick turnaround, but I think there is going to be some really nice theming in here. I doubt they're going to half-heartedly do this.   


Now let's talk about the ride itself. Remember the sets/screen style Disney used for Shanghai's Pirates? I think this ride will be the first to use this tech in the U.S. I'm imagining doors to the gantry lift opening and the projection distorts with the elevator motion. Since they're screens, they can have different scenes/on-screen action with the characters differentiate. They'll probably seal up the doors at the top of the structure to maintain the illusion of being in a space station. So no more view of DLR. Maybe we'll also see some props or digital mapping scenes while falling? 


Oh, and did we forget that this will be the first new full-blown ride in five years?
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Is ToT really the weakest E-Ticket? I mean, Grizzly is arguably weaker and one of the biggest solutions to ToT's problems could've been fixed with what they're bringing to GotG: the randomized drop selections. WDI has been wanting to implement that onto ToT for ages and they haven't until now. That doesn't make GotG good, it just means they finally got an excuse to plug in the programming.


As for the queue, I wouldn't expect AAs. Props and screen effects, yes. This is the only area where I think things could legitimately work in its favor even though I am much more for the open ambiance of the boiler room. (and enough about the lighting, I think it's neatly surreal [this is not a comment directed to you, Freak, I'm just tired of hearing it haha])


The biggest thing to remember about the actual ride is that the Imagineers have very limited space to work with. Technically Tower of Terror actually still uses a combination of screens and set. The hallway scene is a mixture of Pepper's Ghost, set minatures, fiber optics and a screen at the end of the hallway  The mirror scene is of course a frosted-glass effect combined with a set piece. However both are within these very tight quarters. Even the space in which guests look out is not huge. So the Shanghai tech is nearly impossible to use in this situation as the alotted area is not large enough to be able to create the same effect at all. Expect something not groundbreaking, but quirky and slightly dopey with some neat little effects. Just like our current Tower of Terror. 


Also nothing about this is a new full-blown ride. That's like calling Hyperspace Mountain a new, full-blown ride. Luigi's comes closer.


Yes, I'm still kind of a tight-ass about this decision and I think I'm going to stay stubborn about this as much as people plead for leinancy and tolerance. I am disgusted over the fact that basically all of this could've been avoided and improved the park, but instead they are electing to go in the opposite direction. I just can't support it.

Inspire2_Ride said:
Does anyone know if the movie is freaky? I never seen it.  
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It's a pulpy, popcorn comedic sci-fi with superhero elements. The Collector is a little creepy (and his collection can be) but it's far from horror in the same vein. This will be a much lighter attraction.
 
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Ryan said:
This doesn't make sense. The MI area doesn't get foot traffic because there's nothing to draw people back there. That's a self-propagating argument. 
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Right. That's why they're transforming that area into Marvel, there is A LOT more planned beyond GOTG.
 
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Right. That's why they're transforming that area into Marvel, there is A LOT more planned beyond GOTG.
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Oh sorry, I misread your post. I thought you were insinuating that they were moving AWAY from there and over to where ToT is. Apologies.
 
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Well, if this wasn't enough, Disney is going full-force on ending the 60th. Not only will the expected decor and World of Color show leave, but the immensely popular and non-celebration-themed Disneyland Forever fireworks show and the even-more uber-popular Paint the Night parade will be ending September 5th: http://wdwnt.com/blog/2016/08/breaking-paint-the-night-parade-at-disneyland-will-end-september-5th-as-well/


While I understand why Celebrate has to leave, I'm flustered on them taking away these two shows so soon, especially due to Fantasmic not returning for at least another nine months! Rumors have it that Paint the Night will travel to Florida to the Magic Kingdom for summer 2017, helping them offset the sting of the delayed Avatar project not making it on time. (Typhoon Lagoon is also adding a heavily-themed family raft ride to compete with Volcano Bay) In return, Disneyland will get the Main Street Electrical Parade, marking the first time it's hit those streets in 20 years despite all those years spent glowing down DCA's parade path. Not to mention that Paint the Night is MSEP 2.0, and will make the latter parade feel exhausted and dated instead of (what Disney is probably hoping) quaint and nostalgic. Of course, the return of Fantasmic, the DLRR and the Rivers of America will help offset the possible lacklusterness of that if it comes to fruition, but I don't sense that 2017 will be necessarily a happy time for the resort.


Not only will the Eastern Gateway, also announced today, cause construction headaches on Harbor Blvd and the entrance to DL, but Guardians ToT will be unleashed in all of its controversy and I highly doubt RoA will open to much happiness. Once Star Wars Land is finished, that new bank and railroad trestle will be gorgeous. However, when it opens up it'll probably look really awkward with a faux foilage construction wall. Of course, the Disneyland fireworks (for now the old and short Fantasy in the Sky) will probably revert to Magical or another lame non-Steve Davidson take on it, and of course there's MSEP. Oof. 


I am usually not this down on the resort but I am very, very disappoined on these turn of events. Yes, Forever is expensive. But so was Remember Dreams Come True, which ran far past the 50th. This is simply an excuse to drastically reduce budgets by using the end of the celebration as a reason. Forever could very easily go on past it, so could Paint the Night. The one piece of good news is the return of the original World of Color, which in my mind was superior than the (a tad overhated) Celebrate, and probably will see a brand-new Star Wars/Rogue One scene to go along with it. Crossing my fingers for some more new stuff as well.


So yeah:  :(
 
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Really unfortunate news, and you're right, Electrical Parade doesn't age well in comparison to Paint the Night. I wonder how Disneyland will pull that off, if they choose to go that route.
 
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I've heard for a few months now that Paint the Night will turn into a seasonal offering. Granted I've also heard the WDW alternative, but not from other CMs. I'm going to bet on the former. It's an unfortunate and cost-cutting move but I don't think this is the end of PTN here. Those floats are notorious to upkeep, so this may be a blessing in disguise to add something new to the parade. 
 
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I'm hearing both sides currently, and yeah I really hope the seasonal one wins out because I really don't want to see MSEP over here again.
 
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Ryan said:
Of course, the return of Fantasmic, the DLRR and the Rivers of America will help offset the possible lacklusterness of that if it comes to fruition, but I don't sense that 2017 will be necessarily a happy time for the resort.
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Just wait until you see what's happening to Fantasmic when it comes back, they're doing a lot of great things to the infrastructure and show itself that's gone virtually unannounced. It'll be the same classic show, but completely new. I'll leave it at that and am 100% positive it will be the biggest hit of Summer 2017.
 
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Just wait until you see what's happening to Fantasmic when it comes back, they're doing a lot of great things to the infrastructure and show itself that's gone virtually unannounced. It'll be the same classic show, but completely new. I'll leave it at that and am 100% positive it will be the biggest hit of Summer 2017.
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Woohoo! More d&b audiotechnik!
 
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Just wait until you see what's happening to Fantasmic when it comes back, they're doing a lot of great things to the infrastructure and show itself that's gone virtually unannounced. It'll be the same classic show, but completely new. I'll leave it at that and am 100% positive it will be the biggest hit of Summer 2017.
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As long as there isn't any issues like what happened with the dragon all those year's ago..then yeah, I'm fine with that. ;)
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if they couple the return of Fantasmic and Paint the Night as the basis for next Summer's media campaign. 
 
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It'll look very fresh and good, yes. But I don't think it's going to blow anyone away as much as Murphy did.
 
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It'll look very fresh and good, yes. But I don't think it's going to blow anyone away as much as Murphy did.
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If his neck hadn't broken and caused the delay, I doubt he'd be half as iconic as he is. Fan 2.0 will be pretty damn incredible.
 
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Lame.
 
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On a brighter note; From OCRegister..


http://www.ocregister.com/articles/disney-725346-parking-disneyland.html


The new structure will not only house Parking..but it will be relocating the Bus dropoff/pickups for Disneyland Resort to the new structure. The structure will be completed at around 2018.


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When you think about it..this could leave the door open for expanding DCA to the Bus Depot (perhaps for a Marvelous land..?)


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Both of the images above are from OCRegister..but to note something; it seems that there is quite a bit of space for an expansion of DCA with the one below the concept art of the structure itself.
 
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