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Future Universal Projects and Parks

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OrlandoGuy

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Teebin said:
I am not sure who you are arguing with. A persons face is treated very much like an IP in cases such as this. He is under contract to NBC to host the tonight show, not to sell tickets to a theme park via a theme park attraction using his likeness.
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I am not sure who you are arguing with. A persons face is treated very much like an IP in cases such as this. He is under contract to NBC to host the tonight show, not to sell tickets to a theme park via a theme park attraction using his likeness.
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When someone says "They need to negotiate with the IP", no one thinks of a person. Come on now.
 
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When someone says "They need to negotiate with the IP", no one thinks of a person. Come on now.
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Oh, well I never said that, so I guess you are arguing with the other guy.

Back to the idea of this thread, it seems that there is an end in sight regarding expansion. Does anyone know of development of a project beyond 2017? I don't. I want to, but I don't.
 
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Teebin said:
Back to the idea of this thread, it seems that there is an end in sight regarding expansion. Does anyone know of development of a project beyond 2017? I don't. I want to, but I don't.
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As much as I want to believe there is a master plan in the President's office detailing the next 10 years, I don't think it exists. I don't think anything is planned more than 4 years out (unless it's a full-on theme park). Things aren't budgeted that far out, as the company would need to respond to the economy, travel trends, hit movies, yearly income, etc. Anything beyond 4 years out is, as OrlandoGuy said, just a one-page treatment pinned to a corkboard somewhere.

But don't let me stop the speculation; it's fun. :)
 
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Universal had a solid 10 year plan in 2012. We are 2 years in. So now it is an 8 year plan. And it includes 3 more hotels and caps off with the 3rd gate.
 
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When someone says "They need to negotiate with the IP", no one thinks of a person. Come on now.
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I can actually shed a little light on this since I have experience in this area.

When an actor signs on to a movie or television show, they are agreeing for their likeness to be used in that production and, normally, for marketing purposes (but not merchandise, that’s separate) – however every type of use (online, print, outdoor) and the regions of the world where it’s used is negotiated between the actor’s attorney and the studio. The push-and-pull is that the Studio wants all rights, and the actor wants to give no rights. It’s all part of the game.

For example, if you look back at ads for LOST, you always see the entire cast appears in each print ad. This isn’t a creative choice – all the actors collectively agreed that they all must appear on any print ad together to ensure nobody gets more promotion than anybody else.

Now, theme park rights: Theme park rights are usually an afterthought, (or at least they were until the past 10 years or so), so that is traditionally a totally separate negotiation apart from the initial contract for the movie/TV show.

Regarding Jimmy Fallon, if Comcast were to ask him to be in an attraction in Florida, of course he should be a “good guy” and do it, however, nobody at the company would expect him to do it for free since this is clearly above and beyond his normal duties as host of a talk show, and he should be compensated accordingly.

If you see ads for GrinchMas (do they still do that?) you’ll see an actor in makeup that looks like Jim Carrey as the Grinch, but it’s not Jim Carey. Universal owns that particular execution of the Grinch character, but Carey was not paid for his portrayal of The Grinch to be used. Therefore it is someone else in that makeup, even if it’s hard to tell.

When it came time to build a Back To The Future Ride, a Universal Movie, at a Universal Park, they had carte blanche to do what they want with the IP – meaning the story, the costumes, the time machine, the characters (but not the actors), the “world” if you will. Universal could write 400 BTTF books or make a cartoon or comic book without paying the actors anything since that’s only dealing with the characters, not the actors. Of course, in a theme park attraction, you want to see the actual actors as the characters. That’s a separate negotiation.

Michael J. Fox refused for his likeness to be used in a theme park attraction. Some actors don’t like the idea of being replayed endlessly on monitors for throngs of guests for decades for a relatively small compensation compared to a theatrical run of a movie. Christopher Lloyd DID agree. He also agreed for his likeness to be used in print advertising for the ride. However, he DIDN’T agree for his likeness to be used in outdoor advertising (aka billboards). I’m not sure if any of you remember the billboards for BTTF The Ride – they featured the time machine zooming across the face of Doc Brown. You could see the character’s telltale white hair, but NOT his face. It was blocked by the fire trails of the time machine. This was a way of getting around using the likeness of the actor.

Only Richard Attenbourough agreed to be in the JP: River Adventure (they shot that queue video when they were filming the movie, way before they had any idea what the ride was actually going to be like). But they had walk-around characters for Ian Malcom, John Hammond, etc., which they didn't have to consult the actors for.

This is why there’s no problem with walkaround (“face”) characters in the park. It’s not the actor playing the part, so it doesn’t matter. The studio owns the IP (character) so they can have other actors portray the character. With characters such as Charlie Chaplin and Marilyn Monroe, Universal pays for the rights from 3rd party agencies that control use of those characters. (There is no Harry Potter face character at Rowling’s request)

There’s also other miscellaneous issues when negotiating IPs. Some writers or producers have special agreements with studios. For example, Universal will never, ever be able to make a sequel to Back To The Future without Co-Writer Bob Gale’s permission. He was smart enough to negotiate that term when he signed on for the sequels, having the foresight to know that the trilogy would be a huge hit and he would want to maintain creative control.

So as you can see there are a lot of things to consider when using an IP to build a theme park attraction, and the individual actors definitely add an extra layer of difficulty to the process.
 
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^Thanks for the in-depth description...before declaring Tourism/Hospitality I dabbled in marketing and learned a bit about licensing laws. Its very interesting stuff.

I think the poster you quoted knows this, he's just arguing semantics, grasping at straws to have some sort of argument. But nonetheless, great read!
 
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Oh, I wasn't trying to school JungleSkip, I know he knows his stuff... I was just sharing info for all the readers here when considering Universal's long range plans.
 
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Kuribo said:
Oh, I wasn't trying to school JungleSkip, I know he knows his stuff... I was just sharing info for all the readers here when considering Universal's long range plans.
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And I appreciated it. I love the dicey details.
 
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It was rumored to be some sort of ride based around 30 Rockefeller Center.
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dang it. Got ya. I was hoping it was something really cool that I had missed. :lol: oh well.
 
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JungleSkip said:
You don't have to negotiate with an IP you own.

And you assume no work has been done on MoM? Okay.
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A while back a little bird mentioned that the site had already been surveyed for MoM, anyone have anymore? I also noticed what could have been survey markings backstage whilst at HHN, these were behind the kidzone area?

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Nice handbag you got there buddy.


(I saw someone post that on another thread the other day and got a kick out of it lol…thank you)
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Hey , thats my line :mean::rofl:
 
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A while back a little bird mentioned that the site had already been surveyed for MoM, anyone have anymore? I also noticed what could have been survey markings backstage whilst at HHN, these were behind the kidzone area?
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I do not see the financial return in building MoM in Orlando. I would quicker think they would build it into one of their other parks.
 
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Out of curiosity, has this extension of land ever been in considering? I feel like it would be a prime location for either a 3rd park, or more resorts, just because of its proximity to the parking garages, as well as waterway. Could easily extend waterway or new type of transportation model here. Have another branch coming out of the parking garage that could lead to another park/another version of city walk. Just thinking out loud/in dream land.

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Out of curiosity, has this extension of land ever been in considering?]
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Yes, I considered it sometime back.

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Whether or not Uni has considered it, I have no idea.
 
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The problem with the Major Blvd. plot is the I4 expansion will greatly impact that plot.
 
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The problem with the Major Blvd. plot is the I4 expansion will greatly impact that plot.
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I was thinking that Comcast could just buy I4 and reroute it to somewhere...
 
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Disneyhead I cant see them having a solid 10 year plan because of coming and going IP'S. I think they have a plan as to what they can remove and what areas they should build up.

The question i have is what kind of theme park they will build after they finish expansions (Rumored MSHI, Suess, Kong, Jurassic, Twister, earthquake, kidzone, F&F, toon lagoon, star trek, MoM). They still have a ton of areas to maximize.

Question would be, are they going to use same characters in a third park or will they try something new and maybe even have original concepts. Other IPs I could realistically see.

DC (dont criticize, just saying it may be possible)
LOTR
Halo
Warcraft

But then what would be the general theme of the area?

Themes they could use

- mythological areas
- Planets of outerspace with different land terrians
- a middle earth park (Warcraft, LOTR, Game of thrones (??))

i just cant think of a solid theme. Anyone have their own ideas?
 
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Planets of adventure confirmed to be the third parks name
 
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Epic Journeys coming soon.....
 
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I think there won't be a third park until they have done everything they possibly can with the two existing parks.
They have a definite goal to expand big time, as to whether or not they have a solid plan ... it definitely seems like they really think things through and don't rush things (planning wise), I think that Universal's brilliance, they think and change things accordingly, that is why everything they do is so good ...
 
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