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Stardust Racers Accident

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Thanks. I was just wondering if anyone else had sort of figured that out. Hadn't even caught the 'thrown forward' statement, so I'd have the same question about that. I want to be clear I'm not claiming that the intent is malicious or to mislead the public, just that as someone who has ridden this a significant amount of times, the ways he described the experience seemed to range from unlikely to impossible. I wonder if the logic used is that the restraint style being at the waist leads riders to be more likely to get thrown forward and then rubber band backwards, smacking their head on the headrest?
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There are bars on the front of each car (highlighted green). I think it is either misquoted//misspoken about positioning on the train itself, but not on the positioning in the car as being "the front."

There are explanations out there. Check the video mentioned previously in this thread by FireMedic Adventures 17 on youtube.
He was an EMT and explains the logistics of it while still being genuinely sincere about it. It helped me understand it better.
 
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There are bars on the front of each car (highlighted green). I think it is either misquoted//misspoken about positioning on the train itself, but not on the positioning in the car as being "the front."

There are explanations out there. Check the video mentioned previously in this thread by FireMedic Adventures 17 on youtube.
He was an EMT and explains the logistics of it while still being genuinely sincere about it. It helped me understand it better.
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While being contained within the restraint, those handrails are different to reach. It’s especially difficult if you have a larger torso and the restraint sits up higher on you. At that point, your range of motion is limited.

Could someone really lean all the way over and make contact with the handrail on accident?

If it turns out that the engineer who designed the ride didn’t account for that, I think that would be concerning information. I would really hope it’s not possible, even if something abnormal happened during the ride.
 
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While being contained within the restraint, those handrails are different to reach. It’s especially difficult if you have a larger torso and the restraint sits up higher on you. At that point, your range of motion is limited.

Could someone really lean all the way over and make contact with the handrail on accident?

If it turns out that the engineer who designed the ride didn’t account for that, I think that would be concerning information. I would really hope it’s not possible, even if something abnormal happened during the ride.
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My assumption is he became unconscious first then started flailing about and thats where any hitting of rails, blunt force trauma, and lacerations came from. The "how" he became unconscious is both the most important and most irrelevant part. If he isn't unconscious, he probably is alive now. But, if that's what can happen to a rider after losing consciousness, that's really bad as that can happen to anyone riding.
 
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RGMick77 said:
Could someone really lean all the way over and make contact with the handrail on accident?
I would really hope it’s not possible, even if something abnormal happened during the ride.
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fryoj said:
if that's what can happen to a rider after losing consciousness, that's really bad as that can happen to anyone riding.
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If you give a watch to the paramedic's video the post above references, he gives a pretty plausible and detailed explanation of what he thinks happened which answers those questions. If one's upper legs were broken during the ride and the restraint was already positioned awkwardly on one's body, it makes a bit more sense how the rest of the body could be moved out of the proper place under the restraint with the repeated forward and back motion from all the air time hills. It's probably not the fact that someone passed out that is the issue. That is obviously tested for and should not cause serious injuries. Coasters just like this one with restraints just like this one have welcomed many millions of guests for many years without serious issues. This may be a perfect storm of many unique factors that contributed to this horrible incident.
 
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As I've said before, the real physical facts should have been a part of the medical examiners report. Universal and the attorney will have access to that. This comment is pure conjecture, but I can speak from experience on what happens if your femur and hip breaks at the point of connection. I had a
bad fall last October. My femur (which is the longest bone in the body) fractured and broke away from the hip and the hip also fractured. I was home
alone. The pain was so intense that I couldn't stop screaming since those broken bones were flailing against all the nerve endings. I almost passed out
a couple of times. I lost all body control and couldn't even drag my body. Any small movement resulted in excruciating, unbelievable, pain. The phone
was about ten feet away. The best I could do was use my head to rub against my bookcase, and then desk, to move my body. It took about 30 minutes to move that 10 feet to the phone. It took 4 paramedics to move my crumpled up body. Lots of morphine on the way and at the hospital. Almost immediate operation. The paramedic blog that's being referenced suggests that may have happened. Spinal injury from birth and probably atrophied legs that would easily break, and unconsciousness setting in from the extreme pain, and no ability for the body to brace itself. We don't know for sure what happened, but my comment describes how intense the pain can be and that could induce unconsciousness....and the blunt injuries follow a limp body......And your body is certainly limp if both hip and femur fractures.
 
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As I've said before, the real physical facts should have been a part of the medical examiners report. Universal and the attorney will have access to that. This comment is pure conjecture, but I can speak from experience on what happens if your femur and hip breaks at the point of connection. I had a
bad fall last October. My femur (which is the longest bone in the body) fractured and broke away from the hip and the hip also fractured. I was home
alone. The pain was so intense that I couldn't stop screaming since those broken bones were flailing against all the nerve endings. I almost passed out
a couple of times. I lost all body control and couldn't even drag my body. Any small movement resulted in excruciating, unbelievable, pain. The phone
was about ten feet away. The best I could do was use my head to rub against my bookcase, and then desk, to move my body. It took about 30 minutes to move that 10 feet to the phone. It took 4 paramedics to move my crumpled up body. Lots of morphine on the way and at the hospital. Almost immediate operation. The paramedic blog that's being referenced suggests that may have happened. Spinal injury from birth and probably atrophied legs that would easily break, and unconsciousness setting in from the extreme pain, and no ability for the body to brace itself. We don't know for sure what happened, but my comment describes how intense the pain can be and that could induce unconsciousness....and the blunt injuries follow a limp body......And your body is certainly limp if both hip and femur fractures.
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As I've said before, the real physical facts should have been a part of the medical examiners report. Universal and the attorney will have access to that. This comment is pure conjecture, but I can speak from experience on what happens if your femur and hip breaks at the point of connection. I had a
bad fall last October. My femur (which is the longest bone in the body) fractured and broke away from the hip and the hip also fractured. I was home
alone. The pain was so intense that I couldn't stop screaming since those broken bones were flailing against all the nerve endings. I almost passed out
a couple of times. I lost all body control and couldn't even drag my body. Any small movement resulted in excruciating, unbelievable, pain. The phone
was about ten feet away. The best I could do was use my head to rub against my bookcase, and then desk, to move my body. It took about 30 minutes to move that 10 feet to the phone. It took 4 paramedics to move my crumpled up body. Lots of morphine on the way and at the hospital. Almost immediate operation. The paramedic blog that's being referenced suggests that may have happened. Spinal injury from birth and probably atrophied legs that would easily break, and unconsciousness setting in from the extreme pain, and no ability for the body to brace itself. We don't know for sure what happened, but my comment describes how intense the pain can be and that could induce unconsciousness....and the blunt injuries follow a limp body......And your body is certainly limp if both hip and femur fractures.
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That is terrible. I am sorry that happened to you. I hope you are doing better!
 
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Yikes
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Generally, I have a high pain threshold from experiencing a zillion sports injuries.......but that pain was really indescribable. I don't
know if that's what happened, but 'if' the paramedics blog somehow hit on it, that could explain a lot of what went down. I would
never wish that pain on my worst enemy. @Freak: Thanks. According to my neurologist, my recovery was remarkable. He suggested
I recovered well because I have such strong lower body strength from decades of playing high level club soccer. Many with that double
break can never walk, without assistance, again. I got lucky.....I can imagine the G forces of 6 Stardust rides on an atrophied femur and hip. ...
 
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Generally, I have a high pain threshold from experiencing a zillion sports injuries.......but that pain was really indescribable. I don't
know if that's what happened, but if the paramedics blog somehow hit on it, that could explain a lot of what went down. I would
never wish that pain on my worst enemy.
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sorry to ask but did you just trip?
 
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Mad Dog said:
Generally, I have a high pain threshold from experiencing a zillion sports injuries.......but that pain was really indescribable. I don't
know if that's what happened, but if the paramedics blog somehow hit on it, that could explain a lot of what went down. I would
never wish that pain on my worst enemy.
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I’m really glad you’re ok. Reading through your story and imagining what may have happened to this gentleman tears me up.
 
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sorry to ask but did you just trip?
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Balky left knee gave out on stairs. Flew about 7 feet through the air and hit straight on the hip and then my head bounced off the floor. The knee was the reason I finally quit playing soccer at age 64. ...The worst part is I had a good price on a Portofino vacation that I had to cancel. I can laugh about it now, but certainly not then. That double break of the hip and femur is tough to rehab from. Fortunately, I'm still in decent shape and not heavy. Unfortunately, actions sometimes have bad consequences. Doctors were mum when I asked will I be able to walk again, but I pushed my recovery hard. Doesn't help to baby yourself. Face the consequences and do your best..........I hope that didn't happen to that gentleman, but if it did.....I don't even want to think about it. .....They might have to reevaluate who can ride some of this high thrill stuff.
 
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“Long time ride designer Bill Kitchen of Orlando tells WESH 2 News the safety record for the coaster worldwide has been sound, and in his view, the lap bar is enough, adding, ‘It's an unfortunate coincidence but it is, in my opinion not going to be negligence on the part of Universal.’

Attorney Crump claims Universal ride attendants helped Zavala onto the ride from his wheelchair with what’s called a ‘transfer seat.’

Ken Martin, a safety expert in Virginia, added, ‘They should not have allowed him to get onto the ride. When people get on rides they have to have the use of their extremities and their body mass, and that's how the roller coaster is designed.’”

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So did Universal employees “help him” onto the ride or did they just offer the use of a transfer seat? According to the attorney, the victim was “totally independent”, so he shouldn’t have needed any help. Of course, that could just be Lawyer Speak, which is frustrating when all you want is to know the correct details.

I just have a hard time imagining Universal employees lifting him up and setting him in the seat themselves. Amusement park employees aren’t supposed to touch you, for obvious liability reasons.

Mad Dog said:
As I've said before, the real physical facts should have been a part of the medical examiners report. Universal and the attorney will have access to that. This comment is pure conjecture, but I can speak from experience on what happens if your femur and hip breaks at the point of connection. I had a
bad fall last October. My femur (which is the longest bone in the body) fractured and broke away from the hip and the hip also fractured.
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I’m very sorry to hear about your injury. That sounds horrific. I can’t imagine that happening while being contained within the restraint system of a rollercoaster, unless there were preexisting health conditions involved. As you said, that should have been in the examiners report, so we didn’t end up with so much speculation.

AustinT said:
If one's upper legs were broken during the ride and the restraint was already positioned awkwardly on one's body, it makes a bit more sense how the rest of the body could be moved out of the proper place under the restraint with the repeated forward and back motion from all the air time hills. It's probably not the fact that someone passed out that is the issue. That is obviously tested for and should not cause serious injuries.
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I’ve watched the paramedic video that is being referenced on here. This theory would also point to preexisting health conditions being a factor.
 
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Reading through comments on some YouTube videos and the Universal subreddit, there’s quite an amount of people that are rather… unsympathetic to Zavala and especially his family. Glad I haven’t seen much here so far.
 
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Reopening tomorrow per Karen Irwin
 
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Reopening tomorrow per Karen Irwin
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Reading through comments on some YouTube videos and the Universal subreddit, there’s quite an amount of people that are rather… unsympathetic to Zavala and especially his family. Glad I haven’t seen much here so far.
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social media, in general, is pretty brutal and uncaring. Once lawyers get involved and make it a public spectacle, it can drive even levelheaded people to be more critical.
 
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social media, in general, is pretty brutal and uncaring. Once lawyers get involved and make it a public spectacle, it can drive even levelheaded people to be more critical.
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Yes, social media comments are just people screaming into the void. This is a discussion forum, so I come here to learn about various niche topics.

In this particular case, some of us would like to know what impact this case is going to have on the amusement industry and safety regulations.

Other people might be hoping to learn if the ride is still safe or if there will be any changes to it.

My initial frustration was that, in the immediate aftermath of the incident, all I (and the media) had to go off of was a lawyer making the details murky and obscuring pertinent information. Definitely not a fan of that tactic, but that’s on him and nobody else.

Maybe some independently reviewed incident reports will start showing up soon, so the public can know what’s going on.
 
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The reported memo (DCBaker posted this on the other forum)

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Great news! I visit for the first time in a couple weeks and was really hoping they would get this straightened out.
 
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