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  • Friday at 10:29 AM
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Chopped ahh season. Some great moments, but that’s all they really are…just moments.
No meaningful deaths, and while there is the appearance of stakes, in reality there are none. Duffer Bros fell so in love with their characters and became so scared of angering or upsetting fans that they never entertained for a single second the possibility that any of the core crew could actually bite it. I appreciate they followed through with the cave and with Henry’s failed redemption arc. LOVED the return of the Mind Flayer, even if his screen-time was a little too short for my tastes. Also thought that the wrap up was cute. That said, this season had zero story, piss-poor writing, no forward momentum, a good deal of bloat/dead or empty air, and wasn’t as satisfying or as cool as it should have been.
The entire series itself was good enough, but will likely end up having very little staying power or cultural impact. The MVPs of the series are David Harbor, Gaten Matarazzo, Joe Keery, Noah Schnapp, and Jamie Campbell Bower. RIP Stranger Things. At last, we are all finally free!

Stranger Things Season 5 gets 2.5 Stars from me.
 
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^ Love seeing this post only a few posts down from someone thanking this forum for taking spoilers so seriously
 
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Legacy said:
The writing is bad.

Dustin’s final speech really didn’t jive at all with what we saw during the show. The show was basically 5 seasons of nerds being nerds with a couple of jocks doing jock stuff. I don’t know where that came from.
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Completely agree on the spoiler.
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It's pretty easy to see where it came from, tbh. It was one of the first things Eddie said.

“I'm gonna walk that stage next month, I'm gonna look Principal Higgins dead in the eye, I'm gonna flip him the bird, I'm gonna snatch that diploma and I'm gonna run like hell outta here.” — Eddie Munson
 
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  • Friday at 12:07 PM
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^ Love seeing this post only a few posts down from someone thanking this forum for taking spoilers so seriously
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I fixed it for ya!
 
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LPCaptainDeath said:
It's pretty easy to see where it came from, tbh. It was one of the first things Eddie said.

“I'm gonna walk that stage next month, I'm gonna look Principal Higgins dead in the eye, I'm gonna flip him the bird, I'm gonna snatch that diploma and I'm gonna run like hell outta here.” — Eddie Munson
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I’m referring more to the “we’re all different types of people who learned to work together despite being different” part of the speech. There was never a true “jock” in the group, unless you count Steve. And Steve really only crossed-over with Dustin. Nancy was a prep, but also was nerd-coded because of her friendship with Barb and journalism desires. Eleven and Max were both pure outcasts, so they naturally fell in with the “nerds.” We can’t even say Lucas was a jock because he was a nerd first.

The middle finger was a fun callback, but the actual “point,” which plays like a moral, wasn’t really supported by the show.
EDIT - Ultimately, I think it kinda epitomized how the Duffer’s idea of what the show was supposed to be never fully jived with what the show was.
 
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  • Friday at 2:45 PM
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Absolute 6/10 season if I'm feeling generous. Painfully average.

Having Kali throw out "My story was always going to end here" for the traditional obvious killing of a non-main character was so genuinely on-the-nose hilarious to me. Everyone predicted they'd be the one to not survive to the finish, and their final words were literally just that. Incredible stuff. And then Vickie was an absolute nothingburger by the end of things. Fantastic use of minor characters, as always.

And all of that buildup for the shortest "final battle" possible in a two-hour-long episode of television lol.
 
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  • Yesterday at 2:38 PM
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Loved Eleven’s fate in the ending. I was worried they were going to kill her off which, considering her character is a victim of abuse by Brenner and co. and the fact that she was still a kid until the ending, killing her off would send a really bad message for the series, as well as (though this is not a family show) rather out of pocket in its edginess. Plus I like the ambiguity of whether or not she survived or Mike and the others just hoped she did, I enjoy open endings like that.

Also, I just realized that Eleven basically pulled an Elphaba in the ending.
 
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  • Yesterday at 10:29 PM
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Now that I've watched and had some time to digest the ending, I want to preface this by saying that I am underwhelmed by the season as a whole.
As I stated previously, the Duffer Brothers wrote themselves into a corner and they were either unwilling or unable to write themselves out of it following Season 4.
With all that said, I didn't completely hate the ending. I have a lot of criticism for it but there are certainly worse ways it could have gone.
Do I believe that they could and should have condensed it based on those criticisms, absolutely. The final battle in the finale is basically what the ending was revolving around and it truly did not need the entirety of this season to carry it.
So many elements just didn't carry through. The military subplot really falls apart here, as it becomes sort of nonsensical. We literally forget about Max and Vickie, as well as Erica and Murray because they aren't needed for the main plot. Which seems to be a lot of the final episode to be honest.
I appreciate the ambiguous but tragic and slightly dark ending for Eleven. I do feel that if any character absolutely needed to have some sort of elimination, it was likely to be her. That was the original intent for Season 1, and it really fits her character overall. I felt Mike's character got flattened from the end of Season 1 onward, and this season was the same but the exception was the DnD ending and the story he came up with for Eleven. It was a touching and beautiful moment of shared grief for those characters. The final battle was a bit clunky but also ludicrously short for the antagonists, I didn't need non-stop action but Vecna basically seemed invulnerable in The Sorcerer save for Will's powers, which did help here but the whole battle wrapped up ridiculously quickly for the character who's been murdering secondary characters for 5 seasons...
With that said, I think a bigger problem for this season was that season 4 essentially wrapped up character arches for every character. So it was difficult to extract any interesting emotional moments or sense of conflict from the characters themselves, and while it's understandable that they were fighting the big bad, some of the most interesting moments on the show came from the conflicts between these characters and the resolution therein.
I think Will's coming out was okay and important as a moment, but it could have been more interesting if the context shifted slightly and we actually had some real emotional stakes in addition to the sci fi world ending stakes. I think it was beautiful seeing his friends and family accept him but I also think dramatic television needs more the sunshine and rainbows, and you could still have made interesting stakes without it being about any of the main group not accepting him.
Overall I think it was a good, not great wrap up to the entire series - I will admit I got a bit emotional
over the final DnD session and the next set of kids coming in to continue the tradition, and I'm probably more inclined to be that way at the moment due to my own life shifts and growth moments currently occuring, but I'll still count it as a genuinely emotional ending for me.
At the end of the day, this series ran a long time. And while I don't think it quite stuck the landing, I still feel a fair bit of fondness for it and I would always recommend someone watch the first season if nothing else because it genuinely had a wonderful start. I watched the Duffer Brother's original sizzle reel today and that was a really cool look into their initial concept and the true love they had for the filmography of 80s sci fi and adventure.
 
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  • Yesterday at 10:31 PM
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I wanted to sit on it for a few days...

Season 5 ended up being really uneven for me.

Vol. 1 was honestly pretty solid. It took a bit to get going, but the tone felt right and it seemed like the show actually knew where it wanted to go. Then Vol. 2 happened, ruining the momentum. The story got messy, the focus shifted way too much to Holly instead of the characters we’ve grown to love, and everything became overly bloated, including forcing an important main character moment at the most awkward possible time.

The finale landed somewhere in the middle. There were definitely some fun moments and callbacks I enjoyed, and I did like the neat little bow of the last 10-15 minutes, but it leaned way too hard on fan service instead of telling a tighter, more meaningful story. Too much plot armor, no real stakes, things happening for "reasons" to move the story along. It felt less like a strong conclusion and more like the show giving everyone a victory lap, which is nice in theory, but not very satisfying.

Seemed like the writers were scared to make a decision that would upset the fans, tbh. The only meaningful death is left open to interpretation
 
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  • Yesterday at 11:32 PM
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Frogki said:
Now that I've watched and had some time to digest the ending, I want to preface this by saying that I am underwhelmed by the season as a whole.
As I stated previously, the Duffer Brothers wrote themselves into a corner and they were either unwilling or unable to write themselves out of it following Season 4.
With all that said, I didn't completely hate the ending. I have a lot of criticism for it but there are certainly worse ways it could have gone.
Do I believe that they could and should have condensed it based on those criticisms, absolutely. The final battle in the finale is basically what the ending was revolving around and it truly did not need the entirety of this season to carry it.
So many elements just didn't carry through. The military subplot really falls apart here, as it becomes sort of nonsensical. We literally forget about Max and Vickie, as well as Erica and Murray because they aren't needed for the main plot. Which seems to be a lot of the final episode to be honest.
I appreciate the ambiguous but tragic and slightly dark ending for Eleven. I do feel that if any character absolutely needed to have some sort of elimination, it was likely to be her. That was the original intent for Season 1, and it really fits her character overall. I felt Mike's character got flattened from the end of Season 1 onward, and this season was the same but the exception was the DnD ending and the story he came up with for Eleven. It was a touching and beautiful moment of shared grief for those characters. The final battle was a bit clunky but also ludicrously short for the antagonists, I didn't need non-stop action but Vecna basically seemed invulnerable in The Sorcerer save for Will's powers, which did help here but the whole battle wrapped up ridiculously quickly for the character who's been murdering secondary characters for 5 seasons...
With that said, I think a bigger problem for this season was that season 4 essentially wrapped up character arches for every character. So it was difficult to extract any interesting emotional moments or sense of conflict from the characters themselves, and while it's understandable that they were fighting the big bad, some of the most interesting moments on the show came from the conflicts between these characters and the resolution therein.
I think Will's coming out was okay and important as a moment, but it could have been more interesting if the context shifted slightly and we actually had some real emotional stakes in addition to the sci fi world ending stakes. I think it was beautiful seeing his friends and family accept him but I also think dramatic television needs more the sunshine and rainbows, and you could still have made interesting stakes without it being about any of the main group not accepting him.
Overall I think it was a good, not great wrap up to the entire series - I will admit I got a bit emotional
over the final DnD session and the next set of kids coming in to continue the tradition, and I'm probably more inclined to be that way at the moment due to my own life shifts and growth moments currently occuring, but I'll still count it as a genuinely emotional ending for me.
At the end of the day, this series ran a long time. And while I don't think it quite stuck the landing, I still feel a fair bit of fondness for it and I would always recommend someone watch the first season if nothing else because it genuinely had a wonderful start. I watched the Duffer Brother's original sizzle reel today and that was a really cool look into their initial concept and the true love they had for the filmography of 80s sci fi and adventure.
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you could have taken the last episode of season 5 and just add it to season 4 and you would have the perfect ending ( obviously write it so that it fits season 4, change a few things around)
season 4 almost had the perfect ending for the entire series if they had ended vecna then and there.
just add some of the action and final stuff from this last episode and it would have worked much better
( I say that because I loved season 4 and I loved the ending of season 4. that was perfect)

season 5 got kind of annoying and kind of ridiculous and kinda awful specifically because


every single creature just disappeared. they just, stopped existing. the bats? just don't exist, the demo dogs, nowhere. that almost felt insulting.
like insulting our intelligence.

and then they never did anything with the kids or really explained why vecna needed 12, the writers just couldn't bother.

and then the point of Will to tell everyone his secret was because vecna could use his secret to hurt him. so he has the big reveal in front of everyone ( which was important for will)

but the final fight was so short and so weak that vecna didn't have ANY time hurt will with his secret. the final fight is so clumsy and short that vecna barely had any time to react.
the whole thing is just so badly written.
it's just awful. that fight was too short. it was goofy.

the vecna of season 4 is not the same vecna as the one in season 5. no way. in terms of power, the writers really messed up. I know a lot of people are happy with the final episode but it felt like an insult by how badly written it was.
 
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Great finale for a pretty terrible lead up of episodes. I could just not get into eps 5, 6 and the first half of 7.

Episode 8 I was so happy with and thought it was a perfect send-off for these characters. I would've gone to the theater to see it had I known it would be nothing like the episodes that preceded it.

Thank you, Duffer Brothers!
 
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