I went to Seaworld when I was 7 and then did not know any better. I will not go to Sea world ever again. I am completely against Orcas (and dolphins) being kept in tanks unsuitable for them, because the only things suitable for them is miles upon miles of space, which is what they need. Seaworld is seen as the best of the best when it comes to dolphin and whale shows, and they still find it hard to be able to keep these animals. What do you think happens in a not so world class place that keeps these animals. There is no need AT ALL for these animals to be kept in aquariums/theme parks. They are purely there for our entertainment and its wrong. To them the tanks they are kept in is like what a bath tub is to us, small and claustrophobic. As I said before they need miles upon miles of space.
Seaworld also breeds orcas with mothers and sons and fathers and daughters etc. which would never ever happen in the wild and leads to problems and premature deaths. I understand that Seaworld try to keep their animals in the best way they can, but no way will that ever be enough. We should appreciate these animals for what they are and that is the top predator of the sea, and not something to be used in a show for our entertainment. Its wrong and unnecessary.
As for taking animals out of the wild, they are the reason it became fashionable to take them out the wild. As said above Tillikum was taken from the sea and it doesnt matter that it wasnt seaworld, it would still be leaving the wild in the same way, which is usually to secure the pod of whales in an area and let the trainers pick out the ones they want, which are pulled out of the sea and the rest are slaughtered, which is exactly what happens to the dolphins in japan to this day. Trainers from around the world go and pick out dolphins for their theme park shows and know that the dolphins that are not picked will be slaughtered. i just don't understand why it still goes on when the trainers supposedly care about these dolphins, but arent bothered that they are the reason thousands of dolphins a year are killed.
Today India has stated that there will be no whales and dolphins to be kept in captivity in the country because it is inhumane and the animals are classed as non-human persons. If a third world country can do this, which is 100% the best thing for the animals, then why cant we follow suit?
I get that the show is amazing and the animals look "happy" but believe me there are not. they should be swimming in the wild with 50 other orcas in their family pod. I totally commend Blackfish and I really hope it gets the attention it deserves, because as long as seaworld has orcas and dolphin, i will not be going.
Just thought I would share my thoughts....
...Meanwhile in Africa there is war and starving children
but fish are far more important
...Meanwhile in Africa there is war and starving children
but fish are far more important
Don't be that guy.
So do you just want Seaworld to shut up shop and release every animal they have into the wild, where they will be killed, either due to being unfamiliar with the wild, due to injury or lack of skills. Also add they would also stop their rescue program, leading to deaths of many animals.I went to Seaworld when I was 7 and then did not know any better. I will not go to Sea world ever again. I am completely against Orcas (and dolphins) being kept in tanks unsuitable for them, because the only things suitable for them is miles upon miles of space, which is what they need. Seaworld is seen as the best of the best when it comes to dolphin and whale shows, and they still find it hard to be able to keep these animals. What do you think happens in a not so world class place that keeps these animals. There is no need AT ALL for these animals to be kept in aquariums/theme parks. They are purely there for our entertainment and its wrong. To them the tanks they are kept in is like what a bath tub is to us, small and claustrophobic. As I said before they need miles upon miles of space.
This is actually avoided by sending animals to other parks. This happens in all major zoos they all work together. So they breed animals that are not related. Thats why you don't see babies staying in the parks for too long, as they get sent to another zoo for their breeding program.Seaworld also breeds orcas with mothers and sons and fathers and daughters etc. which would never ever happen in the wild and leads to problems and premature deaths. I understand that Seaworld try to keep their animals in the best way they can, but no way will that ever be enough. We should appreciate these animals for what they are and that is the top predator of the sea, and not something to be used in a show for our entertainment. Its wrong and unnecessary.
Bringing Japan into this is a useless argument. Japan are not big on saving the sea life. Every year they have a huge whaling season. They do this off the coast of Australia, New Zealand and down to Antarctica. They kill thousands of whales each year and claim it on scientific research. So bringing Japan into the mix is useless as they have a whole culture of it.As for taking animals out of the wild, they are the reason it became fashionable to take them out the wild. As said above Tillikum was taken from the sea and it doesnt matter that it wasnt seaworld, it would still be leaving the wild in the same way, which is usually to secure the pod of whales in an area and let the trainers pick out the ones they want, which are pulled out of the sea and the rest are slaughtered, which is exactly what happens to the dolphins in japan to this day. Trainers from around the world go and pick out dolphins for their theme park shows and know that the dolphins that are not picked will be slaughtered. i just don't understand why it still goes on when the trainers supposedly care about these dolphins, but arent bothered that they are the reason thousands of dolphins a year are killed.
There is a huge difference. In India there is not great care for their animals, they just don't have the money to support the parks. Just look at the amount of money Seaworld needs to support its operation. Now imagine trying to do that in an area filled with poverty. Sure they have rich areas but they don't have enough people with enough money to support parks and give them enough care.Today India has stated that there will be no whales and dolphins to be kept in captivity in the country because it is inhumane and the animals are classed as non-human persons. If a third world country can do this, which is 100% the best thing for the animals, then why cant we follow suit?
How would you know if they are happy, are you a whale/dolphin whisperer? Most of them don't know anything else. Also with their shows the animals are not made to perform, they chose to perform and are not forced in anyway. They do it because they like doing it. If they got released into the wild they wouldn't be in pods, they would be alone, as they never had a pod and they wouldn't know how to get along with the other whales. And if they really were not happy their would be a lot more human and animal deaths. One thing I find really stupid is the so called environmentalists who call for everyone to boycot the parks, so they go bankrupt and released the animals. If they were really environmentalists they would be getting more people to go there are if these animals are released there is a 100% chance they will die.I get that the show is amazing and the animals look "happy" but believe me there are not. they should be swimming in the wild with 50 other orcas in their family pod. I totally commend Blackfish and I really hope it gets the attention it deserves, because as long as seaworld has orcas and dolphin, i will not be going.
So why is it then that people are targeting Seaworld? Seaworld isn't the one killing/taking animals, they are the ones rescuing and healing them, and releasing what they can. The animals they have can NOT be released into the wild, they will DIE. I'm not saying that taking animals out of the wild is right, but I'm also not going to target a company that's not responsible for it, especially when they're the ones trying to help, and the only one that's revenue goes to a nationally known cause instead of just into corporate pockets like Disney.
Well then with this, shouldn't then every zoo in the world that has captive animals be just as guilty as what you are saying?
So do you just want Seaworld to shut up shop and release every animal they have into the wild, where they will be killed, either due to being unfamiliar with the wild, due to injury or lack of skills. Also add they would also stop their rescue program, leading to deaths of many animals.
This is actually avoided by sending animals to other parks. This happens in all major zoos they all work together. So they breed animals that are not related. Thats why you don't see babies staying in the parks for too long, as they get sent to another zoo for their breeding program.
Bringing Japan into this is a useless argument. Japan are not big on saving the sea life. Every year they have a huge whaling season. They do this off the coast of Australia, New Zealand and down to Antarctica. They kill thousands of whales each year and claim it on scientific research. So bringing Japan into the mix is useless as they have a whole culture of it.
There is a huge difference. In India there is not great care for their animals, they just don't have the money to support the parks. Just look at the amount of money Seaworld needs to support its operation. Now imagine trying to do that in an area filled with poverty. Sure they have rich areas but they don't have enough people with enough money to support parks and give them enough care.
How would you know if they are happy, are you a whale/dolphin whisperer? Most of them don't know anything else. Also with their shows the animals are not made to perform, they chose to perform and are not forced in anyway. They do it because they like doing it. If they got released into the wild they wouldn't be in pods, they would be alone, as they never had a pod and they wouldn't know how to get along with the other whales. And if they really were not happy their would be a lot more human and animal deaths. One thing I find really stupid is the so called environmentalists who call for everyone to boycot the parks, so they go bankrupt and released the animals. If they were really environmentalists they would be getting more people to go there are if these animals are released there is a 100% chance they will die.
No because world class zoos are able to keep a lion or a panda or rhino etc etc in their natural habitat. Obviously there are zoos in the world who should be shut down immediately, but some zoos need credit for what they do, which is create breeding programmes for endangered animals (orcas are not classed as endangered) and provide excellent care for their animals. Seaworld do not keep orcas in there natural habitat, and they also keep certain orcas alone in pools (which is extremely unnatural). However, because of how unnatural their environment is, captive bred orcas have created a new behaviour, which is to bully other whales, which in the wild never happens and can cause. In a world class zoo, unnatural behaviour like this does not happen and especially as extreme as this.
I just dont think whales and dolphins should be in captivity and especially not in shows.
Being kept in a small tank (which to them is what we feel like in a bath tub),
Definitely a loaded topic here...one great and bad thing about humans is the fact we feel and care for other humans and living creatures.
But one personal issue I've always had is people speaking out on "behalf" of the animal, like the animal told them something, or they know what they are feeling.
Any of you speaking out against what Seaworld does, do any of you have any pets at home? Dogs, Cats, Birds, Fish?....if you do, then you practice the EXACT SAME philosophy of Seaworld, which is to love, care, and entertain an animal, make it feel loved, and let it know it is safe with you.
How do you know the animals at Seaworld don't feel safe and feel loved? I'm sure the Dolphins in the feeding pool LOOOOOOOVE being fed every 15 minutes and never going hungry. I'm sure the Orcas, mother, fathers, and children LOVE being able to be with their family at all times and not be worried about being split from their pod.
Don't think with a narrow frame of mind, and understand Seaworld cares....those Japanese sailors with the Dolphins, those are the people you go after, but not Seaworld.
And the main reason why Tillikum was kept is because he was literally one of the best breeder orcas in the country...you think he's complaining about that?!
Cats and dogs are domesticated creatures, which is the main point orcas are not domesticated and never should be. these animals should be in the wild for us to ponder at and look at in amazement, not for us to be entertained by them doing tricks in a swimming pool.
It is not natural for a dolphin to eat that way. I'm sure they are not complaining, but again they are learning unnatural behaviours. The problem is at Seaworld the orcas do not have a pod in the way they would in the wild. I said before that sometimes they are kept in pools by themselves and also if certain orcas are kept together they begin bullying the weakest orca. so there is no part of family life at seaworld for the orcas, except when a mother is with her calf.
The question is that why are they still using him to breed with?! He killed a trainer. his instincts will be passed down to all his calves and please remember that Tillikum was taken from the wild. He is still wild at heart and no amount of training will change that.
Haha i need to stay off this thread... Just something I dont agree with guys
Dogs are domesticated creatures NOW, but they are wild animals at heart as well, have many wild instincts too. My point being is if you care for the animal, feed, it, love it, nurse it to heath and everything, that is not a bad thing right? The trainers at SW have that kind of relationship, and even more so with the ones bred in captivity.
And again, all of the orcas and dolphins that are bred in captivity guess what...are domesticated! Releasing them into the wild they will DIE, Tillikum yes was wild, but he's the only wild orca in captivity now and he's had 2 incidents, and no more are captured no longer for the parks.
And you can see marks on a lot of the Dolphins