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Epic Universe Expansion Speculation

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rageofthegods said:
I trust James, he's number Wan in my book.
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Whatever he can come up with has to be better than what Dark Universe had planned for Gil-Man.
 
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Whatever he can come up with has to be better than what Dark Universe had planned for Gil-Man.
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Now I'm morbidly curious...
 
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I'm really looking forward for the theater expansion next to the Atlantic restaurant.

If I'm being honest, Buck Show and Paris Show capacity was quite limited than expected, and some of people weren't made to inside of theater even though they waited in line due to one-floor seating capacity instead of a multi-floor seating option that Beijing's majestic theater has. But once they build a scale of a 3 floor MAIN theater as California Adventure's Hyperion or Universal's Beijing Majestic Theater, it will definitely improve the park's capacity and lack of current offerings issue. Currently, Epic desperately needs indoor attractions due to the weather as well.

Also, I believe that theme parks just can't be all about rides. To be a modern world-class theme park, there needs to be a diverse and balanced offering as unique food experiences, interactions, kinetic factors, shows, unexpected entertainment options. And that's one of the factors that Epic Universe is typically doing better than other theme parks already.

Imagine this. You paid 160 dollars for just to be at the theme park to prioritize riding the attraction. But experiencing 160 bucks worth of Broadway-level scale show unexpectedly in a theme park would make quite of impression and improve guest satisfaction drastically. Making guests feel like it's worth of buck to visit with this main show alone, giving audiences different E ticket options than waiting in excessively long lines for E ticket attractions (One of the biggest complaints Epic has these days)

If they complete their main show theater(more than a 1500 seats) on the expansion pad and put new shows like USJ's Wicked, CA's Aladdin, Or utilize Universal's original IP on a big scale. It will be a huge factor of revisitability for Epic and put Celestial Park on another level for a main hub offering.

I mean, look at those theaters. It would be awesome to have this scale of show offering in Epic!
And I would be pretty disappointed if they build a typical event soundstage instead of this.
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simon said:
I'm really looking forward for the theater expansion next to the Atlantic restaurant.

If I'm being honest, Buck Show and Paris Show capacity was quite limited than expected, and some of people weren't made to inside of theater even though they waited in line due to one-floor seating capacity instead of a multi-floor seating option that Beijing's majestic theater has. But once they build a scale of a 3 floor MAIN theater as California Adventure's Hyperion or Universal's Beijing Majestic Theater, it will definitely improve the park's capacity and lack of current offerings issue. Currently, Epic desperately needs indoor attractions due to the weather as well.

Also, I believe that theme parks just can't be all about rides. To be a modern world-class theme park, there needs to be a diverse and balanced offering as unique food experiences, interactions, kinetic factors, shows, unexpected entertainment options. And that's one of the factors that Epic Universe is typically doing better than other theme parks already.

Imagine this. You paid 160 dollars for just to be at the theme park to prioritize riding the attraction. But experiencing 160 bucks worth of Broadway-level scale show unexpectedly in a theme park would make quite of impression and improve guest satisfaction drastically. Making guests feel like it's worth of buck to visit with this main show alone, giving audiences different E ticket options than waiting in excessively long lines for E ticket attractions (One of the biggest complaints Epic has these days)

If they complete their main show theater(more than a 1500 seats) on the expansion pad and put new shows like USJ's Wicked, CA's Aladdin, Or utilize Universal's original IP on a big scale. It will be a huge factor of revisitability for Epic and put Celestial Park on another level for a main hub offering.

I mean, look at those theaters. It would be awesome to have this scale of show offering in Epic!
And I would be pretty disappointed if they build a typical event soundstage instead of this.
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Removing Aladdin from DCA is arguably the worst attraction removal in theme park history (up there with original Imagination) Easily the best stage show in any theme park ever.

I think Untrainable is a solid show, but I do wish for longer 30-45 minute productions in Orlando. The parks certainly need it, but like you mentioned, require large theaters to justify longer runtimes. I don't agree entirely with the idea of the standard guest having low attentions spans, resulting in shows being shrunk down to less than 20 minutes. If the show is great, people will pay attention.
 
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UniversalRBLX said:
Removing Aladdin from DCA is arguably the worst attraction removal in theme park history (up there with original Imagination) Easily the best stage show in any theme park ever.

I think Untrainable is a solid show, but I do wish for longer 30-45 minute productions in Orlando. The parks certainly need it, but like you mentioned, require large theaters to justify longer runtimes. I don't agree entirely with the idea of the standard guest having low attentions spans, resulting in shows being shrunk down to less than 20 minutes. If the show is great, people will pay attention.
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Exactly, showtime for Aladdin was 45 min.
 
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UniversalRBLX said:
Removing Aladdin from DCA is arguably the worst attraction removal in theme park history (up there with original Imagination) Easily the best stage show in any theme park ever.

I think Untrainable is a solid show, but I do wish for longer 30-45 minute productions in Orlando. The parks certainly need it, but like you mentioned, require large theaters to justify longer runtimes. I don't agree entirely with the idea of the standard guest having low attentions spans, resulting in shows being shrunk down to less than 20 minutes. If the show is great, people will pay attention.
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40 minutes is pushing it in a theme park setting nowadays in my opinion.
 
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OrlLover said:
40 minutes is pushing it in a theme park setting nowadays in my opinion.
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Not every theme park show needs to be 40-45 minutes, but I'd like 1 or 2 at the resort. With the right concept, a 45 minute show will be popular. If we do end up getting Wicked at the parks in a form of a stage show, I can't imagine a 18-min show will do the IP justice.
 
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simon said:
Imagine this. You paid 160 dollars for just to be at the theme park to prioritize riding the attraction. But experiencing 160 bucks worth of Broadway-level scale show unexpectedly in a theme park would make quite of impression and improve guest satisfaction drastically. Making guests feel like it's worth of buck to visit with this main show alone, giving audiences different E ticket options than waiting in excessively long lines for E ticket attractions (One of the biggest complaints Epic has these days)
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I think it's a cool idea that runs into some major issues when put into practice.
  • The expansion soundstage is roughly 40k sq ft while the Hyperion is 58k, that's nearly 50% bigger. 40k is still 2x the size of a USF SS so it's not counting out a show here, I just don't think a huge venue is in the cards which causes issues with capacity.
  • These shows require a huge amount of operational staffing. We're talking staff inside and outside the theater plus those needed for actually running the show.
  • Orlando's market is poor for getting acting talent. Look, I love Robyn but how many people will willing to relocate to central Orlando for slim acting gigs?
  • So we have a 2000 guest theater, so where do they GO? That's a massive queue for folks. And don't tell me they won't line up before hand, they did for Hyperion!
  • Disney has been cutting down their staged shows because folks walk out on long shows (anything over 20 minutes or so). Hell, folks were jumping out of UoE! I believe that longer shows at theme parks just aren't doable right now as guests reject them.
The closest thing the domestics park came to Broadway in the parks is The Power of Blast! from Epcot/DCA. (FWIW I loved that show)

But if you're going to do it then let's aim for the sky: Maybe Happy Ending permanent install at Epic Universe. Hwaboon is now a Celestian.

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Exactly, showtime for Aladdin was 45 min.
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I went to DCA several times when Aladdin was in the Hyperion and never saw it. Why? It would only run on weekends or seasonally during the week. So even if the show is shorter the staffing needed to cover it causes the issues.
 
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Parkscope Joe said:
Orlando's market is poor for getting acting talent. Look, I love Robyn but how many people will willing to relocate to central Orlando for slim acting gigs?
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It’s Florida not Nebraska.

People literally move here just to be closer to the Disney parks.
 
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OrlLover said:
It’s Florida not Nebraska.

People literally move here just to be closer to the Disney parks.
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There’s a difference between lifestylers who move to Orlando to go to Disney more frequently and performers looking for work. Acting in Orlando is no performer’s dream. Orlando is, frankly, unlikely to be a top three location for aspiring actors (New York, LA, and probably Atlanta/Chicago).

Orlando is viewed as a hopeful stepping stone gig but often a not good enough consolation prize.
 
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The other issue with Universal’s entertainment is that it’s non-Equity. It can make a difference in the caliber of performers who choose to or can perform for them.
 
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Legacy said:
There’s a difference between lifestylers who move to Orlando to go to Disney more frequently and performers looking for work. Acting in Orlando is no performer’s dream. Orlando is, frankly, unlikely to be a top three location for aspiring actors (New York, LA, and probably Atlanta/Chicago).

Orlando is viewed as a hopeful stepping stone gig but often a not good enough consolation prize.
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See: the failure of "the east coast Hollywood" with the original USF and Disney-MGM Studios concepts. I think there's a lot of dancers but not necessarily the other on and off stage tallent.
 
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I think it's a cool idea that runs into some major issues when put into practice.
  • The expansion soundstage is roughly 40k sq ft while the Hyperion is 58k, that's nearly 50% bigger. 40k is still 2x the size of a USF SS so it's not counting out a show here, I just don't think a huge venue is in the cards which causes issues with capacity.
  • These shows require a huge amount of operational staffing. We're talking staff inside and outside the theater plus those needed for actually running the show.
  • Orlando's market is poor for getting acting talent. Look, I love Robyn but how many people will willing to relocate to central Orlando for slim acting gigs?
  • So we have a 2000 guest theater, so where do they GO? That's a massive queue for folks. And don't tell me they won't line up before hand, they did for Hyperion!
  • Disney has been cutting down their staged shows because folks walk out on long shows (anything over 20 minutes or so). Hell, folks were jumping out of UoE! I believe that longer shows at theme parks just aren't doable right now as guests reject them.
The closest thing the domestics park came to Broadway in the parks is The Power of Blast! from Epcot/DCA. (FWIW I loved that show)

But if you're going to do it then let's aim for the sky: Maybe Happy Ending permanent install at Epic Universe. Hwaboon is now a Celestian.



I went to DCA several times when Aladdin was in the Hyperion and never saw it. Why? It would only run on weekends or seasonally during the week. So even if the show is shorter the staffing needed to cover it causes the issues.
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I disagree with the assumption that large scale theater productions are impractical or undesirable in today’s theme park landscape. While operational concerns such as staffing, space, and guest behavior are real, they are not insurmountable and more importantly, they overlook the evolving expectations of modern parkgoers. Epic Universe is being positioned as a next-generation theme park. Limiting its potential based on outdated assumptions about show length or guest patience undercuts the very ambition that defines the project.

First, dismissing the 40k sq ft soundstage as insufficient is shortsighted. With intelligent design and vertical space optimization, a three floor theater seating 1,500–2,000 guests is entirely feasible within that footprint. Beijing’s Majestic Theater proves that Universal can build and operate a high-capacity show venue successfully even in a market with logistical challenges. Also, the argument that Orlando lacks acting talent is reductive. Orlando is home to one of the largest entertainment-based economies in the U.S., supported by a robust pipeline from theme parks, cruise lines, and regional theater circuits. With the right contracts and visibility, Epic could attract performers nationally. Talent scarcity is a solvable problem, not a creative limitation.(I mean current telants on existing show in epic and bourne are already good enough for a theme park. I haven’t seen much of negative reviews cause of their acting). Guest are typically doesn’t have a expectation to see LA or New York standards of professional performer in a florida themepark.

And suggesting that guests won’t sit through longer shows is contradicted by the enduring success of 20+ min attractions like Festival of the Lion King, Aladdin and even Bourne Stuntacular. What guests reject is low effort filler, not a high quality spectacle. A Broadway scale show, especially with an original Universal IP or adaptation like Wicked, would provide tremendous value and likely become one of the park's defining experiences. Finally, the idea that people “won’t line up” for a theater show ignores guest behavior entirely. Visitors lined up for quite long time for Fantasmic, Hyperion. Also, the capacity of two shows in Epic is always full and it's highly demanding. Because they offered something unique, memorable, and communal. A theater of this scale would not only help manage capacity but also serve as a signature offering that elevates Celestial Park’s identity from “hub” to “destination.”

I can make a simplified answer on the statement about cutting down their staged shows: Disney has been cutting down their staged shows, because they're being CHEAP and they've been cutting tons of entertainment offerings and park services since 2021. Not because guests walk out during long shows mainly and I'm not sure most of the guests like their current direction.

If Epic Universe is going to compete globally, it must think bigger, not retreat to operational conservatism. A worldclass theme park isn’t built on excuses. It’s built on bold ideas done well, and a full scale, permanent theater show can be exactly that.

About your last comment, I'm not sure which season you went but Aladdin show in Hyperion usually operated daily, with four showtimes per day. Mostly at full capacity. The Hyperion show was often enough to prove the show's popularity and operational success. Universal could absolutely replicate this kind of performance model at Epic Universe with the right creative and logistical approach. I mean, as I said again, they already have a severe capacity issue and there aren't many attractions to cover the intended park's capacity (most of the rides besides Unchained have 70+ lines typically, it's Epic Universe's biggest complaints on guest experience). They need high high-capacity crowd eater soon as possible.
 
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