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At this point I have very, very low expectations for anything that is Disney Star Wars (Except Mando). Considering that the show was pretty decent. Didn't like Inquisitor Reva's character though.
What do you mean? It's a complex character that was a youngling turned inquisitor. I think she knocks it out of the park. I'm sick of all the negativity. I thouroughly enjoyed both episodes. Great story telling. The problem with the fandom is they can never be pleased.
What do you mean? It's a complex character that was a youngling turned inquisitor. I think she knocks it out of the park. I'm sick of all the negativity. I thouroughly enjoyed both episodes. Great story telling. The problem with the fandom is they can never be pleased.
Looks at Clone Wars finale season, Mando and Rogue One
No the Fandom sometimes has standards, which I like not everything is good and its ok to point out the meh and bad.
It's hard with a show like this when no one cares about a new character, this story was suppose to be about Obi Wan and Vader. We have ZERO need for other villains, I hope this characters story turns out better but the jumping on roof tops scene is soooo prequels, they dont even fight so thats pointless to show all the angles of them running. Also people unable to catch a kid is also stupid
Easily could have not cast Flee and just had someone grab her from behind and then she wakes up someone where else but no......gotta show the bad guys being stupid for some reason
I want to make this VERY CLEAR for when I post about Star Wars. I do not consider myself part of the “Fandom”. I do not read the books, I do not watch animation, and I do not read comics. When I watch a Star Wars show/movie, I’m not even looking at how it fits within the canon, I’m looking more to judge a project almost solely independent of the canon. I look at it from more of a casual viewer POV and judge based each project on it’s own.
When I watch a movie or show, i’m Looking for a dose of Star Wars content while being entertained. TROS was crap. But guess what? I LOVE The Last Jedi. I love it when Star Wars actually, ya know, does different things, which is why I’m looking forward to Andor so much. It looks like it’s going to be an actual war story.
There’s only so much different that can be done in an Obi-Wan/Vader series and I feel they are exploring it so far. Some of you seem to want them to blow their load in the first two episodes and just have the whole series be Obi Wan and Vader jerking each other off. That was never going to happen. This is the appetizer before the main course.
Episode One was extremely slow and could've honestly used the recap to of been separately released. Episode two outside of Reva, felt like a day/night improvement in quality.
And echoing @darkridelover, the child actress who plays that character shines much more in Episode Two than she does with episode one. Guessing it helps having a co-lead who's willing to work alongside a child like that.
What do you mean? It's a complex character that was a youngling turned inquisitor. I think she knocks it out of the park. I'm sick of all the negativity. I thouroughly enjoyed both episodes. Great story telling. The problem with the fandom is they can never be pleased.
I did not care for her excessive insubordination and erratic behavior. Her character is a perfect example of a Try-hard. It felt forced and unnatural just to make her stand out as a character.
Leia’s insight and wisdom into her cousin seemed too advanced for age also. But then again, she could’ve learned that from her parents/word of mouth. I also don't have children so I don't know how wise a child that age can get but I would think the chances are very low due to a few factors. Her outrunning adults with ease was pretty ridiculous too. Like others have said, her character does shine in EP 2 though.
Other that that I enjoyed the show and the story so far and look forward to future episodes.
Part of the issue is that Leia is said to be 10. Like only a year younger than the boys in Stranger Things season 1 or the trio in Sorcerer's Stone. Instead, this actress plays as a precocious 6 year-old (I don't know her true age). I think her sassy contrarian streak might play better if she appeared closer to the correct age.
1. Too much time spent on the speeder back and forth from the meat packing facility. What was the point of all that. To show how broken Obi was? Once scene would have been enough.
2. Too much time traveling back and forth over the sands.
3. The Inquisitors really didn't seem that scary except for Reva which I guess will somehow turn out to be better then we think down the road (just guessing). I mean, they just did a few verbal threats. I expected a few bodies at least.
4. Second episode was nice to see some new places, but sooooooo much running in the woods. Come on, can't some grown men (including Obi later) catch a little girl?
5. The princess - not a good role model for my grandchildren. (lots of talking back with little consequences)
6. I so want a L0-LA59 (LOLA), but it would have to hover...
7. Grand inquisitor - not so grand. Wife and I both so that coming.. "watch and learn...oh yea...."
8. The "Jedi" - sort of unrealistic that he would put his life on the line.
We cancelled our Disney+ subscription but it runs till November so not sure if we get to see any more episodes or not.
Not criticizing individual actors or actresses here, but I agree with many of the takes here. For me, it particularly suffers in retrospect due to the masterclass in performances in season 4 of Stranger Things (if Sadie Sink doesn't get an Oscar, it will be a travesty). While obviously a bit older, the kids in Stranger Things never came off as frustrating or annoying and I have absolutely been constantly annoyed with the precocious spoiled character (not actress as she's playing a role). There's nothing endearing about it for me, and people who think it's cute haven't had to deal with that kind of attitude in a real kid.
I posted this for friends (I probably wouldn't post it on Reddit), but it does encapsulate a lot of my thoughts on the show.
Good:
The opening scene of Order 66 was sufficiently tense.
Macgregor's acting. He's doing a much better job at the tortured and bitter Jedi than Hamill. There's just too much good stuff to name in that area.
The show works great in small moments, like with the Jawa in the cave, or harvesting meat. I dig the small characterizations throughout.
General set design is fantastic. There were occasional inconsistencies with background comping, but overall it was good world building.
The clone veteran scene was a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one. Not necessarily because I like the prequels, but because it did a better job of showing the cruelty of the Empire than a lot of other moments of the show. Part of what made the Clone Wars a good show is because it showed the horrors of war and the disposable attitude towards the clones in general.
The side characters, especially Lars and Organa, are great. I was even won over by the fake Jedi as a comedy character (and I realize that's controversial).
Bad:
The antagonists are once again not competent in any way, shape, or form. Why did the Inquisitors let that Jedi get away so easily at the beginning by pulling down a tarp? And I didn't think it was to lead them back to Obi-Wan because they clearly killed him before that. The level of threat is simply not here.
What the heck was up with the shaky cam in the desert scene where Obi-Wan meets the Jedi on the run?
We just got the exact same story in The Mandalorian of the lone wolf and cub story. This is really, really, cheap to me.
I dislike Leia's character. She's beyond annoying. I get that's intentional, but it's frustrating when movies and shows intentionally create problems with lack of communication. If she's so smart and perceptive, why couldn't she figure out Obi-Wan is a Jedi? It's logically inconsistent for her to suddenly run away because a planet full of thugs makes him a wanted man.
Why can no one catch Leia? She's a kid.
Why is Leia suddenly convinced he's a Jedi because of the Force lift? That makes no sense and the pacing of her being convinced he's good was awful.
Meh:
Reva is "fine" but she's not very menacing in the way the other Inquisitors are (and they aren't particularly dangerous). I'm not sure I like her yet. The whole plot thread could still land for me. The setup is good, but it's harder for me to feel threatened by a "punk edgelord" (which is the same criticism I would level at Christiansen's performance of Anakin in the prequels). The script probably deserves the bulk of blame here and it's hammy and not in a way that resonates with me.
Sometimes in the city it was clear it was the same set from different angles. I stand by it being great set design nonetheless.
The rooftop chase felt forced at times and had low stakes, like a certain casino segment in another mainstream trilogy movie.
Maybe there were people who could put two and two together about Vader, but I assumed they would have to know Vader and Palpatine before, so I don't buy that anyone else knew unless they explain that later. I'll let that play out first.
One of the core issues with dealing with the mainstream characters is you know how it ends, so the tension is lessened. The plot armor does work against this show, and that's part of why The Mandalorian works; (almost) anything could happen. This show will be moreso about the journey than the destination. That's not bad, but it does lower the tension for me.
I like/dislike the music somehow, even though I liked Loki's soundtrack. Sometimes it's The Mandalorian (Inquisitor theme) and sometimes John Williams (the rest). It just feels tonally inconsistent. Not that it's bad, but sometimes it does take me out of it.
I know it's nitpicky, but I don't think anything here is unfair. Overall, it's enjoyable, but there's things that take me out of the experience more often than I like. I still have hope some of the rough edges get sanded out because the journey could be great.
Not criticizing individual actors or actresses here, but I agree with many of the takes here. For me, it particularly suffers in retrospect due to the masterclass in performances in season 4 of Stranger Things (if Sadie Sink doesn't get an Oscar, it will be a travesty). While obviously a bit older, the kids in Stranger Things never came off as frustrating or annoying and I have absolutely been constantly annoyed with the precocious spoiled character (not actress as she's playing a role). There's nothing endearing about it for me, and people who think it's cute haven't had to deal with that kind of attitude in a real kid.
I posted this for friends (I probably wouldn't post it on Reddit), but it does encapsulate a lot of my thoughts on the show.
Good:
The opening scene of Order 66 was sufficiently tense.
Macgregor's acting. He's doing a much better job at the tortured and bitter Jedi than Hamill. There's just too much good stuff to name in that area.
The show works great in small moments, like with the Jawa in the cave, or harvesting meat. I dig the small characterizations throughout.
General set design is fantastic. There were occasional inconsistencies with background comping, but overall it was good world building.
The clone veteran scene was a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one. Not necessarily because I like the prequels, but because it did a better job of showing the cruelty of the Empire than a lot of other moments of the show. Part of what made the Clone Wars a good show is because it showed the horrors of war and the disposable attitude towards the clones in general.
The side characters, especially Lars and Organa, are great. I was even won over by the fake Jedi as a comedy character (and I realize that's controversial).
Bad:
The antagonists are once again not competent in any way, shape, or form. Why did the Inquisitors let that Jedi get away so easily at the beginning by pulling down a tarp? And I didn't think it was to lead them back to Obi-Wan because they clearly killed him before that. The level of threat is simply not here.
What the heck was up with the shaky cam in the desert scene where Obi-Wan meets the Jedi on the run?
We just got the exact same story in The Mandalorian of the lone wolf and cub story. This is really, really, cheap to me.
I dislike Leia's character. She's beyond annoying. I get that's intentional, but it's frustrating when movies and shows intentionally create problems with lack of communication. If she's so smart and perceptive, why couldn't she figure out Obi-Wan is a Jedi? It's logically inconsistent for her to suddenly run away because a planet full of thugs makes him a wanted man.
Why can no one catch Leia? She's a kid.
Why is Leia suddenly convinced he's a Jedi because of the Force lift? That makes no sense and the pacing of her being convinced he's good was awful.
Meh:
Reva is "fine" but she's not very menacing in the way the other Inquisitors are (and they aren't particularly dangerous). I'm not sure I like her yet. The whole plot thread could still land for me. The setup is good, but it's harder for me to feel threatened by a "punk edgelord" (which is the same criticism I would level at Christiansen's performance of Anakin in the prequels). The script probably deserves the bulk of blame here and it's hammy and not in a way that resonates with me.
Sometimes in the city it was clear it was the same set from different angles. I stand by it being great set design nonetheless.
The rooftop chase felt forced at times and had low stakes, like a certain casino segment in another mainstream trilogy movie.
Maybe there were people who could put two and two together about Vader, but I assumed they would have to know Vader and Palpatine before, so I don't buy that anyone else knew unless they explain that later. I'll let that play out first.
One of the core issues with dealing with the mainstream characters is you know how it ends, so the tension is lessened. The plot armor does work against this show, and that's part of why The Mandalorian works; (almost) anything could happen. This show will be moreso about the journey than the destination. That's not bad, but it does lower the tension for me.
I like/dislike the music somehow, even though I liked Loki's soundtrack. Sometimes it's The Mandalorian (Inquisitor theme) and sometimes John Williams (the rest). It just feels tonally inconsistent. Not that it's bad, but sometimes it does take me out of it.
I know it's nitpicky, but I don't think anything here is unfair. Overall, it's enjoyable, but there's things that take me out of the experience more often than I like. I still have hope some of the rough edges get sanded out because the journey could be great.
She wasn’t talking back though. She didn’t believe he was actually a Jedi and thought he, too, was trying to kidnap her.
It also fit with the character we see 10 years later in A New Hope. A feisty woman who doesn’t like being manhandled and can handle things herself. A born leader.
So I liked most of the episode and then the end happened. Not exactly sure how I feel.
As I said, I liked almost all of this episode and I thought the stuff with Leia was better done and we stopped running around finally. I loved the scene where Leia was asking about her mom or if he was her father.
Stupid storm troopers predictably will be stupid.
However the ending needs to be discussed. Everything was great until the last few minutes. Vader burning Obi-Wan the same way Obi-Wan did to Anakin (essentially), except Vader is powerful enough to control the fire and make his suffering last long, which is why he didn’t kill him having the chance to do so.
What I think took me out of the episode was how Obi-Wan was somehow saved by blowing up the circuit or whatever. They had literally JUST showed Vader controlling fire with force powers and now all of a sudden he can’t? That’s it? He could’ve EASILY used the force to part the fire, walk through it, pick up Ben, say some epic line, and end the show with Obi-Wan catching his breath on the ground as Vader walks off.
This is supposed to be PEAK Vader we’re seeing and Obi-Wan is struggling with the force after detaching himself from it. This isn’t even a fair fight I feel like, but the writers are in a bind because he can’t die, so they had to basically do the thing Marvel does with Captain Marvel and underpower him so it’s a fair fight.
So I liked most of the episode and then the end happened. Not exactly sure how I feel.
As I said, I liked almost all of this episode and I thought the stuff with Leia was better done and we stopped running around finally. I loved the scene where Leia was asking about her mom or if he was her father.
Stupid storm troopers predictably will be stupid.
However the ending needs to be discussed. Everything was great until the last few minutes. Vader burning Obi-Wan the same way Obi-Wan did to Anakin (essentially), except Vader is powerful enough to control the fire and make his suffering last long, which is why he didn’t kill him having the chance to do so.
What I think took me out of the episode was how Obi-Wan was somehow saved by blowing up the circuit or whatever. They had literally JUST showed Vader controlling fire with force powers and now all of a sudden he can’t? That’s it? He could’ve EASILY used the force to part the fire, walk through it, pick up Ben, say some epic line, and end the show with Obi-Wan catching his breath on the ground as Vader walks off.
This is supposed to be PEAK Vader we’re seeing and Obi-Wan is struggling with the force after detaching himself from it. This isn’t even a fair fight I feel like, but the writers are in a bind because he can’t die, so they had to basically do the thing Marvel does with Captain Marvel and underpower him so it’s a fair fight.
I understand it can be the limitations of the Vader suit….but you compare this fight with the fight at the end of RotS and it’s like…”really? That’s it?”. Vader should be going all out with anger and rage. He’s been waiting 10 years for this moment, but he looks like he’s just waving the saber around gently.
Though I guess it can be argued that he didn’t want to actually kill him so he might have been toying with him, but I was hoping for something more epic. Hoping that comes in the finale.
I understand it can be the limitations of the Vader suit….but you compare this fight with the fight at the end of RotS and it’s like…”really? That’s it?”. Vader should be going all out with anger and rage. He’s been waiting 10 years for this moment, but he looks like he’s just waving the saber around gently.
Though I guess it can be argued that he didn’t want to actually kill him so he might have been toying with him, but I was hoping for something more epic. Hoping that comes in the finale.
Yeah, I think we’ll see something more like that from Vader in later episodes. It’s 2022, there has to be a way to at least make it look like Vader is going HAM in the suit even if maybe Hayden wasn’t actually wearing the suit and they did Mocap on a stunt double in order for more mobility?
She wasn’t talking back though. She didn’t believe he was actually a Jedi and thought he, too, was trying to kidnap her.
It also fit with the character we see 10 years later in A New Hope. A feisty woman who doesn’t like being manhandled and can handle things herself. A born leader.
So that's what bothered me. To expand a bit more, this is a kid smart enough to grasp galactic politics, but she decides to run off from the guy who rescues her because she's not smart enough to get the vibe of the planet she's on when she was just kidnapped and brought to a drug lab against her will. Then in episode 3, we have Obi-Wan explaining to her that not everyone is good and she's ready to trust some random on the road instead of the guy who rescued her. She also still thinks the Empire is good. If she believed that, why didn't she run to them in the last episode? She had a bunch of opportunities to do so. She then sort of apologizes for running away and says she was just playing as if to excuse the entire dramatic plot of the last episode. How did she not grasp the stakes from earlier?
I understand what they are trying to do, but it just doesn't work well for me. The core issue for me is they are trying to make her seem very smart when it's convenient and revert to kid logic when the plot demands it. It makes the hard knock lessons feel unearned and the pacing and dialog do feel like they are a frustrating disservice to Leia's character.
(Also, agreed with the Vader stuff. It kind of makes his "Now I am the master." dialog in A New Hope worse in retrospect.)
Much better episode then the first two
The kid felt much better and more natural to the story and had better dialogue as well
Vader was brutal this episode, yes he didn't move as much as maybe we'd like but I loved him trying to burn Obi Wan alive...I mean thats both sick and genius to me
Also Vader has like 10 times let people go to track them....in New Hope, kinda in Empire, Rebels, the Comics'books and even in old canon like Force Unleashed. He wants to see if Obi Wan is working for anyone and kill them all...I mean he might only kill them and torture Obi Wan for years before letting him die.
So that's what bothered me. To expand a bit more, this is a kid smart enough to grasp galactic politics, but she decides to run off from the guy who rescues her because she's not smart enough to get the vibe of the planet she's on when she was just kidnapped and brought to a drug lab against her will. Then in episode 3, we have Obi-Wan explaining to her that not everyone is good and she's ready to trust some random on the road instead of the guy who rescued her. She also still thinks the Empire is good. If she believed that, why didn't she run to them in the last episode? She had a bunch of opportunities to do so. She then sort of apologizes for running away and says she was just playing as if to excuse the entire dramatic plot of the last episode. How did she not grasp the stakes from earlier?
I understand what they are trying to do, but it just doesn't work well for me. The core issue for me is they are trying to make her seem very smart when it's convenient and revert to kid logic when the plot demands it. It makes the hard knock lessons feel unearned and the pacing and dialog do feel like they are a frustrating disservice to Leia's character.
(Also, agreed with the Vader stuff. It kind of makes his "Now I am the master." dialog in A New Hope worse in retrospect.)
I do think it makes sense that she wouldn’t know a lot about the Rebellion nor the Empire given she’s lived all of her live on Alderaan where they don’t have these issues. When he had to explain to her that not everyone is good, I was a bit confused as well, but maybe what they were going for last week was not someone who thought Obi-Wan was bad, but she was sincerely just being a bit entitled/bratty because she’s grown her whole life so far as a princess a on Alderaan?
Overall though, I do think I actually like the character overall and I definitely like the actress portraying the role, and tbh, it’s very rare that I enjoy child actors performances in a show, but I feel like this girl is coming off as very inquisitive, rebellious (which led to her kidnapping), and I like the turn she’s made from giving a slightly entitled performance to one that, despite that dialogue problem, is fun for me to watch.
- Princess and Kenobi travel to a planet in a slow spaceship where Obi repaired some plastic crap toy robot from Galaxy Edge while the princess whines why it's taking so long.
- The ship lands miles away from a space port because there is the need for more traveling.
- Princess ignores warning (I lost count) and talks to mole person resulting eventually in even more deaths, this girl is the worst person in the galaxy and she still doesn't give a poop.
- Some lackluster shooting where Obi wins the first round but the second time he instantly gives up because he needs to be saved by a spy lady.
- Third sister gets an offer she can't refuse, it do or die so she walks around very invested and finds an hidden area because she can.
- They stay hidden until the 3 Stooges and Dart come to town, lame fight follows where 2 lightsabers are pressed together and Obi pushes out some grunts while Masterchief gets a personality and saves princess (but not really).
- Fire is a wall that prevents everyone to kill Obi, or go around it but Obi's underwear is not flammable and that is a good thing.
- The ending was just there.
Conclusion: The Time travelers Wife is a great series.
How the hell did Reva make it to the end of the tunnel before Leia? They entered from the same location!
Oh, and was the pilot guy that Reva killed played by Rian Johnson or does someone at Lucasfilm just have it out for him so much that they cast a look alike just so they could kill him off. Because that guy looked almost exactly like Rian.
Loved episodes 1 and 2, but wow episode 3 just completely killed anything else I looked forward to from this show and almost completely ruins the Kenobi mythos for me. Complete trash of an episode.
Loved episodes 1 and 2, but wow episode 3 just completely killed anything else I looked forward to from this show and almost completely ruins the Kenobi mythos for me. Complete trash of an episode.
Honestly, I think that six episodes is too much time to have to kill to tell this story. Should’ve either just been a movie or a 3-4 episode limited series like some HBO shows do sometimes.
It would’ve allowed them to skip the filler and the stupid fight we got this episode. I really think this should’ve been a movie the more I think about it. The amount of crap they pad into these shows to make get 5+ hours of content isn’t worth it and I think we’re seeing a pattern of diminishing returns starting to occur. Many of these shows now are very hit or miss.
Just to add on one more thing from my previous post, I think part of the problem is that the Volume Stage is very limiting and it really stood out when Vader walked down the street of that town and during the fight. It just looked like all of it was filmed in a dark, empty sound stage, because it pretty much was.
This is another reason why I have high hopes for Andor as they actually built basically a whole ass town for the show to film on at Pinewood. You can’t beat this type of scope in the Volume by using a fake backdrop instead of something practical.
