Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker

[JunoSynth]

I can't say I agree with anything you said.

I watched the video and to me it just speaks to how creative he is and creativity usually breads division. Again, he came in to make HIS STAR WARS MOVIE. He wanted to put his stamp on it. His directorial vision is one that breads unique film making... which is why half of the fan base didn't like it. They wanted more of the same.

Let's not fall down the tin foil hat rabbit hole.

I think he is creative too. I enjoyed Looper a lot.

That's fine if you don't agree with me but he admits in the video himself he wants to purposely divide fans of his movies. I would think you at least agree on that.

 

[Nick]

I think he is creative too. I enjoyed Looper a lot.

That's fine if you don't agree with me but he admits in the video himself he wants to purposely divide fans of his movies. I would think you at least agree on that.

The way I took the comment was that as a director, he feels like a universally praised movie from the fans is a boring movie. He wants things to be more unique and if that means that half the fan-base is going to have a hissy-fit, then so be it.

I still don't think he purposely made choices to divide fans. JJ had set up the Luke storyline to go where Rian took it, for example.

 

[belloq87]

I would argue that Rian Johnson didn’t set out to intentionally piss off some fans... he just didn’t care if that’s what ended up happening. Which I still think is kind of crappy, but it’s less crappy than being an intentional jerk.

If you watch the DIRECTOR AND THE JEDI documentary on the Blu-ray release of THE LAST JEDI, it’s extremely clear he knows some people in the audience are going to have real problems with some of his story choices, and exactly why they will.

JJ had set up the Luke storyline to go where Rian took it, for example.

There's a wide array of possibilities set-up for Luke's absence in THE FORCE AWAKENS. Johnson picked one of those options, but to say that Johnson did the only thing with Luke that he possibly could have because of what Abrams set up doesn't hold water. And even if that were so, it's not Abrams' fault that Johnson decided not to give Luke an action scene of him wrecking shop, it's not Abrams' fault that Johnson decided that Luke almost murdered his nephew in his sleep, and it's not Abrams' fault that Johnson decided to kill the character off at the end moments after he finally regained his mojo.

 

[OLSinFLA]

TLJ was reviewed better than any of the prequel films:

Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace 55% (217 reviews
Star Wars: Episode II – Attack of the Clones 66% (245 reviews)
Solo: A Star Wars Story 71% (354 reviews)
Star Wars: Episode III – Revenge of the Sith 79% (288 reviews)
Return of the Jedi 80% (87 reviews)
Rogue One: A Star Wars Story 85% (380 reviews)
Star Wars: The Last Jedi 90% (376 reviews)
Star Wars 93% (113 reviews)
Star Wars: The Force Awakens 93% (384 reviews)
The Empire Strikes Back 95% (91 reviews)

It also scored higher on CinemaScore (Audience reviews) than any of the prequel films

Gorsswise, adjusted for inflation:
Star Wars (#2), Empire Strikes Back (#13), Return of the Jedi (#16), Episode I (#16), Episode II (#98), Episode III (#68), TFA (#11), TLJ (#43)

That means TLJ was better received critically, financially, and by the public overall than any of the prequel films. So in the overall scheme of things, the amount of fans showing up is much less important than massive public appeal.
The some fans want to believe TLJ was universally hated because they didn't like it. The truth is far from that.

 

[youhow2]

TLJ was reviewed better than any of the prequel films:

Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace 55% (217 reviews
Star Wars: Episode II – Attack of the Clones 66% (245 reviews)
Solo: A Star Wars Story 71% (354 reviews)
Star Wars: Episode III – Revenge of the Sith 79% (288 reviews)
Return of the Jedi 80% (87 reviews)
Rogue One: A Star Wars Story 85% (380 reviews)
Star Wars: The Last Jedi 90% (376 reviews)
Star Wars 93% (113 reviews)
Star Wars: The Force Awakens 93% (384 reviews)
The Empire Strikes Back 95% (91 reviews)

It also scored higher on CinemaScore (Audience reviews) than any of the prequel films

Gorsswise, adjusted for inflation:
Star Wars (#2), Empire Strikes Back (#13), Return of the Jedi (#16), Episode I (#16), Episode II (#98), Episode III (#68), TFA (#11), TLJ (#43)

Some fans want to believe TLJ was universally hated because they didn't like it. The truth is far from that.

Look, I hate how divided the internet is over the movie. I think it was a terrible film for the franchise, and I'd argue the turnout to Solo might reflect the actual negative reaction of the general populace... Even if Solo was generally well received.


I'd also like to point out there's the whole rotten tomatoes audience score for the film, which is sitting at 46%, with almost 200,000 user reviews. I hate that the media put a spin on it that basically told everyone if someone dislikes the movie, or you see bad reviews it's because nazi's went out and created a smear campaign for the film, and/or you are a neckbeard with no life. As far as I've seen, this is far from the truth. It's really divided in the general consensus.

Rian Johnson made intentional decisions in shots and script that were essentially a big middle finger to fans. The plot fails at several points, where many people other than I have pointed out. No need to go over every little thing agaian, it's all been said.


Some people argue, that the "ideas" put forth in the film are great and they like where they went, but that does not grant a pass on the execution of the film. I've seen the movie 3 times, only once in theaters and twice recently on netflix just to make sure I did not like it... I'm in the camp of wishing it never happened.


The problem I think, is some people look at the plot and say, yeah that's cool what they went for. The invested fans completely hate the treatment of Luke, and some of the liberties they took with the force. The plot also, has it's issues.


What I think people need to agree on in order to have constructive critiques and discussion about the film moving forward is acknowledge it was not perfect... You also need to acknowledge that there are 7 previous movies in the franchise that have long established lore. Some people are more invested than other, and things YOU might be willing to forgive, others simply will not. We all can(need to) agree that this movie threw damn near everything we knew out the window. Some people were okay with that, while other were not... In a film that is the 7th in the franchise, it took a big risk and it divided fans.


My personal opinion is that everything in this film falls apart on it's execution. As someone who loves movies It's been hard for me to discuss this online because of the spin on the reviews for this film. I get accused of being a nazi, MRA, neckbeard basement dweller etc. I'm none of those things, and my enjoyment (or lack thereof) does not align me with any of those factions or movements.


I could be okay with a lot of the decisions in this film, if the plot wasn't so jumbled together. It watches like you had umpteen different producers trying to all put a specific political message in the film, and ended up ignoring what would be best for the film. The casino planet was silly, and made Finn and Rose look like idiots. The "love triangle" thing was really forced... And to be honest, for something that seems to be trying to be progressive, It's kind of a slap in the face to put the two minority characters together. The whole timeline for the film makes no sense, as it takes place immediately after TFA, and you have Rey as an active player in the ongoing primary plot take days to do different things with Skywalker when the Rebels fleet only has 18 hours of fuel... But again, It's all been said before, I just wish we could turn down the heat on discussing the film.

 

[hishedale]

I personally loved TLJ, bar the torpedo Leia being a weird sendoff.

 

[OLSinFLA]

Look, I hate how divided the internet is over the movie. I think it was a terrible film for the franchise, and I'd argue the turnout to Solo might reflect the actual negative reaction of the general populace... Even if Solo was generally well received.


I'd also like to point out there's the whole rotten tomatoes audience score for the film, which is sitting at 46%, with almost 200,000 user reviews. I hate that the media put a spin on it that basically told everyone if someone dislikes the movie, or you see bad reviews it's because nazi's went out and created a smear campaign for the film, and/or you are a neckbeard with no life. As far as I've seen, this is far from the truth. It's really divided in the general consensus.
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RT scores are posted by anyone with web access. CinemaScore actually does surveys so they're more trustworthy. I stand by what I said is hardcore fans desperately want to believe it was universally hated, when in actality the opposite was true.

And speaking of lore, are we still talking about Metoclorins or whatever the hell Lucas decided created the Force? (Lucas himself didn't mind throwing out stuff in later films/ And we're not even gonna get into Twincest).

 

[tankart150]

I think he is creative too. I enjoyed Looper a lot.

That's fine if you don't agree with me but he admits in the video himself he wants to purposely divide fans of his movies. I would think you at least agree on that.

That’s exactly what Paul Feig did with Ghostbusters. Divide fans.

 

[Jamesh22]

TLJ going in a different direction isn't the problem IMO. It's that it is such an awful script and awful film. It's like RJ just remade Space Balls.

Whatever decisions you decide to make and directions you decide to take with Star Wars, you still need to have the darkside as a truly evil force, not a moody teenager with daddy issues.

The awful humour, the Mary Poppings Leia, making Finn an absolute joke, Rey becoming a Jedi master in about 5 seconds and Laura dern waiting until 90% of the rebbels have been killed before doing something to save them.

After Force Awakens and Rogue one, TLJ was a massive massive step down. I honestly believe they have seriously damaged the Brand and franchise.

 

[AlexanderMBush]

 

[Mad Dog]

In an interview CEO Bob Iger responded to complaints about franchise fatigue (SW) and said the Studio"tried to do a little too much, too fast".

 

[JunoSynth]

In an interview CEO Bob Iger responded to complaints about franchise fatigue (SW) and said the Studio"tried to do a little too much, too fast".

 

[Mad Dog]

:thumbsup: great descriptive toon

 

[AlexanderMBush]

Star Wars Celebration will have a panel on Episode IX, headed by J.J. himself.

 

[OhHaiInternet95]

Look, I hate how divided the internet is over the movie. I think it was a terrible film for the franchise, and I'd argue the turnout to Solo might reflect the actual negative reaction of the general populace... Even if Solo was generally well received.


I'd also like to point out there's the whole rotten tomatoes audience score for the film, which is sitting at 46%, with almost 200,000 user reviews. I hate that the media put a spin on it that basically told everyone if someone dislikes the movie, or you see bad reviews it's because nazi's went out and created a smear campaign for the film, and/or you are a neckbeard with no life. As far as I've seen, this is far from the truth. It's really divided in the general consensus.

Rian Johnson made intentional decisions in shots and script that were essentially a big middle finger to fans. The plot fails at several points, where many people other than I have pointed out. No need to go over every little thing agaian, it's all been said.


Some people argue, that the "ideas" put forth in the film are great and they like where they went, but that does not grant a pass on the execution of the film. I've seen the movie 3 times, only once in theaters and twice recently on netflix just to make sure I did not like it... I'm in the camp of wishing it never happened.


The problem I think, is some people look at the plot and say, yeah that's cool what they went for. The invested fans completely hate the treatment of Luke, and some of the liberties they took with the force. The plot also, has it's issues.


What I think people need to agree on in order to have constructive critiques and discussion about the film moving forward is acknowledge it was not perfect... You also need to acknowledge that there are 7 previous movies in the franchise that have long established lore. Some people are more invested than other, and things YOU might be willing to forgive, others simply will not. We all can(need to) agree that this movie threw damn near everything we knew out the window. Some people were okay with that, while other were not... In a film that is the 7th in the franchise, it took a big risk and it divided fans.


My personal opinion is that everything in this film falls apart on it's execution. As someone who loves movies It's been hard for me to discuss this online because of the spin on the reviews for this film. I get accused of being a nazi, MRA, neckbeard basement dweller etc. I'm none of those things, and my enjoyment (or lack thereof) does not align me with any of those factions or movements.


I could be okay with a lot of the decisions in this film, if the plot wasn't so jumbled together. It watches like you had umpteen different producers trying to all put a specific political message in the film, and ended up ignoring what would be best for the film. The casino planet was silly, and made Finn and Rose look like idiots. The "love triangle" thing was really forced... And to be honest, for something that seems to be trying to be progressive, It's kind of a slap in the face to put the two minority characters together. The whole timeline for the film makes no sense, as it takes place immediately after TFA, and you have Rey as an active player in the ongoing primary plot take days to do different things with Skywalker when the Rebels fleet only has 18 hours of fuel... But again, It's all been said before, I just wish we could turn down the heat on discussing the film.

I'm just sick to death of both those who label anyone who disliked as...well, any of the buzzwords you went through, and those who claim that the movie was "ESS JAY DUBYAH PROPUHGUNDA"--basically, snowflakes on both the left and right.

 

[quinnmac000]

Star Wars 9: JJ Abrams Initially Turned Down Directing the Sequel | Collider

Abrams seems to do some PR control before the movie comes out stating how he didn't want to direct it at first and how there wasn't a script done.

 

[snayberry]

Hoping this is way better than Last Jedi.

 

[JungleSkip]

Hoping this is way better than Last Jedi.

The Last Jedi was one of the three best SW films, so I doubt it, but TFA was still pretty good, so I'm sure it'll be decent.

 

[belloq87]

Star Wars 9: JJ Abrams Initially Turned Down Directing the Sequel | Collider

Abrams seems to do some PR control before the movie comes out stating how he didn't want to direct it at first and how there wasn't a script done.

J.J. has some surprisingly candid and revealing things to say about the process, and he basically says - still being as diplomatic as he can - Rian Johnson took things in a direction that didn't line up with what he would have done with the story had he stayed around for VIII.

Hoping this is way better than Last Jedi.

The deal-breaker for me is going to be what happens with Kylo Ren. If he's redeemed in an act of sacrifice, that's just rehashing Vader's arc, and I'm not interested in seeing that all. If he remains (or dies) unrepentant and evil, you're losing the very thing that makes him compelling -- his conflicted nature -- and you end the entire Skywalker Family Saga with that family being, essentially, a bunch of failures. Which sounds like it would be an incredible bummer.

I don't know how they're going to thread that needle to deliver something I'm going to deem satisfying after THE LAST JEDI threw away chances to really take the characters into totally new (for the series) territory.

The Last Jedi was one of the three best SW films, so I doubt it, but TFA was still pretty good, so I'm sure it'll be decent.

If only three films existed, it would definitely be one of the three best SW films, I'll grant you.

 

[JungleSkip]

Rian Johnson took things in a direction that didn't line up with what he would have done with the story had he stayed around for VIII.

Thank god for that.

I don't know how they're going to thread that needle to deliver something I'm going to deem satisfying after THE LAST JEDI threw away chances to really take the characters into totally new (for the series) territory.

The idea that THE LAST JEDI cuts off new territory for the series is certainly a reading.