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That Darn Marvel Contract – What Rights Does Universal and Disney Own

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  1. quinnmac000

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    Ummm, you do know they also see all the attraction plans for any Universal Marvel expansion to include concepts, patents, etc to ensure that the concept remains true to the Marvel characters which extremely detrimental to provide to any Disney employee as its a huge conflict of interest.
     
  2. Brian G.

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    That's only if they go through it with it and they are ready to green light it.
     
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    (Sorry I'm being so hardheaded)
    Can someone here give me a completely rigorous, bold, almost impossible, but not impossible scenario in which Universal can either make a deal or buy off or maliciously convince Disney to let go of some MSU characters and rights. I'm sure it's not impossible, it may not be smart or remotely easy to but can they if they really wanted? Even if they won't do it because it's smart can someone tell me how they would do if it is possible.
     
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    It's not that hard.

    They can if they want, they won't because of cost.
     
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    Universal's Islands of Adventure and Universal Studios Japan are legally allowed to use whatever versions they have in their parks, whether it's from the MCU or from the comic books. The contract is only between Marvel and Universal executives, not Disney and Universal, as both of them are direct theme park competitors since Universal amended financial section of the 1994 contract to prevent Disney from looking into it. The reason why the rides continues to stay in the Universal Orlando and Japan's theme parks as they used to be because Stan Lee apparently wanted to keep that comic-book classic like look Marvel rides as well as the Islands of Adventure's Marvel Super Hero Island itself.
     
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    What is the legality of Disney opening a Marvel themed hotel (like the one coming to Paris) or a more generally superhero themed hotel on WDW property or off the area considered part of WDW, but still near Orlando or elsewhere East of the Mississippi? What relating to Marvel would be allowed to appear in the hotel or in advertising for the hotel?
     
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    I'm unfortunately not an expertise in that kind of subject when it comes to outside theme parks. But I think Disney World has a right to put Marvel-related merchandises outside parks. Years ago, Disney World Monorail has the posters intact promoting the films such as the Avengers and Iron Man 3 in its resort which are already used as characters themselves (which is above all movies and comic books) at nearby rival Islands of Adventure. However, if these rails go through Epcot, it would be considered an "attraction" because people would see it from miles away and would open Disney up to lawsuit by Universal. So if Disney World wants to build a Marvel-themed hotel, they could do that, but since they don't have the theme park rights to the Avengers and Spider-Man (both properties in which Disney finance, produce, and write), then it's really pointless doing so. I think that would be advertising maybe.
     
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    Where did you learn that from?

    This is kind of a lot of information, but I don't care if you guys don't try to respond to all of it or even only respond to one thing:

    Would an attraction like this "Dimensions of Danger" in Hong Kong be in accordance with the contract to appear on land that is considered by the government to be part of WDW given that it's a walk through attraction?



    Is that the fact that it's a walk through thing of significance?

    How about if Disney put something like Dimensions of Danger in or near a hotel in Orlando outside WDW, elsewhere in Florida, or elsewhere East of the Mississippi River?

    Given that Disney has apparently had ideas of putting theme park style attractions on cruise ships in the past ( disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2009/11/ss-disney-incredible-wdi-project.html ) and helicarriers have been important in movies, would it be in accordance with the contract if Disney put something like Dimensions of Danger or other attractions on one of their retired cruise ships after possibly being re-themed as a helicarrier and having the ship docked somewhere along Florida or elsewhere East of the Mississippi like near the Disney hotel in Hilton Head or in Maryland like Disney once had ideas of buildings attractions at ( yesterland.com/harbor.html )?

    How about if Disney and/or Marvel put something like a display of movie props ( "Captain America: Civil War" costume and prop display at El Capitan Theatre in Hollywood - YouTube ) or "The Marvel Experience" ( The Marvel Experience - Del Mar - HD - YouTube ) in places like I described above (hotels and/or a cruise ship in a variety of locations)?

    I imagine stuff like these wouldn't be things Disney would prefer to do compared to building more conventional attractions on WDW property, but they are things that I guess Disney could possibly want to do if they decided one or more of them ended up being good ideas to do at that time.

    Display of movie props embedded video:

    "The Marvel Experience" embedded video:
     
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    I don't know, it's just a rumor, not a fact.

    Anything from a ride to a walk through classifies as an attraction and thus fall under the contract. As everyone knows, the 1994 Marvel contract with MCA (then now defunct parent company of Universal Studios which is currently owned by Comcast/NBCUniversal) prohibits WDW and Tokyo Disney from installing any attraction or meet and greets with any Marvel characters in use by Islands of Adventure and Universal Studios Japan. As Thor is being seen in the video you posted, WDW and Tokyo Disney cannot add him, his related characters, or any member of the Avengers, even if these parks show the video from HK themselves.

    Since Disney World is allowed to put advertisement for its Marvel Studios movies containing characters IOA is using, as long they don't go inside any of its parks, I think it's perfectly fine to say they could build a Marvel-style hotel near its parks. They choose not to because they don't have any of the popular characters that IOA is currently employing. When you put something in a theme park, you gain more notoriety, with the side ones with hotels containing such characters.

    The 1994 contract mostly concerns about other theme park east of the Mississippi River and Disney Cruise Line doesn't classify as a theme park, since it's more of a vacation resort for entire families. Business wise, it doesn't make sense to build a Marvel-themed hotel thousands of miles away from the theme parks that most people won't likely to care about, since business owners have their own style of hotels to operate. Again, when you put something in a theme park, you gain more notoriety, with the side ones with hotels containing such characters.
     

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