The Old HHN 30 Speculation Thread (2020)

[BBPH]

If Eillish is the lagoon theme, it'll be announced early on. Eillish is a very popular "IP" at the moment.

Absolutely, just like ST was last years return and big IP announcement. I see that being Billie.... if still true.

 

[Pedro Navarro]

If they do it, I hope the announcement is followed by either an another IP or an Original house announcement after it and hoping they bring video teasers back again.

 

[UniversalRBLX]

The reason why I think they should put it out last is because it's being talked so much, so I'm sure they would probably leave it last so they could get all the other ips and originals and stuff because they know other fans want that while Eillish fans would get really excited as the lagoon show being the final announcement, obviously she'll be put up there with headlining ips but I just feel like they are going to do the announcements how they did last year, trying to throw people offguard and finally just putting Eillish as the last announcement and not going to be a joint ip with Hollywood.

Universal will want to use Eillish as a drive for tickets and hotel packages. The earlier they announce her, the more sales it drives. As an FYI, Marathon of Mayhem was announced late because they didn't know if they were going to pull it off.

 

[Legacy]

The reason why I think they should put it out last is because it's being talked so much, so I'm sure they would probably leave it last so they could get all the other ips and originals and stuff because they know other fans want that while Eillish fans would get really excited as the lagoon show being the final announcement, obviously she'll be put up there with headlining ips but I just feel like they are going to do the announcements how they did last year, trying to throw people offguard and finally just putting Eillish as the last announcement and not going to be a joint ip with Hollywood.

We’re talking it. Universal isn’t marketing to fans. The announcements are for people who don’t start thinking about HHN until Universal starts announcing it.

And besides, fans wouldn’t be discussing it if insiders didn’t spill it.

 

[Pedro Navarro]

We’re talking it. Universal isn’t marketing to fans. The announcements are for people who don’t start thinking about HHN until Universal starts announcing it.

And besides, fans wouldn’t be discussing it if insiders didn’t spill it.

Yeah I know but for the people who don't start thinking about HHN, you think they would hold out that big announcement till last you know, to really catch people offguard especially with it being mentioned a lot, I know they are not marketing to the diehards anymore, but for new fans you think they would go a different route of announcing at least. We know they will put out all the ips first or inbetween certain originals here and there.

And that's true, but hopefully this year shapes up well, not worried about so much as others are but hopefully this year shapes up to be a good year, it seems very split between diehards who want HHN 15 to be acknowledge and The Terra Queen, those want ips, those who want Ellish and others that want Originals and the anniversary for the icons and Jack's Maniacs wanting Jack back, so many things people want or not for this year to be.

 

[OhHaiInternet95]

We’re talking it. Universal isn’t marketing to fans. The announcements are for people who don’t start thinking about HHN until Universal starts announcing it.

And besides, fans wouldn’t be discussing it if insiders didn’t spill it.

But once again, a lagoon show would be an absolutely bizarre first announcement. It would be just as bizarre if that’s the most marketable thing this year.

 

[Legacy]

Yeah I know but for the people who don't start thinking about HHN, you think they would hold out that big announcement till last you know, to really catch people offguard especially with it being mentioned a lot, I know they are not marketing to the diehards anymore, but for new fans you think they would go a different route of announcing at least. We know they will put out all the ips first or inbetween certain originals here and there.

And that's true, but hopefully this year shapes up well, not worried about so much as others are but hopefully this year shapes up to be a good year, it seems very split between diehards who want HHN 15 to be acknowledge and The Terra Queen, those want ips, those who want Ellish and others that want Originals and the anniversary for the icons and Jack's Maniacs wanting Jack back, so many things people want or not for this year to be.

Announcements in August don't sell vacation packages.

But once again, a lagoon show would be an absolutely bizarre first announcement.

Would it be a bizarre second announcement?

 

[OhHaiInternet95]

Announcements in August don't sell vacation packages.

Would it be a bizarre second announcement?

Nowhere near as much, no.

 

[Pedro Navarro]

I would love to see them announce it alongside AOV I mean it'll give both shows attention, people would love both if they are both promoted together right? "Hey if you love Billie Eillish, go check out Academy Of Villains on the other side of the park." it would give AOV more attraction from new fans of the event.

 

[Legacy]

Nowhere near as much, no.

So, depending on when the first announcement is, there could be no issue with announcing Billie in March?

No one is actually saying Billie is getting announced first. We're not even saying she's the biggest IP on the docket. We're saying she's a big IP, so she will get announced early. People are getting wrapped around the axle because of speculation.

 

[OhHaiInternet95]

Yeah I know but for the people who don't start thinking about HHN, you think they would hold out that big announcement till last you know, to really catch people offguard especially with it being mentioned a lot, I know they are not marketing to the diehards anymore, but for new fans you think they would go a different route of announcing at least. We know they will put out all the ips first or inbetween certain originals here and there.

And that's true, but hopefully this year shapes up well, not worried about so much as others are but hopefully this year shapes up to be a good year, it seems very split between diehards who want HHN 15 to be acknowledge and The Terra Queen, those want ips, those who want Ellish and others that want Originals and the anniversary for the icons and Jack's Maniacs wanting Jack back, so many things people want or not for this year to be.

So do an Eilish lagoon show, a house that takes you through the carnival ride Jack was found in (they shockingly haven’t had a house around his backstory yet—and yes, it would be similar to Dark Ride, IDC), and a Terra Cruentas house in one of the sound stages and zone in NY. Wa la, everyone’s happy.

 

[Pedro Navarro]

So do an Eilish lagoon show, a house that takes you through the carnival ride Jack was found in (they shockingly haven’t had a house that’s explored his origins yet—and yes, it would be similar to Dark Ride, IDC), and a Terra Cruentas house in one of the sound stages and zone in NY. Wa la, everyone’s happy.

I think they probably did that in one of his houses back then when he debuted, I don't think they'd give Jack another origin house, I think they would have host him the anniversary house again, they already gave him and Eddie and somewhat origin house at 25 with Body Collectors Recollections as babies. As for Terra Cruentas house, I could see them going for and having it where Nightingales was last year, give it an awesome facade giving many references to 15 but I don't think they would give 15 a zone, they'd probably have the scareactors in the anniversary scarezone that's really it.

 

[OhHaiInternet95]

I think they probably did that in one of his houses back then when he debuted, I don't think they'd give Jack another origin house, I think they would have host him the anniversary house again, they already gave him and Eddie and somewhat origin house at 25 with Body Collectors Recollections as babies. As for Terra Cruentas house, I could see them going for and having it where Nightingales was last year, give it an awesome facade giving many references to 15 but I don't think they would give 15 a zone, they'd probably have the scareactors in the anniversary scarezone that's really it.

But what ground could they really cover that they didn’t in M&M? Not much, unless it’s strictly an icon mashup hosted by Jack. In which case, gimme gimme gimme!

If you read the house lineup in 2000, it doesn’t sound like it. I’m talking about his career with Oddfellow’s Carnival—he was being hunted by the police for murdering children. Oddfellow had him murdered, and Jack and his victims were stored in an abandoned carnival attraction. Many years later a TV crew found it and were never seen again.

For scarezone, I’m specifically thinking a sequel to the zone that was in Marvel.

 

[Pedro Navarro]

But what ground could they really cover that they didn’t in M&M? Not much, unless it’s strictly an icon mashup hosted by Jack. In which case, gimme gimme gimme!

If you read the house lineup in 2000, it doesn’t sound like it. I’m talking about his career with Oddfellow’s Carnival—he was being hunted by the police for murdering children. Oddfellow had him murdered, and Jack and his victims were stored in an abandoned carnival attraction. Many years later a TV crew found it and were never seen again.

For scarezone, I’m specifically thinking a sequel to the zone that was in Marvel.

I'm sorry I didn't mean 10 but the story they really just kept for the shows, like he did at 10 All Jackd Up Show, 17 Carnival of Carnage and 25 Carnage Returns , those stories just formulated those shows and nothing but story build ups for Jack, I don't think they have any intention of looking into those stuff especially when Marketing wants them to focus more on the ips, he got his revenge and killed Oddfellow, nothing more, nothingless, he took the Cane of Souls and that was it. Monsters and Mayhem was for the icons as well, not just some of the houses, I don't think we will see a standalone anniversary with just the icons, they did that back then in 2004 and I think they won't repeat that even though sometime has passed since then and Islands Under Siege cannot be touched, Marvel made sure of that. They really are gonna be limited on using Jack, he might just have a show or the main headliner for the anniversary zone. The IPs are gonna be the obvious outweigh this year. He might used as another marketing placement for merch this year as all the other icons will probably be as well.

 

[OhHaiInternet95]

I'm sorry I didn't mean 10 but the story they really just kept for the shows, like he did at 10 All Jackd Up Show, 17 Carnival of Carnage and 25 Carnage Returns , those stories just formulated those shows and nothing but story build ups for Jack, I don't think they have any intention of looking into those stuff especially when Marketing wants them to focus more on the ips, he got his revenged and killed Oddfellow, nothing more, nothingless, he took the Cane of Souls and that was it. Monsters and Mayhem was for the icons as well, not just some of the houses, I don't think we will see a standalone anniversary with just the icons, they did that back then in 2004 and I think they won't repeat that even though sometime has passed since then and Islands Under Siege cannot be touched, Marvel made sure of that. They really are gonna be limited on using Jack, he might just have a show or the main headliner for the anniversary zone. The IPs are gonna be the obvious outweigh this year.

Source? I would guess we’ll be getting a split. Just because the first concrete bit of info we have is for an IP doesn’t mean that this will be an especially IP heavy year.

Oh and by “sequel to the zone in Marvel,” I’m talking about that being in New York.

 

[Pedro Navarro]

Source? It kinda seems like we’ll be getting a split.

There is no source, I think they are really going to use Jack for merch and promotions that's it, the originals might be sequels, some new stories but I don't see any of em following Jack unless they do an anniversary house that is just that, a tribute to the past houses and icons, if they give him a house, all power to em but I feel like they might get limited or something. There isn't really nothing to go about Jack that we don't already know, I mean they try to pick up where he left off with Chance and look how that ended up for 26.

 

[OhHaiInternet95]

There is no source, I think they are really going to use Jack for merch and promotions that's it, the originals might be sequels, some new stories but I don't see any of em following Jack unless they do an anniversary house that is just that, a tribute to the past houses and icons, if they give him a house, all power to em but I feel like they might get limited or something. There isn't really nothing to go about Jack that we don't already know, I mean they try to pick up where he left off with Chance and look how that ended up for 26.

And it’s for this reason I’m okay without Jack—what more can they do with him? And there just ain’t that much left to cover that wasn’t already covered in M&M.

 

[Pedro Navarro]

And it’s for this reason I’m okay without Jack—what more can they do with him? And there just ain’t that much left to cover that wasn’t already covered in M&M.

Yeah but Monsters & Mayhem has nothing do with him, he was just a name and in the house, it was about the past houses and icons and he was the first icon of the event so of course they had his name all over it and appearances here and there of him in it, the same thing I'm sure they were going to do with Fear when he was supposed to be in the Horror Night Hallow'd Past house at XX but they couldn't fit him into the plan XD but if they do another M&M it might be under a different name like 30 Years Of Fear or something and just be that, featuring the best of from the past years. I'm wondering what houses and stuff from the past would choose from for this one.

 

[Parkscope Joe]

Yeah but Monsters & Mayhem has nothing do with him, he was just a name and in the house, it was about the past houses and icons and he was the first icon of the event so of course they had his name all over it and appearances here and there of him in it, the same thing I'm sure they were going to do with Fear when he was supposed to be in the Horror Night Hallow'd Past house at XX but they couldn't fit him into the plan XD but if they do another M&M it might be under a different name like 30 Years Of Fear or something and just be that, featuring the best of from the past years. I'm wondering what houses and stuff from the past would choose from for this one.

FWIW I mean he did have his face on the logo, as the house entrance, he popped in throughout the house, and the last room was just a ton of Jacks.

 

[OhHaiInternet95]

I'm wondering what houses and stuff from the past would choose from for this one.

Exactly my point.