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The State of Epcot

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With technology moving as fast as it is now, it's no longer possible to create an attraction without quickly becoming outdated
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Eh. Not necessarily so. Spider Man is 17 years old after all...
 
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Eh. Not necessarily so. Spider Man is 17 years old after all...
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I meant rides based around technology. Spaceship Earth and UOE are outdated within a couple of years.
 
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I meant rides based around technology. Spaceship Earth and UOE are outdated within a couple of years.
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Yeah, then I agree. Lesson: Never try to predict the future as you will invariably get it wrong. Too, many of Disney's attractions were designed for the naive audience of yesterday. As soon as the 90's hit and computer tech exploded, Epcot's future world was dust.

They have improved some of it and done a nice job, but... there remains a few clunker "pavillions" both architecturally and attraction wise remaining.
 
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The notion of an Epcot overhaul should get me incredibly excited, but the GOTG rumor really gives me pause. Yes, I'm sure they could graft on some sort of lip-service to an "edutainment" concept as the framework from which to hang a GOTG coaster, but let's get real... Disney's probably not going to make that effort. It will very likely be an attraction that could otherwise be totally at home in either Tomorrowland or somewhere in Hollywood Studios, with nothing about it that makes it indelibly "Epcot."

That said, I'm coming to grips with what Epcot currently is, and what it is likely to evolve into. As long as Spaceship Earth and Living with the Land can hang on, and the World Showcase pavilions don't lose any of the attractions they already have (I'm okay with IP-based attractions in WS... provided they're additions that thematically fit), the park will continue to occupy a fond (if also somewhat bittersweet) place in my mind when I think of it.
 
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The old Epcot is no longer relevant. Its not a viable concept for the 21st century. World Showcase works. Future World does not. Disney needs to change the theme of Future World and add a couple of good new E tickets and a D ticket or two to the area. Utilizing it as a Festival park works. Nostalgia sometimes blinds us to reality.
 
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The old Epcot is no longer relevant. Its not a viable concept for the 21st century. World Showcase works. Future World does not. Disney needs to change the theme of Future World and add a couple of good new E tickets and a D ticket or two to the area. Utilizing it as a Festival park works. Nostalgia sometimes blinds us to reality.
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Not that I'm disagreeing, but what possible new theme for Future World could they come up with to cover all the disparate (and soon to be increasingly so) attractions under some kind of cohesive umbrella? And once a new theme is settled upon, is the park's dedication plaque to be quietly erased from existence, as the park will no longer even be pretending (which, yes, is basically what it's doing now) to be a tribute to the achievements of human enterprise?

I'm not being argumentative, I'm genuinely curious what people think could be viable, thematically, for Future World!
 
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Not that I'm disagreeing, but what possible new theme for Future World could they come up with to cover all the disparate (and soon to be increasingly so) attractions under some kind of cohesive umbrella? And once a new theme is settled upon, is the park's dedication plaque to be quietly erased from existence, as the park will no longer even be pretending (which, yes, is basically what it's doing now) to be a tribute to the achievements of human enterprise?

I'm not being argumentative, I'm genuinely curious what people think could be viable, thematically, for Future World!
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What first comes to mind is simply "The EPCOT Pavilions," but I think a similar yet more interesting name could be found.
 
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What first comes to mind is simply "The EPCOT Pavilions," but I think a similar yet more interesting name could be found.
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So, essentially the theme would be there is no theme. It's outside the box, and perhaps even appropriate.
 
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Eat (get) Plastered Convoluted Overpriced Theme? I dunno. EPCOT center has been gone for so long. I mean when the place opened, you wouldn't see Mickey Mouse at the 2nd gate.

I think they gave in long ago that when folks go to a Disney park, they want to see Disney. I also think Disney feels its strength is in its franchises, so why wouldn't they just start to make all their gates about showcasing their brands?

I imagine they feel DCA is more successful now that it is more Pixar or Disney or whatever they did out there to realize attendance gains.

I have no clue what they will do here, but heck, even when Test Track was redone, they seemed to drop the whole story about testing cars. I think I only saw 2.0 once or twice, but I felt it lost any of its 'edutainment' story line.
 
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The old Epcot is no longer relevant. Its not a viable concept for the 21st century. World Showcase works. Future World does not. Disney needs to change the theme of Future World and add a couple of good new E tickets and a D ticket or two to the area. Utilizing it as a Festival park works. Nostalgia sometimes blinds us to reality.
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If they go down this road they need to rebrand the park. EPCoT just does not fit any longer. Bet that would get some people upset.
 
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The old Epcot is no longer relevant. Its not a viable concept for the 21st century. World Showcase works. Future World does not. Disney needs to change the theme of Future World and add a couple of good new E tickets and a D ticket or two to the area. Utilizing it as a Festival park works. Nostalgia sometimes blinds us to reality.
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Only thing is that they could still do Future World. Use it to talk about upcoming technology and it would need periodic updates. Horizons was awesome and showed things that we still don't have. Yeah, it needed updating but the ride was sound. A transportation pavilion (yeah, I know that is what TT is) could show concepts of tomorrow with self-driving cars but adding in some mania (cars taking a mind of their own). Another pavilion could be the House of Tomorrow. The ride is touring a house that cleans itself and everything (read "The Martian Chronicles" by Ray Bradbury) but then the house thinks that the tourists need to be cleaned out. Wonders of Life could use a replacement. Innoventions could become a full-out space exploration center with an awesome E-Ticket inside which involves escaping a black hole (with one sighting of the poor beat-up robot from the original terrible movie). As discussed prior, Universe of Energy could show different energy sources and turn into a great 10 minute ride.

Future World can be futuristic but, just like a real future, it could not remain stagnant. Please note that some of my ideas result from watching too many Tex Avery cartoons.
 
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Only thing is that they could still do Future World. Use it to talk about upcoming technology and it would need periodic updates.
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Yeah, that was kind of what Innoventions was and I enjoyed it periodically. But I take it that they have shut most of that down now? :saywhat:
 
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Yeah, that was kind of what Innoventions was and I enjoyed it periodically. But I take it that they have shut most of that down now? :saywhat:
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There's 3 exhibits left open with 2 of the 3 closing on 9/14.

The only remaining exhibit will be Colortopia (presented by Glidden). I assume Disney will just try and reach a deal to cut that contract. It would be leaving that entire building open for 1 exhibit that no one knows is there. Might as well scrap it and do something useful with the place.

Innoventions West has been closed for a year and a half now and has been temporarily changed to expanded Meet & Greet space. I say temporarily in a hopeful manner though. It looks very cheap and they're only using about 10% of the building.
 
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The notion of an Epcot overhaul should get me incredibly excited, but the GOTG rumor really gives me pause. Yes, I'm sure they could graft on some sort of lip-service to an "edutainment" concept as the framework from which to hang a GOTG coaster, but let's get real... Disney's probably not going to make that effort. It will very likely be an attraction that could otherwise be totally at home in either Tomorrowland or somewhere in Hollywood Studios, with nothing about it that makes it indelibly "Epcot."

That said, I'm coming to grips with what Epcot currently is, and what it is likely to evolve into. As long as Spaceship Earth and Living with the Land can hang on, and the World Showcase pavilions don't lose any of the attractions they already have (I'm okay with IP-based attractions in WS... provided they're additions that thematically fit), the park will continue to occupy a fond (if also somewhat bittersweet) place in my mind when I think of it.
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The sad thing is that this GotG coaster concept would have been a great anchor for a superhero/action-based area in DHS (paired with the BH6 flat ride from Tokyo, the WiR concept going into MK and an Incredibles dark ride) and radically increased the amount of attractions for DHS.

Add in SWL, a Monstropolis mini-land instead of TSL, a GMR update, Muppets Courtyard, an enclosed B&TB replacement, a Little Mermaid replacement and that Mickey E-ticket replacing Launch Bay (paired with a direct path over to RnRC/Sunset) - DHS would be set for the next 10-12 years, enough time to allow the creation of a new identity for the park.

Mad Dog said:
The old Epcot is no longer relevant. Its not a viable concept for the 21st century. World Showcase works. Future World does not. Disney needs to change the theme of Future World and add a couple of good new E tickets and a D ticket or two to the area. Utilizing it as a Festival park works. Nostalgia sometimes blinds us to reality.
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The focus of Future World should shift from the future to a more general/timeless 'Discovery' theme IMO. But some of FW's lineup is fine (or could be fine).

Journey into Imagination's original form was definitely timeless and could have stuck around for 50+ years with updates here and there. Imagination never becomes outdated and is at the core of all discovery/innovation.

Spaceship Earth is focused more on the past, so if they stopped predicting the future at the end, it would be fairly timeless.

Living With the Land just needs working AAs and a nice update. It's fine otherwise (and the Behind the Seeds tour is fairly popular).

Nemo could easily be an engaging edutainment dark ride with a proper budget - just have Mr. Ray take Nemo, Dory and the other school fish on a tour of the oceans (Atlantic, Pacific, Indian, etc) and explain what we can learn from the seas. Turtle Talk could also return to a more education-based format of Crush answering questions about turtles, etc.

I agree on Energy - that's a concept that becomes outdated as soon as the ride premieres due to how much change there is in the field on a regular basis. Test Track, too - automobiles become outdated quickly, so it pretty much has to stay a thrill ride and avoid most edutainment.

M:S could be awe-inspiring with 4K graphics, randomization (traveling to different planets, etc) and actual interactivity (altering orbital paths, etc), paired with a second part to the attraction. Kids love outer space, so I doubt the attraction would truly become outdated since space remains fairly unexplored.

Tomorrowland is easy to fix since in the MK, a sci-fi reboot of the area wouldn't seem out of place in a park featuring mostly fictional attractions. In Epcot (a more realistic park until recent years), sci-fi would seem weird (unless GotG takes over Energy/WoL as insiders suspect).
 
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I think they should just concentrate on the Festival theme of the park and tie the front section of the park in with that theme. That way they can retain what they have that's good, and redo the Imaginations, Energy & Innoventions areas to whatever they decide would be an appropriate name to replace the name Future World. Innoventions, as Next Big Thing says, just makes so much sense to put festival types in to balance the park, allowing the festival crowd to be spread out more. There's only so much budget money to go around, so 2 new E tickets & 1 or 2 D tickets should be financially doable, along with some theming bric a brac to fit in with the Festival theme. The Festivals work so well there's no reason to do away with them or diminish them. Actually add another one or two to fill in the gaps.
 
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I think they should just concentrate on the Festival theme of the park and tie the front section of the park in with that theme. That way they can retain what they have that's good, and redo the Imaginations, Energy & Innoventions areas to whatever they decide would be an appropriate name to replace the name Future World. Innoventions, as Next Big Thing says, just makes so much sense to put festival types in to balance the park, allowing the festival crowd to be spread out more. There's only so much budget money to go around, so 2 new E tickets & 1 or 2 D tickets should be financially doable, along with some theming bric a brac to fit in with the Festival theme. The Festivals work so well there's no reason to do away with them or diminish them. Actually add another one or two to fill in the gaps.
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I think one thing they could do to help out the Future World theme is to flesh out on "FW East" and "FW West" and split them into separate "lands" within Future World.

FW East focuses a lot on technology/innovation (and dabbles in adventure) when it comes to Test Track, Mission: Space and UoE (Potentially GotG Ride?). FW West focuses on the world we live in with The Land, The Seas, and Imagination (without imagination, where would we be as a society?).

Separating the 2 sides and establishing a new mission statement would make it incredibly easier to keep FW relevant and much more thematically cohesive, imo.
 
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I always thought the Epcot attractions were designed so they could be updated for future stuff. Almost all the original pavilions followed the same basic storyline - past, present and then the future. Usually the past/present was fleshed out with AAs and sets, but the future stuff was either film (Energy, Seas) or exhibits (Motion, Lans). The exception were Imagination (not really about the future) and Horizons, which used AAs and sets for the future sequences. So the updates basically would have consisted of updating a film or swapping out exhibits.
 
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So we're not going to mention this again? Guardians of the Galaxy will crossover with Avengers in Infinity War | News | Culture | The Independent

Let me guess: the WDW Magic folks are crying loophole or some other BS?

Maybe, I dunno, this is just me: it's not GotG?
 
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So we're not going to mention this again? Guardians of the Galaxy will crossover with Avengers in Infinity War | News | Culture | The Independent

Let me guess: the WDW Magic folks are crying loophole or some other BS?

Maybe, I dunno, this is just me: it's not GotG?
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I don't think anyone has doubted that the Guardians would be in Infinity War. I know I certainly have expected it since announced.... and yet I still think GotG has a chance at Epcot. We have no idea what has gone on behind closed doors and we also aren't the best legal analysts in the business. Maybe Disney has reason to believe that the movie doesn't matter.

I'm not snorting pixie dust, but I don't like to simply say things have no chance. I like having an open mind and having fun with rumors rather than just saying "NOPE. NEXT!".
 
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