Universal's New Park/Site B Blue Sky Thread

[AlexanderMBush]

Oh, god. How did I read this wrong?

From a TPU article written last month:
“So here’s what I’m going to do. I’m going to let you tell me what the lands in the new park are going to be. Here’s how this is going to work. You (the readers of Theme Park University) are going to guess (if you truly know, that’s even better) what the new lands are going to be in the fourth park. If someone gets all six correct, I’ll give them credit in a follow-up article in the near future. Here are the parameters.

1. There are four new lands that represent four brands that Universal either owns or has the rights to. You have to give me all four and be correct with all of them, not just three out of four. There is also an entrance plaza, just like with any park, but it isn’t tied to one specific IP – so that one doesn’t count.
2. As a hint, I’ve told you exactly what one of them is in several previous articles.”

Six lands? And four of them are new? Huh.

EDIT: If this is correct, these are my guesses:

The four new lands are referring to lands currently not found around USO, which are SNW, DreamWorks, Classic Monsters, and Illumination.

The two other lands are referring to properties that already have a land on USO proper, which are Jurassic World and Potter/Fantastic Beasts.

Technically, there are seven lands; counting the entrance plaza (like how Port of Entry is it's own land).

 

[Magic-Man]

Technically, there are seven lands; counting the entrance plaza (like how Port of Entry is it's own land).

I just edited my post about that (again). He said that the entrance did not count as one of the four new lands, but he didn’t specify if it counted as one of the other two. It’s kinda confusing.

Also, to note this: He said that the entrance isn’t restricted to a single IP. Not that there wouldn’t be any IP’s at all. Hmmmm.

 

[Magic-Man]

A few more notes about this: If there truly is six lands, and LOTR, Star Trek, Generic lands, and Godzilla aren’t included, that all but confirms Jurassic World in my eyes.

Does DreamWorks counts as a single land (like SNW), or is it split up?

If there’s six lands, we’ll probably get four coasters.

SNW looks a lot less lonely now, with (potentially) two more lands to back it up.

Could SLoP, Sing, and/or Grinch go in here as well?

A lot of questions (if this is true, of course).

 

[Brian G.]

I thought @Brian G. shot down the possibility of Godzilla, ST, or Lord popping up for UOSouth's first phase?

Either way, UOSouth will probably work similar to how UONorth is, two parks (but not at the same time, and that can be 5-10 years after the opening of the first for the second), entertainment complex, parking, and 4-5 hotels.

Nintendo and DreamWorks seem like the most solid, with Fantastic Beasts/Potter being likely.

If they go with the 5 total, Jurassic may be a possibility; if them slowing down the possible expansion at IOA turns to a change. As for the fifth..that's the crapshoot.

The only one I ever truly shot down was LotR

 

[quinnmac000]

This potentially is the last IP park for Universal (USJ second park plans both were original concepts, China's second park plan is original concept as well, make sense for the potential 4th or 5th gate on the US side to be original and IPless in a certain sense as well). So it would have to be something that can encompass everything that may come up as well as have expansion room for new updates.

Which is why I don't think JW would come to the new park as it already has an area that can be refurbed. The land would have to be extremely valuable as for its worth regarding the IP. They can't just waste space for non expandable areas.

 

[Magic-Man]

This potentially is the last IP park for Universal (USJ second park plans both were original concepts, China's second park plan is original concept as well, make sense for the potential 4th or 5th gate on the US side to be original and IPless in a certain sense as well). So it would have to be something that can encompass everything that may come up as well as have expansion room for new updates.

Which is why I don't think JW would come to the new park as it already has an area that can be refurbed. The land would have to be extremely valuable as for its worth regarding the IP. They can't just waste space for non expandable areas.

They’re probably going to make a third trilogy in the near future, and not all of the lands have to get an update later on. Plus, JP is non-expandable at IOA. Putting it in the new park is the best option.

 

[OrlLover]

This potentially is the last IP park for Universal (USJ second park plans both were original concepts, China's second park plan is original concept as well, make sense for the potential 4th or 5th gate on the US side to be original and IPless in a certain sense as well). So it would have to be something that can encompass everything that may come up as well as have expansion room for new updates.

Which is why I don't think JW would come to the new park as it already has an area that can be refurbed. The land would have to be extremely valuable as for its worth regarding the IP. They can't just waste space for non expandable areas.

In my opinion neither JW or FB are proven franchises. They would look nice in a new park but I don’t believe they deserve their own land at the moment. Original concepts or never before used IPs is the way to go.

 

[Nick]

Finally saw Ready Player One... And really don't think it will end up in the park.

Hell, I hope it DOESN'T end up in the park. That movie was really... not good. It doesn't even have something interesting like lightcycles from TRON that would make it worth putting in a theme park.

 

[GoombaGoomba]

Has anyone heard about this? From Screamscape.com

Jurassic Park Update - Rumor - (8/24/18) While we know the Jurassic Park ride at Universal's Hollywood park is already announced to become a Jurassic World themed ride in 2019, Universal and Amblin filed new trademark paperwork on Aug. 13th for the "Jurassic World" name to be used not just as an amusement park ride but also to use the name as the title of a whole park or as the name of a themed area within a park.
Since we know this later part wouldn't really apply to the Hollywood theme park where the Jurassic ride is one of many rides in the Lower Lot section of the park, next to the Transformers and Mummy rides, it does make me wonder if there could be plans to transform the Jurassic Park land in Orlando, or possibly build an entirely new Jurassic World themed area inside the next new park.

 

[Magic-Man]

In my opinion neither JW or FB are proven franchises. They would look nice in a new park but I don’t believe they deserve their own land at the moment. Original concepts or never before used IPs is the way to go.

Original concepts won’t work, and the other IP’s (that haven’t been ruled out) aren’t proven, either.

 

[quinnmac000]

Original concepts won’t work, and the other IP’s (that haven’t been ruled out) aren’t proven, either.

Volcano Bay Original Concept....Most of Magic Kingdom: Original Concept....Half of Tokyo Disney Sea...open source/original concept.

So yea, original concept do work.

 

[Magic-Man]

Volcano Bay Original Concept....Most of Magic Kingdom: Original Concept....Half of Tokyo Disney Sea...open source/original concept.

So yea, original concept do work.

.....Volcano Bay is a water-park. Magic Kingdom was built 40 years ago. Most of TDS has some form of IP.

Original lands don’t sell merch, and they don’t get people in the turnstiles. There’s a reason why there aren’t any original lands being built anymore.

Besides, Universal hasn’t built an original land since Lost Continent. And we all know how that went. So, yeah. It ain’t happening.

 

[quinnmac000]

.....Volcano Bay is a water-park. Magic Kingdom was built 40 years ago. Most of TDS has some form of IP.

Original lands don’t sell merch, and they don’t get people in the turnstiles. There’s a reason why there aren’t any original lands being built anymore.

Besides, Universal hasn’t built an original land since Lost Continent. And we all know how that went. So, yeah. It ain’t happening.

And how do IPs become IPs hmm? Oh yea through being original content. The main reason why original content doesn't work is lack of synergy. LC also aged a lot better than some areas based off IPs (toon lagoon) and has outlived all those beloved classics people bemoan about losing (beetlejuice, jaws, T2, nearly everything in Hollywood area, etc)

 

[Magic-Man]

And how do IPs become IPs hmm? Oh yea through being original content. The main reason why original content doesn't work is lack of synergy. LC also aged a lot better than some areas based off IPs (toon lagoon) and has outlived all those beloved classics people bemoan about losing (beetlejuice, jaws, T2, nearly everything in Hollywood area, etc)

Most original concept don’t become major IP’s, with the exception of Pirates and Haunted Mansion. And, don’t forget, most of LC is already gone. It’s a mini-land at this point.

We aren’t going to get any original concepts, and I think it’s time that people stopped thinking that we will. Sorry to be blunt, but it’s the truth.

 

[Norrin]

Fantastic Worlds is generic enough to become it's own IP, I think. The entry would be a portal to all these new worlds. If they can make the entrance grand enough and make the concept a solid story telling base, they can easily spin that to a movie/franchise.

 

[Norrin]

Sorry for the double post...But if the whole 6 lands/worlds is true....

Entry- Portal (Steampunk Grand Central Station)
1- SNW
2- Classic Monsters(Dark Universe)
3- Dreamworks
4- Fantastic Beasts
5- Holiday (Original with a sprinkle of IPs)
6- Sci-Fi (Original Concept)

 

[Magic-Man]

Some more thoughts, mostly relating to the leaked concept art of USB:

• Is it possible that we could get a clone of the WaterWorld area from Universal Studios Beijing?
• It appears like there might be some sort of small mountain in the concept art for Jurassic World, unless I'm looking at it wrong. There's also what appears to be some concept art of the Gyrosphere. Looks like screens.
• We need that KFP land in here. Now.
• Is it possible that they could clone that Despicable Me indoor land, except maybe give it a different theme? That'd be great.
• Have a feeling that two of the lands from here will be cloned in some capacity.

 

[OrlLover]

Original concepts won’t work, and the other IP’s (that haven’t been ruled out) aren’t proven, either.

To be honest when I say original concepts that means new ride systems or interactive elements. Original lands would of course be a nice bonus but I do agree that IPs tend to be merch sellers. Proven as in more than one or two movies because a couple years down the road we don't know if those franchises will have the same appeal and success.

 

[tielo]

Universal has a mindset with building new attractions that they hope to become nostalgic. Potter, Mummy, Hulk have all become rides that people talk about the same way they talk about Splash Mountain and Tower of Terror. Aiming towards the "new nostalgic" factor seems like the plan for the new park. IPs like Jurassic World and Nintendo will be the future's Disney cartoons and such.

I don't get that vibe. They build the land/ride and expect a return on investment within a certain time. If it keeps making money they'll keep it but if the cost for maintenance is exceeding the price of new build most often then not it'll we trashed and something new will arise. With more parks opening that cycle will be getting a bit longer and I'm sure they try to build the best rides they can but in the end it's all about money.

 

[Magic-Man]

Sorry for the double post...But if the whole 6 lands/worlds is true....

Entry- Portal (Steampunk Grand Central Station)
1- SNW
2- Classic Monsters(Dark Universe)
3- Dreamworks
4- Fantastic Beasts
5- Holiday (Original with a sprinkle of IPs)
6- Sci-Fi (Original Concept)

Sorry to burst the bubble, but he said that there wouldn’t be any generic lands (basically, no original lands).

To be honest when I say original concepts that means new ride systems or interactive elements. Original lands would of course be a nice bonus but I do agree that IPs tend to be merch sellers. Proven as in more than one or two movies because a couple years down the road we don't know if those franchises will have the same appeal and success.

Oh, I’m an idiot. Sorry! But Jurassic World doesn’t need to have lasting appeal to be a good land. Look at Toon Lagoon, there’s no currently-relevant IP’s there, and no room/chance for expansion. Jurassic World seems like it can be a great land, given the opportunity. Plus, dinos.