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The Old HHN 30 Speculation Thread (2020)

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I'm torn on the whole app thing.

Is it possible to do it in a way that makes the user experience not be bad at all and keep crowds relatively dispersed? Sure. IoT/Internet of Things tech is so far advanced now they can do it...provided they are going to invest millions of dollars into it and that they already started months ago. There's not a ready made, plug and play solution. But using advance analytics/AI to sense the data and flow of people in the park, if everybody group has a reliable, continuous connection to the app is certainly doable.

There are the obvious potential issues of connectivity, people closing out the app to save battery life, battery life in general with an "always on" location-based app, technology hiccups grounding operations to a hault, people confused by the process/not wanting to follow it arguing with operations people (people can't even even figure out the express vs regular lines and clog up the works, this is exponentially more complex), inebriated people trying to follow the app, etc.

But regardless of all that, the one glaring issue I see is the virtual queues. If they limit capacity to half, just spitballing here and making up numbers, and there are no lines...that means about 90% of ALL people in the park will be roaming the streets at any given time. Think of the busiest night you've ever gone, when a couple houses had 3 hour wait times and all other houses were close to an hour. Now cut those lines in half, so 30-90min each line. Those lines don't exist...so all those people would be ADDED to the streets. That's just insane. Just think how crowded it is walking around when you're not passing/mingling with all the people in lines and shows. I would think that at least 50% of crowds each night (again, pulling these numbers out of my keister) are actively in lines or in show venues at any given time. I'd argue it's probably closer to 75-80%. If you put them all back in the streets, I don't see how it could possibly work. Unless you do a konga line through the park, everybody slowly makes their way to house A, then to house B, then to house C, with people starting their night at different points in the cycle, it's just going to be a mass of people walking by each other, or worse still, congregating in lines for beverages and not following the rules. Again, if lines are gone (well, reduced by about 90% say since you obviously won't just walk directly into the house at your assigned time) those people will be on the streets. I just don't see how it could possibly work out.

I would think the max attendance, for the busy days, that this could possibly work and keep people socially distances would be 25% capacity at the absolute max and that might not even be feasible. I'm thinking something like not only having the app do your visit, but you getting a 2-3 hour time allotment in the park per visit might be required. Like some nights the app might tell you to show up at 6pm, other nights you might not be "allowed" to show up until 11pm or even midnight. That could really help break up the crowds, but haven't heard anything like that (yet). But think of the 9-10pm peak times, and cut that in half, that just doesn't work. Cut it by 75% and factor in no lines and it's still nearly impossible to believe.

Not trying to scare people or start a forum war, just my nerd brain thinking out loud and not being able to see how the currently rumored plan could possibly work with the rumored numbers. I think the technology surely exists to impliment a successful plan, but not at the scale with the physical limitations of the park (particularly the central lagoon restricting several places to only one route from point to point).

EDIT - I should add that I don't think that there will be NEARLY as many people going this year. Locals, sure, but the huge UK population needing to plan airfare and stuff and worry about travel restrictions in the time when flu season usually starts...I think attendance will be cut at least in half just based on people wanting to avoid crowds and logical issues for travelling and wallets tightened to do economic and employment issues so it's not all doom and gloom for those willing and able to go as I think the crowd will be greatly reduced organically without Uni having to restrict it.
 
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Ok now... It's been taken care. We don't need to gang up on him anymore. Time to move on.
 
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They mention that the HHN UK website got updated.
 
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Oh man I hope they sell HHN face masks!
 
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I would love if we got a line of Carey Ohio facemasks, maybe with The Usher, Bloody Mary (if the rights aren't an issue) Jack, and so much more.. I'll be even more happier if we got facemasks for ALL the icons.
 
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Face masks are the merch of the future, i hope they sell them in bundles
 
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Neo said:
IoT/Internet of Things tech is so far advanced now they can do it...provided they are going to invest millions of dollars into it and that they already started months ago.
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They aren’t and they didn’t. Just for some perspective, Virtual Line has zero automation.

That TPU article about an app experience was fantasy dressed up as a rumor.
 
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I'm curious as to how social distancing will work inside the houses, when I want last year, in most of the houses it was like a conga line and you were very close together to other people. So I'm wondering if the house this year will be one party going in at a time, or will people be social distancing inside?
 
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Could we end up with IP themed facemasks? People would eat up Beetlejuice or Stranger Things masks.
 
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GA-MBIT said:
Could we end up with IP themed facemasks? People would eat up Beetlejuice or Stranger Things masks.
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Doubt they sell ST masks if ST isn’t there. I can definitely see them wearing Billie masks.
 
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I'd love a Beetlejuice mask, and I'm sure it'll sell like hotcakes. Question is: Considering how much people are opposing Billie Eilish coming to HHN, and considering most of Billies mainstream audience is Teens-Young Adults. Do you think a Billie Eilish mask would sell well?
 
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They haven’t continued the instagram countdown curiously.
 
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00_Themeparkfan_00 said:
I'd love a Beetlejuice mask, and I'm sure it'll sell like hotcakes. Question is: Considering how much people are opposing Billie Eilish coming to HHN, and considering most of Billies mainstream audience is Teens-Young Adults. Do you think a Billie Eilish mask would sell well?
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First off, I don't think anyone is really opposing Billie coming to the event - in fact, there's probably a huge demographic that will end up coming to the event solely because of her presence.

Secondly, if Universal is still requiring all guests to wear masks when in the parks, then yes I think her masks would sell because teens / young adults won't have a choice on whether or not they wear one. (a Billie mask might even make it less "embarrassing" for them, who knows).
 
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I wonder why.
 
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So this is apparently for a 4k release but my heart was in my mouth when I saw it.

 
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Question, is Marketing in the same division as Merch? Or do they have significant oversight on what Merch does?

My thought is, if Billie was Marketing's idea first and foremost, and if Marketing has a say of what merch is made, I'd say a Billie facemask would probably be the most likely one.
 
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Living Dead Dude said:
Oh man I hope they sell HHN face masks!
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Yes.

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That TPU article about an app experience was fantasy dressed up as a rumor.
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Definitively no.
 
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Joe said:
Definitively no.
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Virtual Line is a person sitting at a computer all day manually managing reservation inventory.

Forgive me if I’m skeptical that they can on short notice create a massive, AI-driven app experience that disperses people even throughout the park, especially when everything I’ve heard is business as usual and their analytical side has a repeated history of getting out over their skis. They can’t even secure their data:

https://www.thrill-data.com/virtualline
 
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HandsomePete said:
That TPU article about an app experience was fantasy dressed up as a rumor.
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Oh, it’s an actual rumor. And I’ve caught wind of some stuff that implies elements of the article are very true.
00_Themeparkfan_00 said:
I'm curious as to how social distancing will work inside the houses, when I want last year, in most of the houses it was like a conga line and you were very close together to other people. So I'm wondering if the house this year will be one party going in at a time, or will people be social distancing inside?
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They’ll heavily pulse parties. They put an Ops person in the third or fourth scene, and theY signal to entrance that the next party can enter the house.
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First off, I don't think anyone is really opposing Billie coming to the event
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You haven’t followed this thread very closely, have you?
 
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Seems to me like TPU gets a bad rap sometimes. I don't have a lot of historical acknowledge, so maybe something egregious happened in the past, but it seems like they are usually pretty accurate with their stuff?
 
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