belloq87
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The key question is really whether or not they're keeping his script for VOL. 3. If they are, I think the movie is basically salvageable.
1) Sorry to hear thatI've been through a lot the past few years with family stuff. If I didn't have comedy I'd probably have killed myself, actually killed myself. Depression and anxiety is a real problem and all of that plus all I've been through is a ton. But I'M the one to make that joke, not someone else or James Gunn. I think that's something we need to remember here.
Not me. If you’re speaking into a void, It will have no impact.I don't believe this. Words are power and do have meaning. Simply ignoring them doesn't solve anything because it emboldens those with hateful views and normalizes them.
1) Sorry to hear that
2) Glad you’re better now
3) Why are you allowed to make a joke just because I you’ve been through something? And who are you telling the joke to? Wouldn’t it, so it wouldn’t need to be with a bunch of people you have pre-cleared that it wouldn’t find it offensive for your joke to stand?
4) Gunn isn’t funny. If those were jokes, which I assume they were, they were dumb and unfunny. He should stick to GotG. Because he sucks at stand up.
Not me. If you’re speaking into a void, It will have no impact.
I’m offended by absolutely nothing. Nothing. I can be annoyed or dislike a person and I can even bring things up for discussion. But I simply refuse to get offended.
Could I be offended by things? Would I have valid reasons to be offended? If I were to tell people why I was offended at something, would they agree with me that I should be offended? Absolutely.
Here is a key thing our world (in particular Americans) has forgotten. Taking offense impacts one person’s happiness- the offended. Not the offender. So when you choose to be offended, and make no mistake, it is a choice; Then you instantly become the victim. And that’s a place I choose not to live in, and I’m happy as hell about it.
Fair point, but what if the words are a call to violence, anger, and hate? Should a queer person capitulate homophobic statements that reduce and try to remove their humanity? As a white straight dude in America I have the status to be able to not be offended by such things, but it actually hurts others. Of course we're getting way off topic now and more into the general discussion of speech and hate speech.
I agree, I think this thread really shows the strength of this forum and its community. This just might be the only place on the internet I've seen an actual nuanced debate about this subject with everyone staying respectful of those with differing opinions. Everywhere else I've looked its just toxic and partisan.
So I'm going to need a day or so to digest and think about your response
@Andysol. I believe this conversation is amazing and I'm very proud of the community in this thread. Big thanks to you and @TheCode on our discussions here.
Mainly wanted to post this before I respond back because it's something to remember when it comes to this specific instance: the debate Gunn had with Ben Shapiro and the dude who started this (I've only refereed to as MC).
I agree, I think this thread really shows the strength of this forum and its community. This just might be the only place on the internet I've seen an actual nuanced debate about this subject with everyone staying respectful of those with differing opinions. Everywhere else I've looked its just toxic and partisan.
Thanks. And I’d have a beer with any of them. I’d rather have a relationship and conversation with someone who is aware and has opposing views than someone with like minded views but is oblivious and entrenched.
Just don’t bring up Nintendo being delayed:fight:I've tried to be as clear minded as possible about some of the stuff I've talked about here and in the politics thread and I am really glad to see these posts. we might not all agree about everything but we can be civil about it. thanks guys
I know I'm super late to the party and am only on page 2 of how ever many pages this is at now, but no matter what your take on what he said was or the entire situation.He directly addressed why he didn't delete them: To show his growth as a person. Deleting them would be trying to erase what happened. He didn't want that. He wanted to show where he was as a person 8-10 years ago, and to show he was not that person any more.
They absolutely knew because these same tweets got complaints in 2012 and Gunn apologized about them then. This is not new information to Disney.
Hot take.I have a black adopted daughter. She will have two parents, be raised in a high income, etc. A massive departure from the “average” Black person growing up in America. But because she’s black... Even though she will have no black “culture”... she is supposed to relate to an entire race?
Hot take.
What blows my mind is the fact that the same people who continue to call it “joking” are the same ones that get continue to be offended by everything else. Hypocrisy.
It's all sides though. One side is outraged about Roseanne but not about Gunn. The other is outraged against Gunn but not Roseanne. There's so much hypocrisy all the time, it's astounding. And people just can't be adults and everyone bemoans and cries. For every crybaby worrying about Hillary Duff and Chris Hemsworth dressing up as an indian for a Lone ranger party, there's an equal crybaby worrying about people kneeling for an anthem. Just stop supporting whatever it is if you feel so inclined and stop crying about it.
Q: Did you see the new GotG movie?
"I didn't watch GotG because I don't agree with the director's jokes about pedophilia. Just not my cup of tea."
Q: Did you see the new Roseanne episode last night?
"I didn't watch Roseanne because of the racist statements she made. Just not my cup of tea."
Both of those questions and answers do more to create conversation and have a positive and personal impact.
If people care about Roseanne's statements, then don't watch the show. Bad ratings will get it cancelled. If people didn't care, keep watching it. Same goes with Gunn. I don't need F'ing Disney playing censor to what we, as society, can handle or accept. It's their right, because it's their empire. But the fact that we, as a society, can't regulate ourselves is insulting. And the fact we think we should regulate others is equally insulting.
Roseanne and Gunn should both have jobs until the ratings say otherwise is my take. Let the people speak with their wallets.
To think otherwise would mean that I buy into the notion that just by being black makes you disadvantaged, which I don't buy into.