Just want to clarify that it’s fine to love or hate what is being rumored, just don’t piss on someone else’s parade.
Fair. My bad for being a bit harsh, my feelings weren't meant to be directed at the status of the event as a landmark rather than its attachment to people, which I myself am still fond of, albeit it may just be my nostalgia goggles.Just want to clarify that it’s fine to love or hate what is being rumored, just don’t piss on someone else’s parade.
Weirdly enough I'm excited for The Exorcist just because it's in a soundstage but everything else... cmon man. It's literally cherry picking from events past. 2016 was like that sure, but at least it did it with icons over the exact same properties.
Also the notion of being positive about it is just, bleh. Criticism does go a long way. Believe me, it's not hating for the sake of wanting this event to suck. I still think its the best of the LA Haunts but damn, it's just a shadow of itself at this point.
Not sure what point you’re trying to make? I acknowledged that HHN recycles on occasion and that this year we might see some straight up repeats due to the very obvious circumstances; meanwhile, in the best and most successful of years, Knotts will run back a virtually identical lineup and somehow it’s not repetitive or stagnant?
I'm not sure if we can have a productive conversation without you realizing that the repeats HHN Hollywood are doing are all very divisive mazes.Not sure what point you’re trying to make? I acknowledged that HHN recycles on occasion and that this year we might see some straight up repeats due to the very obvious circumstances; meanwhile, in the best and most successful of years, Knotts will run back a virtually identical lineup and somehow it’s not repetitive or stagnant?
Like, this is a unique circumstance; I highly doubt this would be the 2021 lineup if 2020 had gone according to plan. We wouldn’t see anywhere near this level of recycling in a different, non-pandemic climate. Pretending otherwise is just bad faith nonsense.
I get that the MO of this board is just folks in search of something (literally anything) to whine about, but at least be consistent with your criticism.
Turned out to be a red herring.So what was the IP you were excited about early in the spec last year? (How innocent we were.)
We aren't critiquing Knotts for bringing back their mazes. We're saying that it's weird that when they do it for years it's fine but when Hollywood does it it's controversial. And as for whether or not the mazes were divisive, are we really going to assume that they're not going to tweak the mazes? Halloween will likely be different, Exorcist will likely be different. Hell, even TCM is getting tweaked and likely improved. Judge based on what you see, not what you assume or hear.I'm not sure if we can have a productive conversation without you realizing that the repeats HHN Hollywood are doing are all very divisive mazes.
Critique Knotts all you want for bringing back mazes year after year but it's because people like those mazes and if they don't then the maze they bring will be at Knotts for most likely 2-3 years tops.
Again I said this earlier but I wouldn't mind if HHN Hollywood did repeats or mostly repeats if they were actually good received mazes and weren't all divisive.
Also your claim about "We wouldn't see this level of reusing otherwise" is pretty bonkers considering that only 3 mazes from 2019 weren't reusing excessively from previous mazes. Yeah there's a difference between doing the exact same maze and reusing excessively to make a new product but they're pretty similar.
I mean, I’m not trying to make an argument of what is or isn’t “divisive.” That’s a pretty subjective qualification, isn’t it? There’s really no honest way to measure that beyond taking anecdotal stock of what people say on message boards. Also, your personal preferences for mazes — the ones that you’d be okay with them repeating instead of these — is also completely irrelevant to my argument.I'm not sure if we can have a productive conversation without you realizing that the repeats HHN Hollywood are doing are all very divisive mazes.
Critique Knotts all you want for bringing back mazes year after year but it's because people like those mazes and if they don't then the maze they bring will be at Knotts for most likely 2-3 years tops.
Again I said this earlier but I wouldn't mind if HHN Hollywood did repeats or mostly repeats if they were actually good received mazes and weren't all divisive.
Also your claim about "We wouldn't see this level of reusing otherwise" is pretty bonkers considering that only 3 mazes from 2019 weren't reusing excessively from previous mazes. Yeah there's a difference between doing the exact same maze and reusing excessively to make a new product but they're pretty similar.
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1. Murdy already confirmed TCM is an exact repeat of the 2012 Maze with a few tweaks. Pretty divisive maze right there.
I mean, Knotts doesn't always improve their mazes year after year, Paranormal hasn't changed at all since 2018 really, as far as I'm aware The Depths and Dark Entities haven't seen many major enhancements since their debut. Shadowlands got basically left to fall apart year after year till it got cut.Stepping in for a second but, let me bring this..point; if you will. The benefit Knotts has had with their mazes is that while yes--a majority of the mazes are repeated...it isn't like they can be the exact same maze over and over again. Each year, some change comes in and affects itself for the event; in one way or another. Knotts has been a prime candidate for "Improving your dated product"; while when the Hollywood creative team does the repeated mazes, they are for the most part; a copy and paste of that product, minus any cuts made to allow the flow of the budget to go into a larger quality maze.
Both events have flaws in their own way; but if it's one thing that I actually give Knotts the edge, is that they refine the experience and update according to the feedback and consideration of GSAT's. And they have been innovating in technology and effect works that go beyond a lot of the other events in the SoCal market). Now, that's not to say USH hasn't had great mazes at the events, especially in the past few years. But you can tell through Hollywood's events, a level of predictability that is present with most of it's mazes. Atleast with SFMM, the mazes represented do have things that can be more surprising.
I mean, Knotts doesn't always improve their mazes year after year, Paranormal hasn't changed at all since 2018 really, as far as I'm aware The Depths and Dark Entities haven't seen many major enhancements since their debut. Shadowlands got basically left to fall apart year after year till it got cut.
I get your point and partially agree with it, but i think knotts repeating mazes is more out of budget necessity to maintain 8-9 mazes a year rather than purely because theyre well recieved. If anything the additions are kinda just icing on the cake. Albeit some icing that HHN would definitely benefit from with their repeats.
Turned out to be a red herring.
Paranormal Inc in 2019 had a MAJOR finale change that set a whole different tone for the conclusionI mean, Knotts doesn't always improve their mazes year after year, Paranormal hasn't changed at all since 2018 really, as far as I'm aware The Depths and Dark Entities haven't seen many major enhancements since their debut. Shadowlands got basically left to fall apart year after year till it got cut.
I get your point and partially agree with it, but i think knotts repeating mazes is more out of budget necessity to maintain 8-9 mazes a year rather than purely because theyre well recieved. If anything the additions are kinda just icing on the cake. Albeit some icing that HHN would definitely benefit from with their repeats.
I dunno, I think Knott’s will run a maze into the ground before they even start to consider a replacement. Like HHN, I’ve gone to Knotts every year for over a decade and they really let the treads get mighty thin on those mazes. Now, those rare times when they do add a new maze, it’s a winner; but I’ve never noticed this “icing” you’re talking about. They don’t often make noticeable updates to their content; if anything, they remove stuff in order to use it for a new maze.Stepping in for a second but, let me bring this..point; if you will. The benefit Knotts has had with their mazes is that while yes--a majority of the mazes are repeated...it isn't like they can be the exact same maze over and over again. Each year, some change comes in and affects itself for the event; in one way or another. Knotts has been a prime candidate for "Improving your dated product"; while when the Hollywood creative team does the repeated mazes, they are for the most part; a copy and paste of that product, minus any cuts made to allow the flow of the budget to go into a larger quality maze.
Not sure what point you’re trying to make? I acknowledged that HHN recycles on occasion and that this year we might see some straight up repeats due to the very obvious circumstances; meanwhile, in the best and most successful of years, Knotts will run back a virtually identical lineup and somehow it’s not repetitive or stagnant?
My point was “yes HHN can be repetitive, but so are the other haunts, and they are often much more repetitive.” Nothing happening here changes that point, regardless of how much you might not like it.
Like, this is a unique circumstance; I highly doubt this would be the 2021 lineup if 2020 had gone according to plan. We wouldn’t see anywhere near this level of recycling in a different, non-pandemic climate. Pretending otherwise is just bad faith nonsense.
I get that the MO of this board is just folks in search of something (literally anything) to whine about, but at least be consistent with your criticism.