Yeah, more than anything I think this is why they are using BG's for this ride. This area is not big and the purpose built queue doesn't hold a ton of people (including the outside portion). They need to use BGs in order to make sure only people who are riding the ride are back in that area.Like moves fast, but entire extended queue being utilized. No room for anyone else than the boarding groups called.
Anyone can come back here, as crepes is open now, but you cannot get into the ride line without a BG. And the line is extended out even further into the pathway than it was during previews. Even still, it can only hold like 40 mins of wait time at most.Yeah, more than anything I think this is why they are using BG's for this ride. This area is not big and the purpose built queue doesn't hold a ton of people (including the outside portion). They need to use BGs in order to make sure only people who are riding the ride are back in that area.
Ah. I would've thought they'd be sort of restricting the area to BG only, but I guess that cuts off their line of revenue for the crepe place a lot.Anyone can come back here, as crepes is open now, but you cannot get into the ride line without a BG. And the line is extended out even further into the pathway than it was during previews. Even still, it can only hold like 40 mins of wait time at most.
It’s nice because you can still come into the area for photos in front of Remy’s and crepes. But Remy merch is not being sold at the cart today. Only at the World Showplace because of opening day limited edition merch.Ah. I would've thought they'd be sort of restricting the area to BG only, but I guess that cuts off their line of revenue for the crepe place a lot.
So the issue will be that to get a boarding group you must pick Epcot as your park reservation to access the 2 opportunities. Otherwise you can’t get into Epcot until 2pm after the passes have been gotten. This also really limits your DHS timeIs it worth trying to get a ride on this when I’m trying to go to DHS in the same day to experience most of the rides there?
This is where I’m gonna champion the virtual line concept again. For starters, it’s great that you can ride other rides and entertain yourself while waiting (I know most aren’t this fortunate but being able to drive home to nap is pretty sweet too lol). Three years ago, getting on a new ride meant planning your entire day around waiting in one line with an opportunity cost equal to every other attraction that came with the price of your admission.Went to Epcot earlier to get a boarding group for Ratatouille. Got there around 12:45, found a bench, and waited for 1:00pm so I could grab a BG. I wasn't right on it like you really need to be when the groups are released and got group 138, which gave me an estimated 260 minute wait. The BGs have been moving pretty constantly, with the wait decreasing every 5 minutes almost exactly. I did SSE, Nemo, and Soarin', then left to go home for a bit to lay down and come back for Rat and Harmonious. I'm gonna try and watch Harmonious from a side angle and see if I feel like it's really necessary to watch the show from the 12 or the 6 (as far as the center barge is concerned).
I still did have to wait 40 minutes after I got in line, however. Not terrible, but would I wait 40 minutes for this ride even after BG’s are gone? Probably not. I’d probably wait 25-30 mins max for this ride. I had low expectations knowing it’s a clone that opened 7 years ago in Paris and knew it was tame, but even still I just sort came off like “that’s it?”. I struggle to call this a D-ticket like I thought it was. To me, it’s a high C.This is where I’m gonna champion the virtual line concept again. For starters, it’s great that you can ride other rides and entertain yourself while waiting (I know most aren’t this fortunate but being able to drive home to nap is pretty sweet too lol). Three years ago, getting on a new ride meant planning your entire day around waiting in one line with an opportunity cost equal to every other attraction that came with the price of your admission.
But I also want to address the idea that the virtual lines create a barrier to entry thats insurmountable for most guests to ride rides. For starters, I had literally never been to DHS or IOA without getting on Rise or Hagrid’s…it was never *that* hard. But more importantly, look at how your wait time was technically 260 minutes. Most people seeing that figure in a standby queue would balk and go away. But removing the fact that you have to physically wait that long, I would argue, is actually letting MORE guests than usual get on. Ride capacity stays the same, sure, but you’re removing a huge psychological barrier by reducing the actual standby wait (plus allowing families with kids who can’t wait that long get a fighting chance). This, incidentally, is also why Volcano Bay was an unmitigated disaster when it opened (it doesn’t work when it’s every ride in the park).
I hope the trend of virtual line for new rides stays. I love it.
So no virtual line we would have ridden and guessing that we would have waited an hour maybe a little over as the wait time would self regulate. So virtual line for me gets a big :thumbsdown:
This is where I’m gonna champion the virtual line concept again. For starters, it’s great that you can ride other rides and entertain yourself while waiting (I know most aren’t this fortunate but being able to drive home to nap is pretty sweet too lol). Three years ago, getting on a new ride meant planning your entire day around waiting in one line with an opportunity cost equal to every other attraction that came with the price of your admission.
But I also want to address the idea that the virtual lines create a barrier to entry thats insurmountable for most guests to ride rides. For starters, I had literally never been to DHS or IOA without getting on Rise or Hagrid’s…it was never *that* hard. But more importantly, look at how your wait time was technically 260 minutes. Most people seeing that figure in a standby queue would balk and go away. But removing the fact that you have to physically wait that long, I would argue, is actually letting MORE guests than usual get on. Ride capacity stays the same, sure, but you’re removing a huge psychological barrier by reducing the actual standby wait (plus allowing families with kids who can’t wait that long get a fighting chance). This, incidentally, is also why Volcano Bay was an unmitigated disaster when it opened (it doesn’t work when it’s every ride in the park).
I hope the trend of virtual line for new rides stays. I love it.
We would have probably rope dropped the attraction resulting in a reasonable wait time or would have just waited it out in a long line after we would have accomplished everything else we wanted. As for less people getting to experience the attraction you are wrong. Virtual or physical line doesn't change capacity and capacity determines how many people get to experience the attraction in a given day. It would change the type of people who get to experience it, this system is very passholder friendly as they get to do trial and error to figure out the best way to get a pass. I know when the drops are and that you need fast fingers to get one and barely got on a boarding group. I had some in laws with me that day at the park and wanted to do the ride but didn't understand how the system works which I imagine is a common issue for day guests.How do you figure that? You either would have waited behind the same number of people equal to the demand of the attraction on that current day, or left after seeing a line of >40 minutes (going off of @Nick’s perception of ride value). The only alternative would be waiting in a shorter physical queue, which would’ve meant less people got to experience the attraction than what was possible that day due to virtual line.
That’s fair, but still requires as much (if not more) theme park prowess than using the app to get a return time.We would have probably rope dropped the attraction resulting in a reasonable wait time or would have just waited it out in a long line after we would have accomplished everything else we wanted.
As for less people getting to experience the attraction you are wrong. Virtual or physical line doesn't change capacity and capacity determines how many people get to experience the attraction in a given day.
It would change the type of people who get to experience it, this system is very passholder friendly as they get to do trial and error to figure out the best way to get a pass. I know when the drops are and that you need fast fingers to get one and barely got on a boarding group. I had some in laws with me that day at the park and wanted to do the ride but didn't understand how the system works which I imagine is a common issue for day guests.
I would argue it takes no prowess to walk by an attraction see the wait time and decide if it is worth it, but to each their own.That’s fair, but still requires as much (if not more) theme park prowess than using the app to get a return time.
If it was a standard queue the line wouldn't be 3hrs as people would not see the value in that. Putting your name in a virtual line where you can do anything during that time has very little opportunity cost so most peeps would do that versus waiting in an line for a lengthy period.100% true, but there’s a wider variety of guests willing to wait 40 minutes after a return time vs. physically wait 3 hours. It’s a different make-up of demos that doesn’t exclude hardcore theme park fans/APs that don’t care about riding other rides on their day in the park.
I see the more fair option as being one with minimal barrier for entry. Physical, see wait time and decide if it is worth it. Virtual, be on an app at a specified time (my case time down to the second) and hope you get it done quick enough. Glad this system works for you but for me, my group, my situation it stunk. Also my whole group could never have ridden this ride together with virtual as we were unable to figure out how to link tickets for the day.See above, I guess we can agree to disagree there. I just know as a casual fan who is only temporarily a local, I think the virtual system is a lot more fair.
Right, that’s my point Mr./Mrs. Sexeh.If it was a standard queue the line wouldn't be 3hrs as people would not see the value in that. Putting your name in a virtual line where you can do anything during that time has very little opportunity cost so most peeps would do that versus waiting in an line for a lengthy period.