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The Wizarding World of Harry Potter - Hogsmeade (Orlando): Part 2

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WTRiker said:
Actually I am trying to address the contradictory statements, Im trying to look at both sides.Note last post specifically addressing the "EVERYONE" statement. Yes this is utterly crazy for IOA this year, UO adding the summer concert series and some real name draws is adding to the insanty. But, you STILL have to take into account the non-potter faithful, your bread-and-butter per se, and also consider that for the first time in 2 or 3 years, attenance so far is way up across the board - not just the insanity at IOA because of Potter. I have seen more Brazillian tour groups so far this summer than in any of the last 5 summers. Travel TO America is getting cheap again Travel to Orlando is up. We are hosting Celebration V in just a few weeks - more insanity. (we got it because it has outgrown the convention centers in both Ca AND Chicago - and that was even in a recession!)
Again Im not trying to diss IOA, Potter, or any of it...I love it all. Im just trying to get a dialogue going based on what I have seen, what I have heard, what I have experienced, and the experiences of both people I know who are visiting and working in this madness. BTW: MK cast has been on mandatrory 6 and 7 days for MONTHS now, so no, its not just Potter thats doing this nonsense.
My WHOLE discussion was simply in how I believe there are better solutions to manage this - and seeing what other solutions other people out there had. Not to bitch and moan about potter!

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Actually we need to just utilize the backstage gate between Seuss and RRR area to jump between parks based on ride wait times: if we dont get caught that is! Saves all that walking past HRC!!!
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Those Brazillions are also fans. Remember, these books have been translated into MANY different languages. Don't make me laugh by saying that not everyone knows about this land, or that not everyone knows that it'll be insane. Just look around this thread and you'll find us talking about this. If there wasn't a line for the land, you wouldn't be able to do ANYTHING without a 5 hour wait. As has been said before, just because the lines for rides can hold hours of guests doesn't mean that they will. Hogsmeade would be filled. Sorry, not everyone is going to rush to the rides if you throw open the gates... We aren't all huge Harry Potter fans either (although I am xD), we are theme park enthusiasts, so we can look at it from both views as well...
 
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I think in the next week or two a fastpass system will be put into place over the summer. Where you will be able to enter after a certain time. This will allow guests to enjoy the rest of IOA while still controlling crowds. It really is the only solution I see.
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I think all of your points and ideas were on the money. The fastpass I kinda hinted at a week ago yet I detailed it too much with many return times. Your idea above works for me. And I think there should be signs outside of the gate telling guests this prior to entry after a fill time. They just might do this.

Sadly, I have had to block your posts WTRiker. You write far to many words to convey a simple idea. 400 words to convey a one sentence thought is not necessary. It is gibberish and I am tired of scrolling past it. So think hard how to state your idea in one or two sentences.
 
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Crowds will definitely be smaller during that time. One thing everyone has to remember is that this is busy for three main reasons:

1.) It is summer, the busiest time of the year.
2.) It is still Grand Opening week/month.
3.) It is a new attraction built to an extremely popular franchise.

With 2 of the 3 reasons being eliminated while you are gone, I would expect it to be much calmer.



First off, welcome to the site! :wave:

You're trip is during the end of the Summer time which means it is still going to be pretty busy. Will it be calmer than now? Most likely, yes. Either way, make the best out of your trip and enjoy it!
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And thank you Tbad, I was really hoping for that response, I'm really hoping my family can go then. Wish my Mom luck in finding a job, she needs it for the household, and if we want a chance of going this fall, she needs to have a job. :)
 
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A couple of issues with your theory though.

First off, even with the island being packed right now, no one is riding DC and Hippogriff. There's no way that you can force guests to queue up for the ride. They may be designed for long lines but it doesn't mean guests want to fill them up.

Secondly, there have been fights in the line to get into WWoHP so who is to say that it can't happen from mass crowds in Hogsmeade?

Finally, if they did get rid of the line into WWoHP, can you imagine the insanity. Even without Universal creating the organized line, there will be a line/crowd to get into WWoHP just due to the fact that the crowds are that large. Honestly, I think Universal is handling the situation just fine.
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Let me see if I can address this: Again dude, just my take on it:
Firstly, Yes, theres ALWAYS the possibilities of a fight. Heck, I saw a guy get Tazered by the cops during the MardiGras parade!

But consider the difference between folks moving around (even in a crowd) and folks stuck in a line for hours:
1. they are in direct heat - no shade. Ride queues are designed with that in mind (shade and fans).
2. Theyve got yellowshirts screaming at them constantly to stay in a line as not to block foot traffic - not much room to spread out and again no shade.
3. NO information given - FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE: they formed up 2 virtual lines, alternating between the "line sections" to try and seperate out the lines to utilize both enterances (gates) to WWoHP - after an hour in the line going to the back gate they told folks this was no longer the gate and they had to get into the other line, but didnt bother to lead them around, etc forcing people to have to go to the back of the main line and basically start over! You NEVER saw so many angry guests in your life in one place...and I can tell you a couple of yellow shirts almost got punched out over it!

4. By example, lets say you let 5000 people into the area, and you arent going to let anyone else in until 500 people leave so you can let a new group of 500 enter. Now most people are going to line up immediately for FJ, and then mingle around, maybe get back in line for FJ or get in the DC or FOTH queues. But you havent given the opportunity for new folks entering the area to "choose their path" per se, so the pattern of people does not change very much. Given this scenario, you will NEVER fill the other two queues because you have not changed up the numbers or the patterns. No you cant force people, but lets face it: on an average summer day before WWoHP existed, DD would have at least a 45-60 minute wait. You have just added a whole new Land (shops, etc) which is more space for people to access, you have added a new attraction whose queue coneratively should hold at least 2500 people without packing the lines, thats MORE SPACE that was not there before. So just in numbers, theres more space to put people, theres more space for access, simple math: open up the access points and folks should naturally migrate to the unutilized areas. Especially if they "get the weenie" at the end - in this case get to do a ride. But if you limit access and people arent migrating and leaving, your areas do not have the chance to fill up.
Notice that Spiderman has been posting 60-90 minute waits all week.
Why then is DC not posting 60-90 minute waits when it has every summer in recent history, even in a recession, AND its part of WWoHP?
RESTRICTED ACCESS to the queue area!
Part of the job of both themed lands AND queues for rides is to literally PUT PEOPLE SOMEWHERE to avoid exactly what UO is creating with the lines just to get into the area iteslf! THATS the part I am having a hard time understanding in all of this.
 
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ahh dont block the posts thats mean! haha, everyone has a right to say and express dude!
 
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WTRiker said:
Let me see if I can address this: Again dude, just my take on it:
Firstly, Yes, theres ALWAYS the possibilities of a fight. Heck, I saw a guy get Tazered by the cops during the MardiGras parade!

But consider the difference between folks moving around (even in a crowd) and folks stuck in a line for hours:
1. they are in direct heat - no shade. Ride queues are designed with that in mind (shade and fans).
2. Theyve got yellowshirts screaming at them constantly to stay in a line as not to block foot traffic - not much room to spread out and again no shade.
3. NO information given - FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE: they formed up 2 virtual lines, alternating between the "line sections" to try and seperate out the lines to utilize both enterances (gates) to WWoHP - after an hour in the line going to the back gate they told folks this was no longer the gate and they had to get into the other line, but didnt bother to lead them around, etc forcing people to have to go to the back of the main line and basically start over! You NEVER saw so many angry guests in your life in one place...and I can tell you a couple of yellow shirts almost got punched out over it!

4. By example, lets say you let 5000 people into the area, and you arent going to let anyone else in until 500 people leave so you can let a new group of 500 enter. Now most people are going to line up immediately for FJ, and then mingle around, maybe get back in line for FJ or get in the DC or FOTH queues. But you havent given the opportunity for new folks entering the area to "choose their path" per se, so the pattern of people does not change very much. Given this scenario, you will NEVER fill the other two queues because you have not changed up the numbers or the patterns. No you cant force people, but lets face it: on an average summer day before WWoHP existed, DD would have at least a 45-60 minute wait. You have just added a whole new Land (shops, etc) which is more space for people to access, you have added a new attraction whose queue coneratively should hold at least 2500 people without packing the lines, thats MORE SPACE that was not there before. So just in numbers, theres more space to put people, theres more space for access, simple math: open up the access points and folks should naturally migrate to the unutilized areas. Especially if they "get the weenie" at the end - in this case get to do a ride. But if you limit access and people arent migrating and leaving, your areas do not have the chance to fill up.
Notice that Spiderman has been posting 60-90 minute waits all week.
Why then is DC not posting 60-90 minute waits when it has every summer in recent history, even in a recession, AND its part of WWoHP?
RESTRICTED ACCESS to the queue area!
Part of the job of both themed lands AND queues for rides is to literally PUT PEOPLE SOMEWHERE to avoid exactly what UO is creating with the lines just to get into the area iteslf! THATS the part I am having a hard time understanding in all of this.
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Because DC isn't the big bad boy on campus anymore. FJ is. You put the most technologically advanced family ride right next to an intense roller coaster and you tell me which one is going to get more traffic.

Right now it is 7:07 in Orlando. The Gates are wide open (I'm assuming) FJ is 90 mins. DC is 15 mins. Look at the difference that opening those gates wide open made! All those coaster enthusiasts are going to kill each other scrambling to get on the Hungarian Horntail.
 
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Because DC isn't the big bad boy on campus anymore. FJ is. You put the most technologically advanced family ride right next to an intense roller coaster and you tell me which one is going to get more traffic.
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ABSOLUTELY no argument there - OF COURSE FJ will have more foot traffic. But it still doesnt completely explain the complete drop off from 60-90 prior to 10-30 now,(I would expect some drop off but not this dramatic) or the no more than 20 at all for FOTH which is very family friendly. (My 5 yr old can ride it but is not big enough for FJ).

And yes, DC only 15 now, but Spidey is also only 20 from a high of 90. That says the day-trippers are back in their hotel swimming pools. And FJ is down to posted 90, also points to the park clearing out: where are all the Potter faithful? Oh yeah, also back in their hotel swimming pools like all the other normal summer guests.
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:peace:
 
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ABSOLUTELY no argument there - OF COURSE FJ will have more foot traffic. But it still doesnt completely explain the complete drop off from 60-90 prior to 10-30 now,(I would expect some drop off but not this dramatic) or the no more than 20 at all for FOTH which is very family friendly. (My 5 yr old can ride it but is not big enough for FJ).
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Well the FotH at 20 minutes is because... it's FotH. I know it's lavishly themed, but no one is going to wait more than 45 minutes to ride a (remarkably) HP-themed Gadget's Go-Coaster.

As for the drop-off for DC, it used to be the most heavily-promoted ride at the back of the park. It was the star and had a HUGE front and center entrance. Now it's off to the side of a 150 CASTLE with a little arch announcing what it is!
 
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This question as virtually ignored when asked before, and I would be very interested to know the answer. What would the wandkeeper do if he picked someone who did not speak English?
 
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Well the FotH at 20 minutes is because... it's FotH. I know it's lavishly themed, but no one is going to wait more than 45 minutes to ride a (remarkably) HP-themed Gadget's Go-Coaster.
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LOL, guess youve never waited 40 minutes for Barnstormer or Woody Woodpecker with a 5 year old!
 
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Well the FotH at 20 minutes is because... it's FotH. I know it's lavishly themed, but no one is going to wait more than 45 minutes to ride a (remarkably) HP-themed Gadget's Go-Coaster.

As for the drop-off for DC, it used to be the most heavily-promoted ride at the back of the park. It was the star and had a HUGE front and center entrance. Now it's off to the side of a 150 CASTLE with a little arch announcing what it is!
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And it is a GREAT kiddie coaster. My favorite by far.
 
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Well the FotH at 20 minutes is because... it's FotH. I know it's lavishly themed, but no one is going to wait more than 45 minutes to ride a (remarkably) HP-themed Gadget's Go-Coaster.
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And the Dragon Challenge is a great coaster, but it's still an older attraction, therefore, anyone who has done it before will skip it, and I'm sure many people in the land have done it before. Even if it had an hour wait before the land opened, it stopped because noone cares about it. Everyone has been going to Forbidden Journey and the shops (and I think I may do just that, but I won't mind a ride on FotH or Dragon Challenge, because of the great views you can get of the land...
 
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This question as virtually ignored when asked before, and I would be very interested to know the answer. What would the wandkeeper do if he picked someone who did not speak English?
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I recall no one knowing what exactly would happen during this encounter last time it was asked.

Since then, I have read a review which mentioned that the child selected would not participate. The wandkeeper ended up saying something like, "It must not be your time" or something along those lines. He then went on to select another guest and went on as normal.
 
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Those Brazillions are also fans. Remember, these books have been translated into MANY different languages. Don't make me laugh by saying that not everyone knows about this land, or that not everyone knows that it'll be insane. Just look around this thread and you'll find us talking about this. If there wasn't a line for the land, you wouldn't be able to do ANYTHING without a 5 hour wait. As has been said before, just because the lines for rides can hold hours of guests doesn't mean that they will. Hogsmeade would be filled. Sorry, not everyone is going to rush to the rides if you throw open the gates... We aren't all huge Harry Potter fans either (although I am xD), we are theme park enthusiasts, so we can look at it from both views as well...
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Actually my observation about the # of Brazillian tour groups was from the # I have seen at Disney so far this year. I actually havent noticed a huge increase in the numbers on my trips to UO as of yet.
 
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I recall no one knowing what exactly would happen during this encounter last time it was asked.

Since then, I have read a review which mentioned that the child selected would not participate. The wandkeeper ended up saying something like, "It must not be your time" or something along those lines. He then went on to select another guest and went on as normal.
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It would be awkward however if the person did not know what the wandkeeper was telling them at all.
 
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Alright dude, you're right, everyone else is wrong. Your scientific experiments at Disney have proven that people don't know anything and will walk in saying "Who's Harry Potter?" when they get in a five hour line. The line is horrible idea. Everyone should be allowed in at one time so that they can complain to customer service people about the 4 hour wait for Ollivander's and 2 hour waits for the 3B and Butterbeer instead of complaining about waiting in line in the morning but not in the afternoon. You're right. Let's move on to other important things.

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It would be awkward however if the person did not know what the wandkeeper was telling them at all.
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Imagine if A) the tour groups arrive on the day Brazil wins the World Cup and B) you get put into Ollivander's with them! They wouldn't know what he was saying because they'll be chanting so loud! LOL!
 
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WTRiker, I'm sorry, but you may have experience of this in the past, but there have already been NUMEROUS people coming on here and saying that UO is handling everything great ever since the disaster at grand opening.

They have gotten their stuff together and are doing it the right way. If its empty right now, you know what that means right? Everyone in line got in, or gave up and came back later! So that means the line outside is working!

And just because the queue line holds 4 hours worth, it doesn't mean it will get up to 4 hours worth. DC's queue holds that much too since its a VERY long queue line, but it will never get that high because people have ridden it before and its not the new baby in town.

What would you rather drive? A 1993 Mustang, or a 2011 Mustang?

I understand your merit of open the flood gates, but that would be equal to the running of the bulls, and people WOULD get hurt.

UO has their stuff together. Point. Blank. Period.

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*rant over*
 
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And the Dragon Challenge is a great coaster, but it's still an older attraction, therefore, anyone who has done it before will skip it, and I'm sure many people in the land have done it before. Even if it had an hour wait before the land opened, it stopped because noone cares about it. Everyone has been going to Forbidden Journey and the shops (and I think I may do just that, but I won't mind a ride on FotH or Dragon Challenge, because of the great views you can get of the land...
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Yeah, but Hulk is still sporting a 55 minute wait this evening...doesnt make sense using the same argument above. Only real explination is Hulk is more visible - DC is restricted access and kind of hidden now - both probably hurting it.
 
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Imagine if A) the tour groups arrive on the day Brazil wins the World Cup and B) you get put into Ollivander's with them! They wouldn't know what he was saying because they'll be chanting so loud! LOL!
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GOD help us all, they are already extremely annoying, I can't stand them.
 
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No, no, Vyrus. There are scientific tests that prove that just because there is no line anymore, it doesn't mean that everyone got in. They were all kicked out of line by UO before closing because they don't follow Disney policy and those guests are now swimming and wondering why they didn't get on DC or FotH.
 
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