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Universal Studios Florida: What Do We Think About It?

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At most, I can see Spider-Man closing for a Pokemon retheme, which would be along with Toon Lagoon converted into Pokemon (entrance for the ride relocated next to the theater).

But I really don't see MSHI going away.
 
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Given what’s happening at USJ … I don’t think anyone can say Spider-Man is truly safe at IOA.
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Yeah. I don’t think any attraction at universal is ever truly safe. Even mummy and ET.
 
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Spider Man at USJ was an ending contract. Whole different scenario. Plus just one attraction, not an entire land like MSHI.
 
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I'm gonna throw out a curveball thought when it comes to MSHI--but I wonder if Universal is valuing the weight of what they are currently tied with in the terms of a business relationship with Disney, combined with the diminishing returns of several aspects of Marvel Entertainment (specifcally the cinematic ones) alongside the need to sever their ties with 20th Century at a specific moment in time.

I'm not saying it's great logic, but perhaps it might be prudent for Universal to consider the options of what might happen with taking Marvel out of the picture? MSHI has had over 2 decades of use, and has had changes and updates given to it. It's one of the most aged IP based lands in the themed entertainment industry, but I wonder if it's held back on evolution and modernization by that of the current contract outlines. A good thing to probably say on the MSHI thread, but I atleast wanted to say it here.
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Also just had a thought: Pokémon at MSHI would allow for a replacement to be developed that could work at USH and USF at the same times, as there is no real idea on what could replace Simpsons at usf.
 
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Spider Man at USJ was an ending contract. Whole different scenario. Plus just one attraction, not an entire land like MSHI.
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Correct.

Japan's situation with Marvel - like Hollywood before it - was dramatically different than Orlando's agreement.

Marvel isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Disney doesn't have the cashflow to buy them out, even if they wanted to.
 
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Correct.

Japan's situation with Marvel - like Hollywood before it - was dramatically different than Orlando's agreement.

Marvel isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Disney doesn't have the cashflow to buy them out, even if they wanted to.
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So Pokémon is still PLANNED to replace Simpsons? Alright. I still wonder what happens at USH.
 
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So Pokémon is still PLANNED to replace Simpsons? Alright. I still wonder what happens at USH.
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No one knows for sure. Please. Stop.
 
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We certainly think something could never happen, until it does.

I know what I’d do, but theme parks rarely, if ever, do what I would do.

I’m sure no one suspected Universal would close JAWS for their Potter expansion, when they already had the other half of a dying Lost Continent right there connected to the current Potter land. We’re used to it now, but seeing the announcement that Jaws was closing was a shock. And Lost Continent is still lying there more lifeless than ever to this day.
 
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We certainly think something could never happen, until it does.

I know what I’d do, but theme parks rarely, if ever, do what I would do.

I’m sure no one suspected Universal would close JAWS for their Potter expansion, when they already had the other half of a dying Lost Continent right there connected to the current Potter land. We’re used to it now, but seeing the announcement that Jaws was closing was a shock. And Lost Continent is still lying there more lifeless than ever to this day.
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Wasn’t Jaws, since day one, an enormous PITA for Universal to run though? MSHI overall doesn’t seem to have those same technical issues, but, I could be and probably am wrong.
 
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Wasn’t Jaws, since day one, an enormous PITA for Universal to run though? MSHI overall doesn’t seem to have those same technical issues, but, I could and probably am wrong.
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It was, but it was the best damn PITA around.
 
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It was, but it was the best damn PITA around.
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I miss Jaws. Got to ride it at night during HHN 20. It was my first HHN Orlando ever. And it was in a boat full of lively drunk guests. Good times.

Would love to see it brought back using the Mack showboat system or whatever it’s called. It should go where Supercharged is.
 
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Wasn’t Jaws, since day one, an enormous PITA for Universal to run though? MSHI overall doesn’t seem to have those same technical issues, but, I could and probably am wrong.
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Yeah, it cost a boatload to operate that led to numerous seasonal closures and periods of deliberately reduced show standards (i.e. no fire wall or even no pyro at all). It was well liked, to be sure, but it had declining ridership relative to some of the flashier experiences being installed, and I'm sure many components were nearing the end of their service life or became difficult to source. I'd argue Jaws itself going wasn't the shock - it was that Potter was taking that slot and uniting the parks via the train.
 
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I miss Jaws. Got to ride it at night during HHN 20. It was my first HHN Orlando ever. And it was in a boat full of lively drunk guests. Good times.

Would love to see it brought back using the Mack showboat system or whatever it’s called. It should go where Supercharged is.
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That’s funny that was an idea for a blue sky for universal Florida lol. Small world! I love that idea. Jaws was before my time.
 
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Wasn’t Jaws, since day one, an enormous PITA for Universal to run though? MSHI overall doesn’t seem to have those same technical issues, but, I could be and probably am wrong.
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And I imagine trying to work with Disney is an enormous PITA these days, but that’s just my guess.
 
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Yeah, it cost a boatload to operate that led to numerous seasonal closures and periods of deliberately reduced show standards (i.e. no fire wall or even no pyro at all). It was well liked, to be sure, but it had declining ridership relative to some of the flashier experiences being installed, and I'm sure many components were nearing the end of their service life or became difficult to source. I'd argue Jaws itself going wasn't the shock - it was that Potter was taking that slot and uniting the parks via the train.
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You can absolutely confirm this by just watching ride videos from the last 3 years of operation. The last main shark especially (the one that would bite the high voltage), it's really sad to see just how limited its motion became, especially when looking at videos from the 90s where it really did look like it was jumping full force out of the water.
 
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And I imagine trying to work with Disney is an enormous PITA these days, but that’s just my guess.
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I wouldn’t be surprised if universal goes “fine you win take marvel”. Disney must be annoying.
 
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I wouldn’t be surprised if universal goes “fine you win take marvel”. Disney must be annoying.
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No. That's not how this works.
 
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No. That's not how this works.
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Please, I don’t mean for this to be “I KNOW this is going to happen”, more so “maybe this could happen”. I apoglize I don’t want any trouble.
 
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Please, I don’t mean for this to be “I KNOW this is going to happen”, more so “maybe this could happen”. I apoglize I don’t want any trouble.
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But it isn't something that could maybe happen.

Obviously we can't expect everyone who joins the conversation here to know everything about everything by default, but I think it's fair to ask that people familiarize themselves with the basic foundational facts of what's being discussed before constantly weighing in.

In this case, it's been discussed at length over many years that Disney can't just be "annoying" to work with. They have to, through Marvel, deal with Universal in good faith. Otherwise, we wouldn't see major, advertised enhancements like the redone Hulk, the redone Spider-Man, or the refreshed character costumes (granted, that was long ago at this point, but if I'm not mistaken it was post-Disney acquisition). In turn, Universal has to maintain certain show standards and keep their presentation of the characters consistent with the Marvel brand. But Disney can't just decide to be petty and refuse to approve whatever Universal throws at them - that would be a breach of contract, and it would likely lead to litigation (or arbitration, if that's what's specified).

It would never be as simple as Universal going "oh hey, Disney's so frustrating to work with this on this, let's just give up these rights that are worth billions of dollars." They would attempt to enforce their contractual rights, and likely prevail.
 
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But it isn't something that could maybe happen.

Obviously we can't expect everyone who joins the conversation here to know everything about everything by default, but I think it's fair to ask that people familiarize themselves with the basic foundational facts of what's being discussed before constantly weighing in.

In this case, it's been discussed at length over many years that Disney can't just be "annoying" to work with. They have to, through Marvel, deal with Universal in good faith. Otherwise, we wouldn't see major, advertised enhancements like the redone Hulk, the redone Spider-Man, or the refreshed character costumes (granted, that was long ago at this point, but if I'm not mistaken it was post-Disney acquisition). In turn, Universal has to maintain certain show standards and keep their presentation of the characters consistent with the Marvel brand. But Disney can't just decide to be petty and refuse to approve whatever Universal throws at them - that would be a breach of contract, and it would likely lead to litigation (or arbitration, if that's what's specified).

It would never be as simple as Universal going "oh hey, Disney's so frustrating to work with this on this, let's just give up these rights that are worth billions of dollars." They would attempt to enforce their contractual rights, and likely prevail.
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I assume Alicia’s main viewpoint on Universal’s perspective would be that while the rides are still popular, contractual agreements keep them from making major changes to the area with the current theme and locks them into other restrictions that are troublesome to work with and that they don’t have with any other licensed themes.

If they have the option to switch the area to another immensely popular IP that would give them more freedom in development and marketing with an almost guaranteed huge ROI, it is definitely still something that can and will be looked into.
 
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