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Universal's New Park/Site B Blue Sky Thread

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Felipe said:
The point was about the "clamoring," not about caring. The majority will experience a ride or attraction and their enjoyment will be determined by many other factors than just IP. Also, as it's been mentioned before, there's only a few IPs with Potter's or Star Wars' draw, and they won't have a park with all huge IPs. UCM would be a great in-between land solely being horror and a Uni IP. People love to get scared and all that jazz (and regardless of old or modern, popular or obscure) I believe anything horror would do the trick.
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You know what, you've won me over. It could happen.
 
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The reason no one is currently clamoring for the classic monsters is because right now no one is doing anything good with these characters. If there were actual good movies it would be a different story. This however does not mean Uni shouldn’t try making an attraction. If they make a compelling attraction it’ll sell itself. They don’t call these “classic monsters” for nothing.

Btw I’m a supporter of having Castle Dracula as the parks central icon due to its history with Universal. Plus it’s about as opposite from princess as you can get ;)
 
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I think something like Classic Monsters would be the closest you'll get to an "original" land in Park 3, too. I would not expect anything other than IP-driven lands.
 
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Classic monsters reach a far greater group of people than Five Nights, Resident Evil or any other new horror. Those are HHN IPs. Classic Monsters ride through Dracula’s castle like mentioned earlier is the far better idea.
 
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Classic Monsters absolutely could happen. I mean, hell, Dark Universe was being considered.
 
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happy bunny rabbit said:
You know what, you've won me over. It could happen.
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Thank you, come again! ;-P In all seriousness, I haven't been here in a while, and it was great to have a classic intelligent and civil OU/IU discussion. Cheers!
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Whatever they end up doing will be amazing and I can't wait. I'll just be a lot happier if there's a proper horror/UCM representation in the park. Time will tell!
 
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I think something like Classic Monsters would be the closest you'll get to an "original" land in Park 3, too. I would not expect anything other than IP-driven lands.
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awe :'(
 
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awe :'(
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I mean no one should be surprised. They haven't built an original land since 1999
 
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Most guests show up at the theme parks with little clue what IPs they showcase unless it's one of those rare IPs that drives the market. I've visited the Orlando parks many times with people that are absolutely clueless what IPs are inside until they get a map in the park.

And there's very few of those IPs that breakthrough and drive attendance.

At the 4th gate, the market driving IPs will be Super Nintendo World and LOTR.

Everything else is there to complement those.

Theme parks are like basketball teams. You have superstars (IPs that shift attendance) and role players (IPs that people will enjoy when they're already in the park).

Before Harry Potter, Universal mostly had role player types of IPs. IPs like Jurassic, Mummy, Kong, MIB, Simpsons, etc. (i.e. well-known movie/tv IPs) are great at entertaining people after they get in the parks.


Even among superstar IPs, there are different tiers, so I'd list as follows:

True Superstars: these will shift attendance by the millions, i.e. park headliners:
Harry Potter, Star Wars, Super Nintendo World - Mario

Next level of Superstars: these will shift attendance but not by as much as first group: LOTR, Pokemon, Star Trek, Marvel/DC

Roleplayers: great at entertaining guests when they're in the parks already: Jurassic, Zelda, Toy Story Land, Frozen, MIB, Mummy, Simpsons, etc.
 
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Mike S said:
The reason no one is currently clamoring for the classic monsters is because right now no one is doing anything good with these characters. If there were actual good movies it would be a different story. This however does not mean Uni shouldn’t try making an attraction. If they make a compelling attraction it’ll sell itself. They don’t call these “classic monsters” for nothing.

Btw I’m a supporter of having Castle Dracula as the parks central icon due to its history with Universal. Plus it’s about as opposite from princess as you can get ;)
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Uni's version of PotC. Spawn new movies off the land/rides, lol.

That would be an amazing weenie!
 
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Classic monsters reach a far greater group of people than Five Nights, Resident Evil or any other new horror. Those are HHN IPs. Classic Monsters ride through Dracula’s castle like mentioned earlier is the far better idea.
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They can go full Haunted Mansion and have the Invisible Man as your host. Maybe even have a mechanism in the ride vehicle for a neat effect.

“Well, that concludes our tour. Now: get out.” *push*
 
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JungleSkip said:
I mean no one should be surprised. They haven't built an original land since 1999
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They've also only built 3 lands total since then. and a completely original park. so...
 
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JungleSkip said:
I mean no one should be surprised. They haven't built an original land since 1999
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In fairness... Volcano Bay. But I hear ya.
 
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In fairness... Volcano Bay. But I hear ya.
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Eh. Water parks are a different beast, but fair enough.
 
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Most guests show up at the theme parks with little clue what IPs they showcase unless it's one of those rare IPs that drives the market. I've visited the Orlando parks many times with people that are absolutely clueless what IPs are inside until they get a map in the park.

And there's very few of those IPs that breakthrough and drive attendance.

At the 4th gate, the market driving IPs will be Super Nintendo World and LOTR.

Everything else is there to complement those.

Theme parks are like basketball teams. You have superstars (IPs that shift attendance) and role players (IPs that people will enjoy when they're already in the park).

Before Harry Potter, Universal mostly had role player types of IPs. IPs like Jurassic, Mummy, Kong, MIB, Simpsons, etc. (i.e. well-known movie/tv IPs) are great at entertaining people after they get in the parks.


Even among superstar IPs, there are different tiers, so I'd list as follows:

True Superstars: these will shift attendance by the millions, i.e. park headliners:
Harry Potter, Star Wars, Super Nintendo World - Mario

Next level of Superstars: these will shift attendance but not by as much as first group: LOTR, Pokemon, Star Trek, Marvel/DC

Roleplayers: great at entertaining guests when they're in the parks already: Jurassic, Zelda, Toy Story Land, Frozen, MIB, Mummy, Simpsons, etc.
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Pokémon definitely belongs in tier 1. Just look at the excitement about the first main game coming to a home console. A land would be several times bigger.
 
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Pokémon definitely belongs in tier 1. Just look at the excitement about the first main game coming to a home console. A land would be several times bigger.
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Go outside the Nintendo fanbase bubble. I hate to say it, but no one else gives a Snorlax
 
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happy bunny rabbit said:
Go outside the Nintendo fanbase bubble. I hate to say it, but no one else gives a Snorlax
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This couldn’t be more wrong. Look at Pokémon Go when it launched. Pokémon is huge all over.
 
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I hate to say it, but no one else gives a Snorlax
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Nah, that’s preposterous. Pokémon is insanely huge. It doesn’t offer as much theme park potential as Mario, but it’s still huge
 
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Imperius said:
This couldn’t be more wrong. Look at Pokémon Go when it launched. Pokémon is huge all over.
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Pokemon go was a fad, but that's besides the point. I was saying that no one cares about Pokemon switch, not the IP itself.
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Nah, that’s preposterous. Pokémon is insanely huge. It doesn’t offer as much theme park potential as Mario, but it’s still huge
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Go was a fad, but it shows the IP is immensely popular.
 
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