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Discussion in 'Halloween Horror Nights 27' started by romo, Sep 14, 2017.

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    You act like i've no experience with the event. :P

    And why would anyone stay at a job where they're punched in the face repeatedly and why is this not on the news?
     
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    A lot of things don't make the news. You yourself brought it up recently when talking about people jumping from the Contemporary.
     
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    Just people's own justifications ;)

    But seriously, if it's as bad as you say the event is irreparably broken and for the safety of the cast should be canceled.

    If your justification of getting punched nightly is "but the event has to go on!" then priorities are really far off and wrong.

    Like i said, multiple issues combining to exacerbate things.

    (Note: Real simple fix is to design it so guests cant punch the actors.. or design boxing masks into their costumes.. You didnt think I'd let Aiello go blameless in this did you?)
     
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    What's with your vendetta against HHN? You seem to try and do whatever possible to get it shut down. I'd like to know what poor experience led you to have this opinion.
     
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    I'm suggesting it's not as bad as hysteria suggests.

    If you think it is that bad unsafe for the actors, then yes it should be shut down.
     
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    I never defended anything, there's a lot of things HHN could/should do better.

    Going back to my original point though, it's not like it's just some person who can't handle themselves busting someone for something they didn't do. Safety of the performers needs to be a what ops looks out for. They can rarely stop things from happening, but they will track you down if they see it happening.
     
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    And the ops people are not the usual TM staff no sane one would take the pay cut to work it.
     
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    Seriously this is getting pathetic. Give it a break with your HHN hate.

    The topic is HHN Drink changes. Unless you have something to add that's on topic, please kindly exit the thread. :wave:
     
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    Sorry to hear as well Dave. I also missed quoting a post about scareactors empowerment. I know I posted somewhere about how I noticed they were not taking any crap this year, how I saw an actor (on stilts) pointing someone out to security.

    The said thing I think I see from what is being described is that people naturally profile based on their personal experiences. I would think this is a bad traight for security....I feel I fly under the radar when with my family and well over it when they go back to the room and I stay with my camera...but I hate to think some ticked off blogger (just making up a hypothetical) could see someone they do not like, they report them just to wreck their night...security goes in with this ‘all guilty regardless, over no sign of admitting you were wrong’ mentality....
     
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    Quite shocking how theme parks rarely make the news. If the alligator incident didn't occur the same time as Pulse, it probably wont have been reported.
     
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    Okay, now I’m offended by this.

    A large percentage of scareactors are regular TMs that do regular shifts during the year. Ops are selected by department managers from regular TMs. It may not be the majority, but it’s enough to count. So, right there your presumptions are incorrect.

    Scareactors have ALWAYS been encouraged to report abuse, and abuse has always happened. In Catacombs, I personally averaged four a night. I’m 6’1”, 210 lbs, and would only report it if I was actively abused, ie grabbed or punched. One guy I reported was an NFL player who wrenched my neck. The house itself would report about five an hour. I was the only person who missed a set in that house the entire run and that was one set because Security wanted to know if I wanted to press formal charges against the NFL player.

    In Screamhouse in 2002, we averaged about the same. In fact that year, one girl was punched three times in one night across (across 2 sets). She was 18 years old and a first year scareactor. After getting punched twice, she went back on set to get punched again. All three times it was grown-ass men doing the hitting. She came back the next night.

    So to imply that the protecting of scareactors is new (or that the abuse of scareactors is a recent thing) is insulting. There are about three hundred scareactors working a night four eight hours scaring at least 5,000 people an hour. By saying “average scareactor,” you talk like 100 performers are taking half the night off because people are mean.

    Scareactors regularly put up with actual, physical abuse on a routine basis. The ones who can’t hack it typically don’t last past opening weekend. If you haven’t scared or had conversations about scaring with more than one or two people, stop talking out of your ass.

    Scareactors don’t report abuse without a reason. And the process is “this happened, that person did it, I want them trespassed, I’m going back on set.” Don’t act like you know anything about this process, because it’s apparent that from your perspective scareactors should grow a pair and appreciate to get groped or assaulted by assholes.
     
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    This really saddens me......

    For it to happen once is bad enough but twice is tantamount to bullying, the over zealous policing of the event is not on and needs addressing, I hope you report this Dave.

    I know how much you enjoy HHN and the resort in general Dave # so to hear that a friend of mine is so pissed at the treatment received that he wont be attending the event again makes me sad and angry. I wouldn't blame you either for cancelling your ressies for thanks giving, things like this sit like a stone in the stomach and sometimes voting with your feet is the way to go.


    I understand they have had issues in the past with guests abusing scare actors but come on Universal lets not colour everyone with the same brush. Maybe a well written letter is in order pointing out the issues that seem to be putting a dampener on the event for some people.
     
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    I have yet to respond to Universal. I have had a really long day that involved being in Sarasota by 10am and sleeping 3hrs at the rest area on I-75 on my way back to Orlando.
     
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    This is really scary. I go every week and i hang out in the zones to take pics, i always hope that no one working is bothered by people that hang around the zones. I always try to be as invisible as possible But i wonder if actors get annoyed or not. And it would be horrible to be acused of stuff that u didnt do. Specially hhn veteran fans that follow the rules and dont cause trouble. It would be crushing.
    Something that bothers me a lot is when people mess with the actors or use flash in front of coordinators and they dont get in any trouble or get a verbal warning. It is scary to think they confused you with a bad person.
     
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    Ya know, you're just confirming the problems have been known about and the actors are just putting up with it and there isn't enough follow through on removing guests. Any contact should be grounds for trespass. It should be reported every time and the guests should be removed every time.

    There should be processes in place to handle the frequency which it happens.

    Really, the company should be doing something to prevent it from happening.

    This is not some highly trained and specialized position where you're combat trained.

    Remember Blackfish? Where we learned putting people that look good in swimsuits into pools with Orcas resulted in countless injuries over the years?

    Remember how OSHA was like "screw your show, no one is allowed in the pool" ??

    Maybe it's time for OSHA to intervene.
     
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    Things are gonna getso bad that they are gonna have to put every single actor behind fences or gates or something.

    Or maybe just prohibit actors from getting too close to people
     
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    It really does bring up the question of why the in-your-face scares aren't puppets or mannequins or something.

    It's not like using such items would be below their standards. The houses are full of static bodies.

    Like, why does a living person need to be close enough to get punched in a position that gets punched multiple times a night?
     
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    That’s where the whole “Boo and Skidoo”/“Scream and Scram” training comes from.

    The whole point of scaring is to trigger a heightened emotional response. It’s supposed to cause fight or flight. The only way to not let any scareactors get assaulted is to either A) put everyone behind protection or distance and therefore ruin the simulated danger that causes the scare (everyone complaining about Fallen) or B ) stop scaring.

    If I reported every time I got hit, my four a night average would likely jump to thirty a night. Hits, slaps, brushes, happen. Getting hit as a reaction is different than getting assaulted (or ambushed, another common attempt).
     
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    I'm pretty sure OSHA won't agree that you being injured in order to entertain people is acceptable.

    We're not talking a freak accident or one off. We're taking nightly, as youve said.

    It is not acceptable to expect people performing in HHN houses in a temporary job getting paid pennies to be subjected to such treatment under the purview of their employer.
     
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    It’s not just a HHN problem. Any event that features tight quarter scares experiences this issue. HHN just happens to be the biggest event out of em all.

    Time to move on from the soapbox.
     
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