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Three weeks left in this quarter. WDW has come up with a neat gimmick in increase attendance.

Just found out they did something similar last year. Still, it is clever.
 
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Another sign WDW short term offerings are not working. Thus time it is Star Wars.

Disney's New Star Wars Attractions Have Flopped...and Some Could be Set to Close Already | Theme Park Tourist
 
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Interesting.I just said the same thing the other day...With people tiring of this over exposure already, and almost fooled by Disney marketing that this was the actual legitimate Star Wars stuff for DHS, and the "real" expansion at least three years away...maybe Star Wars hysteria will fizzle out by the time SWL opens...and it might be a fairly decent attendance....but maybe not as big as they expect...and possibly falling fall short of a Harry Potter phase opening. Questions are starting to pop up in my mind....and I'm a Star Wars fan from day one. I attended the second day showing...We just may be taking too much for granted. ....This is kind of a crazy and far out opinion, but you never know for sure how things will turn out so far in advance.
 
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Interesting.I just said the same thing the other day...With people tiring of this over exposure already, and almost fooled by Disney marketing that this was the actual legitimate Star Wars stuff for DHS, and the "real" expansion at least three years away...maybe Star Wars hysteria will fizzle out by the time SWL opens...and it might be a fairly decent attendance....but maybe not as big as they expect...and possibly falling fall short of a Harry Potter phase opening. Questions are starting to pop up in my mind....and I'm a Star Wars fan from day one. I attended the second day showing...We just may be taking too much for granted. ....This is kind of a crazy and far out opinion, but you never know for sure how things will turn out so far in advance.
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The Star Wars shows work better as additional entertainment at Star Wars Weekends than as full fledged attractions. I can't imagine many guests doing these more than once.

When Harry Potter opened it was the first time guests had an opportunity to be in the Wizarding World other than that set exhibit. Star Wars has been in Disney resorts for decades. I don't think SW has anywhere near that level of pent up demand.
 
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Last fiscal quarter Disney and SeaWorld recorded declines in attendance in Orlando. Universal reported steady attendance. Mentions on multiple threads here have suggested that crowds have declined at all parks during the summer. Someone mentioned a decline in hotel fill rates at Disney Springs and it was just announced that those hotels are having some rate sales. Also heard Orlando hotel occupancy rates are down this year. I don't know how Universal hotels are doing.

The declines started before all of the tragedies in Orlando so the root causes are elsewhere, though it could make the declines worse. Is this a blip due to overseas tourism drops from Brazil, a longer trend due to weakness in the US economy or are theme park trips getting too expensive? Gas prices are down so you would think that would encourage travel.

Could this impact the theme park wars? Would the parks cut back due to loss of income, stay the course to bring back business or are current projects so far along that they will get done regardless of economy?

I do think any downturn would be less severe than the last since it would not be bank based. Those tend to be more severe and longer in duration.
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My 2 cents on the issue is that the American Spirit has bee
Galaxy Defender said:
Last fiscal quarter Disney and SeaWorld recorded declines in attendance in Orlando. Universal reported steady attendance. Mentions on multiple threads here have suggested that crowds have declined at all parks during the summer. Someone mentioned a decline in hotel fill rates at Disney Springs and it was just announced that those hotels are having some rate sales. Also heard Orlando hotel occupancy rates are down this year. I don't know how Universal hotels are doing.

The declines started before all of the tragedies in Orlando so the root causes are elsewhere, though it could make the declines worse. Is this a blip due to overseas tourism drops from Brazil, a longer trend due to weakness in the US economy or are theme park trips getting too expensive? Gas prices are down so you would think that would encourage travel.

Could this impact the theme park wars? Would the parks cut back due to loss of income, stay the course to bring back business or are current projects so far along that they will get done regardless of economy?

I do think any downturn would be less severe than the last since it would not be bank based. Those tend to be more severe and longer in duration.
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My 2 cents for what it is worth is that ISIS and other groups have WON. This is not the home of the brave. My wife doesnt even want to go to the shopping mall or to a movie theater. We went to a fire work display for 4th of July and had to leave because she was jumping everytime a firework exploded. With the economy humming, gas prices at its lowest, one would think attendance would be up despite the increase in prices to enter the parks. Add ZEKA to the ISIS reality and people are fearful to go anywhere. I am going to be aware where ever I go go but will not live in a bubble.
 
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My 2 cents for what it is worth is that ISIS and other groups have WON. This is not the home of the brave. My wife doesnt even want to go to the shopping mall or to a movie theater. We went to a fire work display for 4th of July and had to leave because she was jumping everytime a firework exploded. With the economy humming, gas prices at its lowest, one would think attendance would be up despite the increase in prices to enter the parks. Add ZEKA to the ISIS reality and people are fearful to go anywhere. I am going to be aware where ever I go go but will not live in a bubble.
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*Zika

If this was remotely true travel to local parks would be down and UOR wouldn't be hitting a record fall (and, so far, a bigger fall for WDW). It's occam's razor: years of no new major attractions in several of the parks competing against UOR has caused attendance to plummet.
 
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If this was remotely true travel to local parks would be down and UOR wouldn't be hitting a record fall (and, so far, a bigger fall for WDW). It's occam's razor: years of no new major attractions in several of the parks competing against UOR has caused attendance to plummet.
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Love that play on words.:thumbsup:
 
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Love that play on words.:thumbsup:
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I see what you mean, but I meant it literally. WDW is sounding like it'll be more busy this fall as the prices go down, festivals start, etc.
 
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When Harry Potter opened it was the first time guests had an opportunity to be in the Wizarding World other than that set exhibit. Star Wars has been in Disney resorts for decades. I don't think SW has anywhere near that level of pent up demand.
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Then why did Diagon have huge crowds on opening day? :rolleyes:
 
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I see what you mean, but I meant it literally. WDW is sounding like it'll be more busy this fall as the prices go down, festivals start, etc.
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It'll be interesting to see if WDW can match what they did last year in their fall first quarter (Oct. Nov. Dec.). We were there on site for two weeks in early October and all four parks were spring break crowd levels. I remember Touring Plans upgraded the crowd levels twice in the months before we went and they still fell way short of the crowd levels that showed up. Things like Star Tours 2 had 90 minute lines. Getting to the parks when they opened was the only thing that saved our vacation. Otherwise we would have been standing in long lines all day except for the few Fastpasses they give you. It was crazy busy.
 
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So far I don't think any of the MNSSHPs are sold out and by this time last year several dates were. Halloween night sold out well in advance. So far all dates are still showing tickets available.
 
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Then why did Diagon have huge crowds on opening day? :rolleyes:
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Good point. I don't think Diagon had the same level of crowds, but UO did try to prevent a repeat of last time. Lets put it another way. I don't think SWL will have as much of an impact on DHS as HP did on IOA

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So far I don't think any of the MNSSHPs are sold out and by this time last year several dates were. Halloween night sold out well in advance. So far all dates are still showing tickets available.
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I think there are more dates this year, so that might be part of it.
 
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Disney also screwed up moving nights of Joy out of the parks and to the World of Sports this weekend. Rather than not sitting through acts you don't like and going on rides, now they are stuck at a sports facility.

And also Universal having the more secular and popular musical artists this weekend will definitely increase over Dis.
 
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Galaxy Defender said:
The Star Wars shows work better as additional entertainment at Star Wars Weekends than as full fledged attractions. I can't imagine many guests doing these more than once.

When Harry Potter opened it was the first time guests had an opportunity to be in the Wizarding World other than that set exhibit. Star Wars has been in Disney resorts for decades. I don't think SW has anywhere near that level of pent up demand.
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I profoundly disagree. The level of demand for Star Wars is higher than its been in a long time, all you have to do is look at the number of views for the Rogue One trailers. Star Wars fans will go bonkers. I'm not a massive fan myself (I do thoroughly enjoy the series though), but I do know many friends (Star Wars fans, not theme park people), who are planning to go on opening day. They would never do anything of the sort had it been a different franchise. I must remind you, Star Wars is the largest film franchise on Earth, and especially in the U.S. Here's an article that explains just how big it is: Star Wars Worth More Than Harry Potter and James Bond, Combined.
 
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I profoundly disagree. The level of demand for Star Wars is higher than its been in a long time, all you have to do is look at the number of views for the Rogue One trailers. Star Wars fans will go bonkers. I'm not a massive fan myself (I do thoroughly enjoy the series though), but I do know many friends (Star Wars fans, not theme park people), who are planning to go on opening day. They would never do anything of the sort had it been a different franchise. I must remind you, Star Wars is the largest film franchise on Earth, and especially in the U.S. Here's an article that explains just how big it is: Star Wars Worth More Than Harry Potter and James Bond, Combined.
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I consider Star Wars to be massively overexposed and over commercialized. But that's just me.
 
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I profoundly disagree. The level of demand for Star Wars is higher than its been in a long time, all you have to do is look at the number of views for the Rogue One trailers. Star Wars fans will go bonkers. I'm not a massive fan myself (I do thoroughly enjoy the series though), but I do know many friends (Star Wars fans, not theme park people), who are planning to go on opening day. They would never do anything of the sort had it been a different franchise. I must remind you, Star Wars is the largest film franchise on Earth, and especially in the U.S. Here's an article that explains just how big it is: Star Wars Worth More Than Harry Potter and James Bond, Combined.
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Star Wars may be worth more than them combined in all aspects but doesn't necessarily translate in areas where you want. Just like Hello Kitty makes more than everything but Disney Princesses but isn't the big money maker at USO but everywhere in Asia and outside theme parks it does.
 
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I consider Star Wars to be massively overexposed and over commercialized. But that's just me.
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I think you're confusing heavily/over the top with overdone. Economics would tell us that if anything is overdone, there would be a surplus of supply vs demand. The Star Wars merchandise is selling quite handsomely (in case you haven't noticed). So objectively-speaking, the public isn't tired of it yet, at least by the measure of the most accurate poll: money.
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Star Wars may be worth more than them combined in all aspects but doesn't necessarily translate in areas where you want. Just like Hello Kitty makes more than everything but Disney Princesses but isn't the big money maker at USO but everywhere in Asia and outside theme parks it does.
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Yes, that's true, but as you point out Hello Kitty is big in Asia, but not even close in western countries (I would imagine, haven't seen the statistics), I think if a well-done Hello Kitty land was built in Asia, it would do quite well. However, the U.S. is one of Star Wars' best/biggest markets. Harry Potter, for instance, is actually more popular in other countries than in the U.S., sales wise (though obviously still very big in the U.S.). Star Wars, on the other hand is bigger in the U.S., than rest of the world (proportionally). Take, for example, the inflation-adjusted domestic box office for Deathly Hallows Part 2 (highest worldwide grossing of the HP movies) and Sorcerer's Stone vs the Star Wars movies:
A New Hope: $1.236 billion
Force Awakens: $936 million
Phantom Menace: $734 million
Return of the Jedi: $701 million
Empire Strikes Back: $682 million
Revenge of the Sith: $513 million
Sorcerer's Stone: $484 million (highest domestic grossing of the HP movies)
Attack of the Clones: $450 million (lowest grossing of the Star Wars movies)
Deathly Hallows: $415 million
(All other HP movies are below Deathly Hallows)
Again, this is inflation-adjusted U.S. domestic. Internationally, HP is a bit more competitive. But, what this says is that Star Wars is unimaginably strong in the home country of the SWL expansions.
 
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Caught up on this thread and a couple things..

Disney has the right to stop people from transferring tickets, just like musicians have a right to stop counterfeit copies of their songs. Universal was the first one to Crack down on this as they started the actual fingerprint readings first.

Sea world blows both parks out of the water when it comes to Christmas and that is BEFORE they use Rudolph and others. WDW is second as a resort wide offerings and decorations. Universal is so far behind it isn't even funny. Yes, I see 2017 being their year to change this, but 2016 with the same tired boring offerings they still won't touch Disney without Osborne Lights. Their decorations need to be stepped up big time. If you have never been to Sea world Christmas then you can't understand what makes it great or why it crushes it's competition. The sad part is attendance doesn't reflect it's true dominance. If more people knew how great it was it would be jammed packed from thanksgiving to new years.
 
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Galaxy Defender said:
The Star Wars shows work better as additional entertainment at Star Wars Weekends than as full fledged attractions. I can't imagine many guests doing these more than once.

When Harry Potter opened it was the first time guests had an opportunity to be in the Wizarding World other than that set exhibit. Star Wars has been in Disney resorts for decades. I don't think SW has anywhere near that level of pent up demand.
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The Wizarding World is also authentic in that it features locations shown in the movies and allows you to 'step into them'. Star Wars Land is a 'generically' star-warsy location not shown in the movies. I cannot understand this at all, it seems ludicrous to me.
I did the secret cinema Empire Strikes Back in London last year and they recreated Tatooine in an old factory to an incredible standard, it was like I was IN the movie. Sitting in the cantina drinking blue juice, surrounded by crazy creatures and with Han Solo & Chewie in the booth next to us was AMAZING!
 
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Sea world blows both parks out of the water when it comes to Christmas and that is BEFORE they use Rudolph and others. If you have never been to Sea world Christmas then you can't understand what makes it great or why it crushes it's competition. The sad part is attendance doesn't reflect it's true dominance. If more people knew how great it was it would be jammed packed from thanksgiving to new years.
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AMEN!

There is no park that feels as much like the true Christmas spirit in Orlando than SeaWorld. And Christmas Town at Busch Gardens same thing.

I'm about as far from being a religious person as you'll ever meet, but both parks really create CHRISTMAS, not just generic holiday and that's what makes them better at it. And I get it, both WDW and UO cater to an international clientele who they don't want to alienate with being too overtly religious, but it's Christmas that's really being celebrated.
 
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