DHS Pixar Expansion/Sound Stage 1

[JungleSkip]

He made a statement with nothing to back is up... that's pretty much the definition right there.

And Martin's statement was different how?

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I'll have a wager with you, as what Martin has said plus walls up soon and that hat out the front of the park.

Something happening at DHS and something happening at DHS bigger than DCA are two very different things.

DCA got 1.2 billion dollars pumped into it. If DHS gets more than that, we'll talk.

 

[IzzyB]

Based on the rumors from multiple sources on individual projects I would have to say there are some major reasons to believe that DHS could get a makeover the size of DCA or larger. It also makes very good sense based on the attendance numbers this past summer. All the puzzle pieces are there, but I also agree plans do change, so until you see construction or an announcement it is hard to make anything 100% sure. The closing of the backlot tour I think was very telling about the plans Disney has for this park.

Something happening at DHS and something happening at DHS bigger than DCA are two very different things.

DCA got 1.2 billion dollars pumped into it. If DHS gets more than that, we'll talk.

I don't agree with this statement because money is not always everything. It is the end product. They could put more additions and changes into DHS and not spend 1.2 billion if they spend the money wisely. As people have stated we won't get the rock work if they add in parts of carsland, which was a huge expense. That money could go elsewhere and give people going to this park more. It is how you spend the money, not how much is spent.

It is like saying Disney spent more on New Fantasy land than Universal did on a project, so it must make Disney's expansion better. You can't compare things that way.

 

[shiekra38]

Not to mention DCA needed a lot of face lifting theming wise as well...I mean the whole front entrance was redone..HS is a much better looking park in the front end in my opinion, just with little content..if the back end was redone with multiple expansions the park would be 2nd place in the Florida Disney park race IMO..

 

[JungleSkip]

I don't agree with this statement because money is not always everything. It is the end product. They could put more additions and changes into DHS and not spend 1.2 billion if they spend the money wisely. As people have stated we won't get the rock work if they add in parts of carsland, which was a huge expense. That money could go elsewhere and give people going to this park more. It is how you spend the money, not how much is spent.

It is like saying Disney spent more on New Fantasy land than Universal did on a project, so it must make Disney's expansion better. You can't compare things that way.

I'd argue building any semblance of Cars Land without rockwork is receiving less of what DCA did.

 

[IzzyB]

I'd argue building any semblance of Cars Land without rockwork is receiving less of what DCA did.

Not if we also get Star Wars, expansion to toy story, and other things that have been rumored to occur. I don't want a carbon copy of what DCA has, I want some original material mixed in with clones that are going to be cheaper to do (since minimal R&D is needed). By doing a combo and keeping construction costs down we will get a larger makeover for DHS where it is needed. DHS needs more things to do, not huge rock work and a racing part similar to Test Track. I am not saying they don't need a good theme, they do. They need to make the outside and inside look nice, but they can do that without rock work.

The other thing about cost is labor cost. I am pretty sure labor is cheaper in Florida because of some of the insane labor laws in California. Especially the laws around overtime and how that works.

So no rock work, less R&D on cloned rides, and lower labor costs could mean a larger than DCA re-do with lower costs. I really think this will be a huge win for Disney and really turn DHS around in attendance numbers. Because that park needs something or the attendance is just going to keep falling.

 

[twebber55]

I'd argue building any semblance of Cars Land without rockwork is receiving less of what DCA did.

obviously making cars land lite would be just a small part of this make over where as Cars land was the main part of DCA make over
if Martin and Lee are saying this I would take their word

 

[OrlandoGuy]

Something happening at DHS and something happening at DHS bigger than DCA are two very different things.

DCA got 1.2 billion dollars pumped into it. If DHS gets more than that, we'll talk.

As has been said, money does not equal scale. Being on par with DCA could mean any number of things, such as amount of stuff replaced, value of any potential IPs brought in, overall projections in attendance boosts, etc., none of which have anything to do with the price tag. I will be following this project very closely, as a massive overhaul of DHS has the potential to be the most exciting development at WDW in decades.

 

[Parkscope Joe]

Star Wars will be an expansion not a replacement. The hat removal is planned to happen this fiscal year. TSPL around the BLT area. TSMM 3rd track. There are phase two plans but, I mean phase two hasn't even happened at DCA.

 

[Teebin]

^ Good clean info (as it currently stands). Thanks.

Since when do they expand a relatively crappy yet unfathomably popular attraction? Is it that there are so few young family attractions in this park?

 

[OrlandoGuy]

^ Good clean info (as it currently stands). Thanks.

Since when do they expand a relatively crappy yet unfathomably popular attraction? Is it that there are so few young family attractions in this park?

To improve capacity

 

[Parkscope Joe]

^ Good clean info (as it currently stands). Thanks.

Since when do they expand a relatively crappy yet unfathomably popular attraction? Is it that there are so few young family attractions in this park?

Two thoughts. 1.) Guaranteed crowd pleaser. Don't have to worry about AE, M:S, or other flops. 2.) Split the ride into stand by and FP+ tracks.

 

[Teebin]

Ain't it ironic that the company that invented theme park crowd control and capacity prediction totally frigged this one on a piss poor attraction. It is also ironic that it is one of the few times Disney has delved into Universal's forte of screened attractions. Hm. Hm. Hmmmm.

 

[OrlandoGuy]

Ain't it ironic that the company that invented theme park crowd control and capacity prediction totally frigged this one on a piss poor attraction. It is also ironic that it is one of the few times Disney has delved into Universal's forte of screened attractions. Hm. Hm. Hmmmm.

I dont think the screen issue is really ironic in this situation. At California Adventure, Toy Story is largely overshadowed by the other rides, all of which (Soarin excluded) do not use screens. It just so happens that Florida's Toy Story is FP-capable and located in a smaller-capacity park with less non-restrictive family rides. Its popularity is warranted, in my opinion, but its lines are crazy at DHS simply because of its location. I dont think its a sign that people are begging for more Universal-type rides at Disney.

I also dont think its poor crowd control that led to huge wait times for Toy Story. Yes, its Disneys fault the park it's located in is weak, but they couldnt have predicted it would need 3 tracks from the get go considering it was built concurrently with the California version. If anything, I applaud Disney for taking on a project that will not receive an immediate ROI, but will focus solely on improving the guest experience. Thats rare in this industry.

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Ain't it ironic that the company that invented theme park crowd control and capacity prediction totally frigged this one on a piss poor attraction. It is also ironic that it is one of the few times Disney has delved into Universal's forte of screened attractions. Hm. Hm. Hmmmm.

I dont think the screen issue is really ironic in this situation. At California Adventure, Toy Story is largely overshadowed by the other rides, all of which (Soarin excluded) do not use screens. It just so happens that Florida's Toy Story is FP-capable and located in a smaller-capacity park with less non-restrictive family rides. Its popularity is warranted, in my opinion, but its lines are crazy at DHS simply because of its location. I dont think its a sign that people are begging for more Universal-type rides at Disney.

I also dont think its poor crowd control that led to huge wait times for Toy Story. Yes, its Disneys fault the park it's located in is weak, but they couldnt have predicted it would need 3 tracks from the get go considering it was built concurrently with the California version. If anything, I applaud Disney for taking on a project that will not receive an immediate ROI, but will focus solely on improving the guest experience. Thats rare in this industry.

 

[Teebin]

^ Ok.

 

[Nick]

All the puzzle pieces are there, but I also agree plans do change, so until you see construction or an announcement it is hard to make anything 100% sure.

I agree 100% with this. Plans could easily change. Have in the past. There seems to be a lot going for DHS right now in it's favor towards a redo, as I said in my prior post, we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Nick]

^ Good clean info (as it currently stands). Thanks.

Since when do they expand a relatively crappy yet unfathomably popular attraction? Is it that there are so few young family attractions in this park?

The thought process behind it is split up the tracks between stand-by and FP+ and it will also allow for higher capacity once the newer things open. So with any influx of guests coming to the park, the ride will be able to handle it much better than it currently does.

Essentially the capacity is rising from 1200 to 1800 per hour. However, about 1200 of that will be FP+ dedicated. But even 600 stand-by guests per hour is more stand-by than currently get on in an hour.

 

[JungleSkip]

There seems to be a lot going for DHS right now in it's favor towards a redo

Well yea, no one's disagreeing with that.

 

[Nick]

Well yea, no one's disagreeing with that.

I didn't say anyone was disagreeing, nor was I implying. I said we'll have to wait and see what happens.

 

[ynnoj]

Star Wars will have a much larger presence in Disney theme parks around the world now that Disney owns the property, Walt Disney Co. head Bob Iger told a gathering at Variety's Dealmakers Breakfast this week.

And those main attractions, Variety reports Iger said, will be based on new sequels such as Star Wars: The Force Awakens and spinoffs, not the older George Lucas' movies.

It's been two years since Disney bought Lucas. Part of the reason there has been a delay in getting new Star Wars rides at the parks is because Disney's Imagineering team was waiting for director J.J. Abrams to discuss his plans for The Force Awakens, Iger said.

http://www.polygon.com/2014/12/11/7...ons-coming-to-disney-theme-parks-based-on-the

 

[ThemeParks4Life]

Not sure where I'd post this, but Spirit is saying the budget for new additions resort wide have been approved by the BOD. DHS is getting the majority and Epcot will have a portion. AK won't be getting anything under this budget, they'll be set for a bit after Avatar (hopefully not 11 years). MK is the unknown, it's getting at least one addition but how big and how many are the questions.