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^ Looks ugly.
 
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And it looks cheap. It really should've been some other ride system and not a cheap overlay.


My friend texted me this, "And thematically it's weird. "We're escaping! Oh no, we're going back up! We're escaping!"
 
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Jon said:
^ Looks ugly.
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I'm going to have to politely disagree. 


IT LOOKS BLOODY AWFUL!


I'm so bummed to see this ride get turned into something some GROSSLY out of place. We're going to walk down 1930's Hollywood and suddenly this hideous visual intrusion is towering over this. A once iconic ride is now being turned into a massive eyesore. 


Tower of Terror isn't my absolute favorite ride, but it's so sad to see the wonderful period theming thrown out for this. To me, this is like having Frozen take over the Matterhorn or   Mona replacing Pirates of the Caribbean. So pathetic their ruining an iconic ride at the expense of rushing a Marvel attraction into the park ASAP.


What an awful idea this is. If they really want to make a Guardians ride, then MAKE ITS OWN RIDE. You have space. You have money. SO USE IT DISNEY. 


What's even more pathetic is that this will be their excuse to have a huge price increase next year. 
 
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Freak said:
I'm going to have to politely disagree. 


IT LOOKS BLOODY AWFUL!


I'm so bummed to see this ride get turned into something some GROSSLY out of place. We're going to walk down 1930's Hollywood and suddenly this hideous visual intrusion is towering over this. A once iconic ride is now being turned into a massive eyesore.
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The facade sort of reminds me of Transformers - and not in a good way. Buena Vista Street is one of the best theme park entrances I've ever been through, so it's incredibly disappointing to see Disney ruin the connection between the entrance and Hollywood Land. Now I wonder how they're going to explain the Hyperion Theater next door...


I guess they pulled a Universal this time around.
 
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If you want a good laugh, just look at the comments on Youtube: 

https://www.youtube.com/embed/9L9ZAdtNZc0?feature=oembed


Also, notice the like/dislike ratio. It's almost getting as much hate at the new Ghostbusters.  
 
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Wow. This is an awful idea! I just rode the Tower of Terror a few weeks ago, and the ride seemed perfectly adequate for the park to me! Sad to see that as Jon said, they're pulling a Universal.
 
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I disliked the video...you know...Just for fun :P LOL


But seriously. Really Disney??!! You have tons of space and money. You could of made an entirely new attraction! Look at Universal, making fully themed lands while your just making cheap ride overlays. Come on....
 
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GoHawks!!! said:
But seriously. Really Disney??!! You have tons of space and money. You could of made an entirely new attraction! Look at Universal, making fully themed lands while your just making cheap ride overlays. Come on....
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Well, sometimes. Just look at The Walking Dead Attraction.
 
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Well, sometimes. Just look at The Walking Dead Attraction.
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Haha true.  ;)  But TWDA was meant to accompany the WWoHP. Anyways, I still totally understand your point.
 
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This is horribly disappointing. It seems Disney is just not Disney anymore. It started with their animations, then their live action movies, and now their theme parks. They have conformed to pop cultural, trends, and nostalgia. It seems they aren't bothering to create something new and rather use what they already established years ago, or other companies/franchises. I feel like Disneyland is turning into Universal parks (not that their is anything wrong with that). Instead of using what was truly theirs before, they are using the Marvel and Star Wars popularity to draw people in. Walt is probably rolling over in his cryo chamber right now seeing his Disneyland become unrecognizable.


Anyways sorry for the rant. Once it again it breaks my heart they are essentially re-skinning and taking away the amazing history of the ride. It is such a creepy and rememberable theme. I'm just wondering how long before the Guardians of the Galaxy thing becomes dated. I know comic book movies are still going strong, but they will die eventually.         
 
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Inspire2_Ride said:
This is horribly disappointing. It seems Disney is just not Disney anymore. It started with their animations, then their live action movies, and now their theme parks. They have conformed to pop cultural, trends, and nostalgia. It seems they aren't bothering to create something new and rather use what they already established years ago, or other companies/franchises. I feel like Disneyland is turning into Universal parks (not that their is anything wrong with that). Instead of using what was truly theirs before, they are using the Marvel and Star Wars popularity to draw people in. Walt is probably rolling over in his cryo chamber right now seeing his Disneyland become unrecognizable.


Anyways sorry for the rant. Once it again it breaks my heart they are essentially re-skinning and taking away the amazing history of the ride. It is such a creepy and rememberable theme. I'm just wondering how long before the Guardians of the Galaxy thing becomes dated. I know comic book movies are still going strong, but they will die eventually.         
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I think you seem to forget that Marvel, Lucasfilm and Pixar are now owned by Disney.


Disney is using it's newly owned IP's to use them in manner's that would get people in. As much as I hate GOtGMB as of now; it makes sense to capitalize the IP that Disney has used extremely well within Film and Television.


The main issue I have, is that it lessens the theme that DCA tried to convey with 2012. It makes me worried that they will have to make ANOTHER change to the overall theme and message that DCA had to do but that's just my own opinion.


And to me, I prefer the notion that they should of had Star Wars in DCA and had Marvel take the focus in DLPark.


Although, if one thing is for certain; is to point out that MiceAge seems to be in the right step so-far in the Marvel rumors; unfortunately. So in this case, I think it's only wise that we wait until the initial response of Mission Breakout comes to see if they will continue to invest into this "Theme Park Universe" phrasing that Rhode pointed out at the end of the GOTG announcement video.
 
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Alexshow. said:
I think you seem to forget that Marvel, Lucasfilm and Pixar are now owned by Disney.
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I don't think he forgot. Yes, they are owned by Disney, but they aren't traditional Disney franchises.
 
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Jon said:
I don't think he forgot. Yes, they are owned by Disney, but they aren't traditional Disney franchises.
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I agree that they aren't the traditional Francises that Disney has; but in this day in age, you can't rely on one portion when you should be using several.


Something that Universal has done remarkably well, as it can be said; is the partnerships with some of the media industry's best talents to incorporate them into various means. And while they aren't with Disney from the beginning, there was a lot of footing that you can see it align (Like for instance, John Lassiter and that he worked with Disney well before the beginning's of Pixar).


I should of phrased it better, but I think we need to take in mind that nowaday's, the profit margin could be the determining factor to what stay's and what goes in some cases. And for some of Disney Animations new IP's; Lucafilm; Marvel Studios and Pixar even, we've seen success in their partnership to ensure content at at least a good amount of quality.


But, I may be getting more in-depth than I really need to about this. But my thoughts for Mission Breakout are this;


I really hope it's good. I hope I eat crow in that I think it looks awful so-far; but I need something that can convince me that it can work for Disney California Adventure and that it can be vastly better than the current attraction in it's spot.
 
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Jon said:
I don't think he forgot. Yes, they are owned by Disney, but they aren't traditional Disney franchises.
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Thank you Jon, I didn't forget. By the way I'm a female, haha. 


Yes, a simplified version of my overall statement was that it feels like Disney is focusing more on remakes/reimagining as well as outsourcing (in a way, even though it is now disney owned) than making original Disney content. Then again we do get films like Zootopia, Big Hero 6, and....Frozen every few years. But maybe I'm focusing to much on the entirety of Disney and not looking at the parks.      


Still like the majority of comments I heard, they should just build those Marvel Attractions from the ground up somewhere new. If they really wanna pump as much juice out of Marvel as they can, they should dedicate a land to it not repurpose an existing ride. Also Alexshow mentioned theming issues that will start to occur. I always liked the name California Adventure's but it might just change with all these additions. Plus, I heard they are planning to put the Marvel land in DOC. I'm still unsure how that's going to work with Universal owning the theme park rights (if I'm not mistaken).    
 
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As a slight aside, I'm kind of surprised by the overwhelmingly negative reaction on social media to this new addition. It's almost unprecedented how ill-received this has been. 
 
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Fingers crossed for another Toy Story the musical scenario.
 
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Who knows, maybe it will turn out to be great. Regardless, I'm completely disappointed by this, ToT is my favorite ride at DCA! And that's mostly due to it being about the Twilight Zone :/ 
 
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While I am not saying I am for this change (I love Tower of Terror), saying that this ride is the one that breaks the theme of "California Adventure" is simply not true. What do Bugs Land, Little Mermaid, and Cars Land have to do with a California Adventure? And for that matter, what do Monsters Inc and Muppets (well... what used to be Muppets) have to do with a Hollywood Land theme? That section of the park has never really made any sense to me. Those break the theme of the park just as much as this does. "California Adventure" has been a disjointed park for quite some time. Granted, I still love it and I always have a blast when I'm there. But it's definitely not as the name of the park implies and hasn't been since I've been going there. I'm definitely sad to see ToT leave us and I think it would have been better to just build a whole new attraction for Guardians. But, hopefully once they start transitioning the rest of Hollywood Land into Marvel, it won't seem so odd. 


I'm not trying to pick a fight with anyone here, I'm just playing Devil's Advocate. Gotta look at both sides of this. 


Anyways, enjoy the rest of y'all's day! 
 
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I'm just happy we are finally getting randomized drop patterns!
 
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While I am not saying I am for this change (I love Tower of Terror), saying that this ride is the one that breaks the theme of "California Adventure" is simply not true. What do Bugs Land, Little Mermaid, and Cars Land have to do with a California Adventure? And for that matter, what do Monsters Inc and Muppets (well... what used to be Muppets) have to do with a Hollywood Land theme? That section of the park has never really made any sense to me. Those break the theme of the park just as much as this does. "California Adventure" has been a disjointed park for quite some time. Granted, I still love it and I always have a blast when I'm there. But it's definitely not as the name of the park implies and hasn't been since I've been going there. I'm definitely sad to see ToT leave us and I think it would have been better to just build a whole new attraction for Guardians. But, hopefully once they start transitioning the rest of Hollywood Land into Marvel, it won't seem so odd. 
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Good jumping off point, because this is really a more nuanced situation than it really seems. I've been back and forth on Twitter all night with some of the most ardent defenders who are absolutely running in circles trying to make sense of all the differing arguments. And yeah: it's not as black-and-white as it seems. So as follows:


1) I think the Tower of Terror is better at Walt Disney World
2) I still like the DCA version of Tower of Terror
3) I really liked Guardians of the Galaxy
4) I am not against a GotG attraction or Marvel Land in DCA
5) I am totally 100% against this idea

So let me sort it out from there jumping on the very idea that DCA, thematically is a hot mess. That is definitely true, however DCA 2.0, or as I'll refer to it "DCA 2012" tried smoothing the ties as much as possible. If we lump in the delayed Grizzly Peak Airfield from last year into the mix, we can say that there was a good chunk of it that was "fixed". I'll disagree that Mermaid does not fit as it ties into the Paradise Pier/dark ride theme, but Bugs Land is definitely a weak spot. Cars Land is closer to Arizona than California, but the Route 66 aspect at least ties it in much better. And of course Buena Vista Street explains itself. The sorest spot was, for sure, the area behind Hollywood Land with MuppetVision and Monsters Inc languishing in that bizarre purgatory area. However the addition of the Red Car Trolley itself more than improved the thematic transition between BVS, Hollywood and ToT. IMO, this was one of the most pleasant surprises of 2012 DCA which improved on the area around there which was a little blander than it should be. Now there was more of a kinetic energy to the spot.


So when Marvel was rumored I was instantly onboard because I figured that this was finally, at long last, the solution to that purgatory area... the one unsolved element of DCA 2012. We all knew that Disney wanted Guardians of the Galaxy and Captain America to have rides, and man the things you could do. With the news that the bus depot was on the chopping block, that meant more room for bigger showbuildings, and better experiences. Could you imagine an E-Ticket trackless ride in the Collector's realm? Or a GotG coaster with Awesome Mix Vol 1? It would be a couple new great additions and finally fix one of the most problematic spots in the park!


...but no. Instead of fixing an existing problem, they are instead taking away the cohesion that they made work. Instead they are doing a cheap overlay to get a franchise in as fast as possible because god forbid they could've been working on them in those empty showbuildings for the last couple years. And I don't want to hear a lick about capital expenditures and multiple projects: clearly Universal is able to do it! But the third highest attended theme park resort in the world can't do it? It has to take away a still-popular attraction for it? It has to ruin a great fix that WDI did just a half-decade back... for what? 


From my perspective, even the public is wretching at this half-baked idea. It's a confusing, bewildering idea to the point that Joe Rhode even has a hard time describing what the heck this is supposed to be. This isn't "see what works", this is being forced. And everyone can see it, it's just a matter of whether or not you like it. But make no mistake, Bob Chapek wants his IPs now and fast. This is the kinda crap that eventually led to Eisner's ousting. If you rush a project, people are going to know. That's why DCA 2001 was such a failure and DCA 2012 was such a success. Yet a half-decade later instead of fixing the problems already there, we're fixing something which wasn't broke to begin with? Even if the ride wasn't popular, this version is bringing the randomized drop profiles! Y'know, the ones Tower was SUPPOSED to get for years?!


I'm sorry, I'm just not onboard with that idea at all. And to fully answer your post @HereWeGo, I have to ask one back: how does a Red Car Trolley fit in Marvel Land? Or next to um... whatever this is supposed to be? I don't know, but the idea that makes my stomach plummet is that it doesn't... so it's gotta go.  :(


Also in respect to @Jonathan's post about Toy Story: The Musical, I also wonder if they're in far too deep. On one hand, Disney delayed ToT's closing until next January, however they also have already shot footage with several A-List and B-List actors including Chris Pratt, Zoe Saldana, Benincio Del Toro and Vin Diesel's and Bradley Cooper's voices figure promimently in this as well. That, combined with the props and sets already being built for the plug-and-play installation can't be that cheap. The question is if it's at least enough to where Disney can stop for a second and look at the vitrol all across the board.... and I don't just mean fans. I don't remember the last time I saw the actual public pretty upset about this, along with actual booing in the Marvel panel itself at Comic Con. I would say I wouldn't count on it, but it's not impossible to happen.


Also @Jon  is right, the building in the concept art looks ugly as sin. And supposedly they're doing this in six months time.
 
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