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Effects of Coronavirus (COVID-19) On Entertainment & Tourism Industry

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Trying to get more details, but my nephew visited Universal today. He reported that he observed some of the worst mask compliance he had seen at UOR or Disney since reopening. He called it “at best it was like Disney Springs on a weekend night.”
 
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Yikes, I’m still on the fence about going for HHN. Personally think it’s going to get canceled but you never know
 
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The SEC Commissioner is basically telling people to get their act together or there's gonna be no NCAA Football season. And his colleges are in the southern states.


 
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KFC, Nando's and Pret lower prices after VAT cut

Starbucks and McDonald's also say they will cut prices after the chancellor's VAT reduction.
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The Rose Parade will be cancelled this New Years!
 
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Im officially at the point where I'm upset they haven't cancelled the event, honestly. I love Horror Nights but not enough to risk my actual life going.
 
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Interesting report just now on CNBC. Something we've talked about often. A report from the companies that track credit card purchases, said that there's a direct co-relation whereby the states that are having the largest increase in restaurant/bar food and alcohol purchases, are the states with the largest surge in coronavirus cases. Seems like stricter regulation of that segment would help alleviate the covid problem.
 
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Interesting report just now on CNBC. Something we've talked about often. A report from the companies that track credit card purchases, said that there's a direct co-relation whereby the states that are having the largest increase in restaurant/bar food and alcohol purchases, are the states with the largest surge in coronavirus cases. Seems like stricter regulation of that segment would help alleviate the covid problem.
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Freeze their cards? ;) :grin:
 
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Im officially at the point where I'm upset they haven't cancelled the event, honestly. I love Horror Nights but not enough to risk my actual life going.
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This literally adds nothing to the discussion and seems to be almost a daily post at this point, can we stop with the daily comment of it should be cancelled?

Side note if people are willing to go and willing to work the event what is the big problem? :shrug: They have shown that they are doing a tremendous job of making it as safe as possible. Seems like people want the event to be cancelled so they don't miss out on it which is silly.
 
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Magic Feather said:
Trying to get more details, but my nephew visited Universal today. He reported that he observed some of the worst mask compliance he had seen at UOR or Disney since reopening. He called it “at best it was like Disney Springs on a weekend night.”
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It is too bad...data wise the west coast parks never opened.

Would love to see if there were any different numbers or people complaining about masks in theme parks
 
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This literally adds nothing to the discussion and seems to be almost a daily post at this point, can we stop with the daily comment of it should be cancelled?

Side note if people are willing to go and willing to work the event what is the big problem? :shrug: They have shown that they are doing a tremendous job of making it as safe as possible. Seems like people want the event to be cancelled so they don't miss out on it which is silly.
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There is so much wrong here.

There are two realistic scenarios for Florida over the next several weeks. Either cases and negative outcomes keep skyrocketing, drawing increasing national and international attention to Florida as the world's pandemic hotspot, or the state shuts down and, in about four or five weeks, the numbers begin to improve. That's it. Barring a miracle that contradicts what we have now seen in dozens of countries, dozens of cities around the world, there isn't a third option. Now, in which of those scenarios does HHN happen?

And honestly, if you don't understand the problem with the "people can make their own choices" line that keeps popping up, you're not paying attention. This... is... a... highly... contagious... and... deadly... virus. Like getting drunk and speeding on the highway or leaving your lights on during the British Blitz, your decisions risk the lives of other, more responsible people. It is a certainty that people who went to Universal have already infected others who didn't. This will happen again... and again... and again. The Orlando vacation destinations will help spread the virus around the country. Quite frankly, it is shocking that so many people don't grasp this.

Universal and Disney have made efforts to make the parks safer. Great. They are still tremendously risky places to visit and shouldn't be open. And we have copious, trustworthy (albeit anecdotal) evidence that TMs, who are the best situated to evaluate Universal's safety measures, do not feel safe at all.

And at the pettiest level, it is absolutely not silly for responsible people to be annoyed that they will miss a once in a lifetime event because a bunch of other folks have decided to be irresponsible. Right now, irresponsible people are prolonging this terrible situation and preventing a return to a country in which less selfish people can go to a movie, drink at a bar, go to school in-person, or visit Universal.
 
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There is so much wrong here.

There are two realistic scenarios for Florida over the next several weeks. Either cases and negative outcomes keep skyrocketing, drawing increasing national and international attention to Florida as the world's pandemic hotspot, or the state shuts down and, in about four or five weeks, the numbers begin to improve. That's it. Barring a miracle that contradicts what we have now seen in dozens of countries, dozens of cities around the world, there isn't a third option. Now, in which of those scenarios does HHN happen?

And honestly, if you don't understand the problem with the "people can make their own choices" line that keeps popping up, you're not paying attention. This... is... a... highly... contagious... and... deadly... virus. Like getting drunk and speeding on the highway or leaving your lights on during the British Blitz, your decisions risk the lives of other, more responsible people. It is a certainty that people who went to Universal have already infected others who didn't. This will happen again... and again... and again. The Orlando vacation destinations will help spread the virus around the country. Quite frankly, it is shocking that so many people don't grasp this.

Universal and Disney have made efforts to make the parks safer. Great. They are still tremendously risky places to visit and shouldn't be open. And we have copious, trustworthy (albeit anecdotal) evidence that TMs, who are the best situated to evaluate Universal's safety measures, do not feel safe at all.

And at the pettiest level, it is absolutely not silly for responsible people to be annoyed that they will miss a once in a lifetime event because a bunch of other folks have decided to be irresponsible. Right now, irresponsible people are prolonging this terrible situation and preventing a return to a country in which less selfish people can go to a movie, drink at a bar, go to school in-person, or visit Universal.
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There is so much wrong here.

It is pretty obvious that going to the parks is one of the safest things you can do. It has large outside areas, masks required, all things that are known to prevent the spread. It is safer than going to the store, eating out, any office job, and many other activities. Having these options open provide a much needed boost to peoples mental health which cannot be understated. There is also the responsibility of people to know who they are hanging out with and what they have been doing. We know the main culprit of the spread is indoor areas with people close together and no masks (bars/nightclubs).

A large number of HHN workers specifically sign up to work that event so if they do they must feel comfortable enough to work.

It is not a once in a lifetime event, it literally happens every year. I figured it being HHN 30 would have given that away. Every year people can't make it to the event because of some reason and those people move on and have a solid life so missing out on the event for one year (will happen either way for those people) is not a big deal. The last part is the biggest falsehood and probably the most harmful. Being "responsible" will not end this sooner. Yes it will lower infection rate, but it will not make it go away. So many places that have "done a good job" following the rules have had to shut things back down after opening back up. It will by you time but the virus will still make its way around until there is a cure.
 
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DeadSexeh said:
There is so much wrong here.

It is pretty obvious that going to the parks is one of the safest things you can do. It has large outside areas, masks required, all things that are known to prevent the spread. It is safer than going to the store, eating out, any office job, and many other activities. Having these options open provide a much needed boost to peoples mental health which cannot be understated. There is also the responsibility of people to know who they are hanging out with and what they have been doing. We know the main culprit of the spread is indoor areas with people close together and no masks (bars/nightclubs).

A large number of HHN workers specifically sign up to work that event so if they do they must feel comfortable enough to work.

It is not a once in a lifetime event, it literally happens every year. I figured it being HHN 30 would have given that away. Every year people can't make it to the event because of some reason and those people move on and have a solid life so missing out on the event for one year (will happen either way for those people) is not a big deal. The last part is the biggest falsehood and probably the most harmful. Being "responsible" will not end this sooner. Yes it will lower infection rate, but it will not make it go away. So many places that have "done a good job" following the rules have had to shut things back down after opening back up. It will by you time but the virus will still make its way around until there is a cure.
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One of the safest ≠ safe or essential. You are comparing riding roller coasters to essential activities that cannot be avoided like getting groceries. You can keep ignoring the posts on here, but TMs have been getting sick regardless of how "safe" it may be. There's also a difference between opening the parks to try to get people working again & revenue turning and running an annual event that could be skipped due to the specific dangers it presents, as other parks have done.

Obviously they meant that every year's event is different and you can never experience that year's houses/zones/etc ever again, but I guess snark was what you were aiming for. It may not end it, but it surely will save a lot of lives. We're the epicenter of the disease in pretty much the entire world. Now is not the time for careless fun, unfortunately, especially when we're likely only months from a vaccine.
 
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DeadSexeh said:
There is so much wrong here.

It is pretty obvious that going to the parks is one of the safest things you can do. It has large outside areas, masks required, all things that are known to prevent the spread. It is safer than going to the store, eating out, any office job, and many other activities. Having these options open provide a much needed boost to peoples mental health which cannot be understated. There is also the responsibility of people to know who they are hanging out with and what they have been doing. We know the main culprit of the spread is indoor areas with people close together and no masks (bars/nightclubs).

A large number of HHN workers specifically sign up to work that event so if they do they must feel comfortable enough to work.

It is not a once in a lifetime event, it literally happens every year. I figured it being HHN 30 would have given that away. Every year people can't make it to the event because of some reason and those people move on and have a solid life so missing out on the event for one year (will happen either way for those people) is not a big deal. The last part is the biggest falsehood and probably the most harmful. Being "responsible" will not end this sooner. Yes it will lower infection rate, but it will not make it go away. So many places that have "done a good job" following the rules have had to shut things back down after opening back up. It will by you time but the virus will still make its way around until there is a cure.
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Going to the parks is NOT one of the safest things you can do. The briefest of consideration reveals how absurd this take is. If you go to the park for one hour, keep your distance from all other humans, don't go into any restaurants, stores, or rides, and then leave, its fairly safe. Noone does this. You go to the park for hours - do you go to the store or eat out for hours? There are thousands of people with you at the park - are there thousands at the store or restaurant? Every interaction is a possible vector, and the number of interactions you have at Universal vastly outnumbers those at the store or restaurant. Oh, and there are examples in this thread of the fact that compliance with mask and social distancing guidelines is not particularly good. And remember, folks can have their masks off to eat or drink as they walk around. We know people have gotten sick at Universal. The Orange County health department has confirmed this even as they spun desperately to downplay it - plus we have reliable TM reports. So... no Universal and WDW are not remotely safe.

Its also really, really funny that you rightfully point out the dangers of indoor areas with large numbers of people. Because Mummy, Gringotts, Bourne, ET, Fallon, Cat in the Hat, Shrek, Despicable Me, F&F, MiB, Spidey, Poseiden - none of those are integral to a trip to Universal. And surely, SURELY, when the lights are off and people are preoccupied with enjoying themselves and the rule is literally unenforcable, every single mask in those havens of recirculated air stays on at all times.

HHN events are unique. They are not repeated. And their is an ENORMOUS difference between missing the event because you can't get off work and missing it because you are behaving responsibly during an uncontrolled international pandemic that has cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of people. One is an event unique to the life of the individual, one is a massive shared catastrophe that some people are too scared and/or selfish to acknowledge.

And to address the biggest piece of nonsense in your response - with responsible behavior this virus CAN be controlled to the point that recreational activities can be resumed with relative safety. Look at a few minor examples like most of mainland Europe, Taiwan, New Zealand, South Korea, etc., etc. Pretending those examples, involving millions and millions of people, don't exist is deeply dishonest. Being responsible can end the raging epidemic we are seeing right now in America. Had we been responsible months ago, talking about holding HHN would be a reasonable conversation. But we weren't, largely because people peddled self-interested, bad faith lies like "being 'responsible' will not end this sooner," which is really just a way of saying, "I wanna do things like normal and I'm pretty sure I, personally, won't suffer too much, so who cares about the pandemic."

You know what will will help mental health? Not having thousands upon thousands getting sick and suffering every day and being able to return to normal activities without risking your life and the lives of those around you.
 
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Yea, a big movie is going to get released on VOD.

 
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Guys... guess what? HHN is happening until it isn't. The end. Complaining about it, fighting about if it should happen (on both sides), and doing whatever else will have NO impact regarding if the event goes on or not. The only thing that is going to stop it from happening is if the theme parks shut down. THAT'S IT! So can we please, PLEASE stop saying the exact same things over and over again? Thank you.

Can't wait for the negative responses that are gonna flood my inbox...

But also you guys are literally this emoji: :fight:
 
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Guys... guess what? HHN is happening until it isn't. The end. Complaining about it, fighting about if it should happen (on both sides), and doing whatever else will have NO impact regarding if the event goes on or not. The only thing that is going to stop it from happening is if the theme parks shut down. THAT'S IT! So can we please, PLEASE stop saying the exact same things over and over again? Thank you.

Can't wait for the negative responses that are gonna flood my inbox...

But also you guys are literally this emoji: :fight:
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Should I post the same response I had last time you said this exact same thing?

This is literally the thread to discuss the effects of COVID on the parks. This is where the topic is relevant. If you strictly want to talk about HHN30, go to the relevant thread.
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No one is oblivious to the fact that it is currently moving forward. We're discussing the ramifications of it all which is what this thread is for. The post that rekindled the conversation even acknowledges that the event is happening, as seen below.

Im officially at the point where I'm upset they haven't cancelled the event, honestly.
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As things keep getting announced the discussion is only going to grow. They just announced that scareactor dining is happening (which is wildly irresponsible). More announcements are going to spur more discussion. If you want to discuss the event, the HHN thread is for you. If you want to discuss the impact of COVID, that's what this thread is for.
 
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Yea, a big movie is going to get released on VOD.

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Well, if that’s the situation then it’s obvious. But I think less will then you might otherwise think. The ones that stand to make a lot in theaters will still get held back.

Although, I can see Black Widow being released on PVOD simply because Disney doesn’t want to delay the MCU any further and Black Widow wasn’t all that anticipated.
 
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Washington Post: "The State run China Film Administration said Thursday that almost all movie theaters could open on Monday after a 6 month closure.
 
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It should also be noted that a lot of the new cases in the northeast - that are forcing the northeast to shut down AGAIN - are confirmed to be coming from young adults who traveled to Florida and Myrtle Beach. Seems kinda relevant to HHN.

TBad notes that the conversation will intensify as HHN makes new announcements. It will also intensify as everything else gets closed or cancelled - the GOP convention in Jacksonville just announced it is sharply limiting plans, Texas (with numbers comparable to Florida) is moving towards lockdown, the northeast is locking down, the SEC will probably cancel the football season in the next few weeks...

And any conversation about HHN needs to note that it will be opening right about the time flu season kicks off, which, combined with covid, could be terrifying.

At this point, every single exec at Universal and WDW should be focused on an exit strategy, a way to close before the PR impact grows unmanageable.
 
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