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Epic Universe Ticketing Info, Advice, & Speculation

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I just don't understand the thought process behind not opening up the ticket floodgates. Why are they worried about cannibalizing the other parks so much? People will go to IOA no matter what because of Potter and Marvel, USF has two major events coming up in HHN and Christmas, and a decent chunk of people purchase park to park tickets anyways. Like does a slight temporary decrease in USF/IOA attendance even matter when you're getting the money from Epic anyways]?
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I understand the thought process because if Epic only tickets were available I think there would be a lot of people who wouldn't even step foot in the other parks LOL. The "only 1 day at Epic" tickets they keep pushing is what I'm not onboard with
 
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It's not dire, not for you, not even really for me as a TA, but it SHOULD BE dire for UOR...

...It's not dire, but it is dumb...
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Which is it? Like we're all anxious and not knowing kinda sucks but it seems you're just game for this to be a mistake.
 
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I just don't understand the thought process behind not opening up the ticket floodgates. Why are they worried about cannibalizing the other parks so much? People will go to IOA no matter what because of Potter and Marvel, USF has two major events coming up in HHN and Christmas, and a decent chunk of people purchase park to park tickets anyways. Like does a slight temporary decrease in USF/IOA attendance even matter when you're getting the money from Epic anyways]?
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Cannibalization of the current existing parks is a real issue that Disney saw from DAK's opening. So there is reason to worry, but I'm not a fan of how this is playing out entirely. For one, I'm not a fan of the strategy they've utilized against current APs (essentially double-dipping by making them pay up for a 1-day ticket, and then again at a later time when they upgrade/increase prices to include Epic).

I also think limiting potential vacations to just the 3-day ticket is an absurd practice.

If they had actually built up great experiences in USF over sloppy additions to maximize on synergy, they wouldn't be in this predicament.

We're also, let's assume, 2 months from theoretical AP previews, and there's a lot of APs who need to know when to travel.

I say this as someone who wants Epic to be a success, I don't want Universal to follow Disney's SWGE failure.
 
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So here is my quick list of why
AvoidTIMtation said:
I understand the thought process because if Epic only tickets were available I think there would be a lot of people who wouldn't even step foot in the other parks LOL. The "only 1 day at Epic" tickets they keep pushing is what I'm not onboard with
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Yes! I don't understand why they didn't offer options such as 1) 4 days with 2 days at Epic or 2) 6 days with 3 days at Epic.
 
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AvoidTIMtation said:
I understand the thought process because if Epic only tickets were available I think there would be a lot of people who wouldn't even step foot in the other parks LOL. The "only 1 day at Epic" tickets they keep pushing is what I'm not onboard with
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That's not really true though? IOA is vastly better than USF but people still visit both. IOA still has the most iconic Potter landmark in Hogwarts Castle, the most popular superhero in Spider-Man, and Universals most popular IP with Jurassic Park. USF has the second most iconic Potter location, one of most popular kids franchises in the Minions, and a hugely popular Halloween event. Plus the hotels and CityWalk are right next to them. Yes, Epic will be great, but it's not going to destroy the other parks attendance.
 
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Magic-Man said:
I just don't understand the thought process behind not opening up the ticket floodgates. Why are they worried about cannibalizing the other parks so much? People will go to IOA no matter what because of Potter and Marvel, USF has two major events coming up in HHN and Christmas, and a decent chunk of people purchase park to park tickets anyways. Like does a slight temporary decrease in USF/IOA attendance even matter when you're getting the money from Epic anyways]?
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I agree, I don't understand why they're not simply offering the tickets that visitors want that also keeps then at UOR and makes them money. They seem hell-bent of selling 3-day tickets instead of 4 or 5 days. It's a gift to WDW.

Starting at the Super Bowl they should have offered a 5-day ticket with 2 days at Epic and 3 days between USF, IOA, VB. I believe that is the "golden ticket" that out-of-state visitors would go for that also maximizes Universal's revenues and distributes crowds as evenly as possible given they have a brand new park and two older parks.

And, they should have allowed any guests who have already purchased 3- or 4-day tickets to upgrade to this 5-day pass.
 
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Magic-Man said:
That's not really true though? IOA is vastly better than USF but people still visit both. IOA still has the most iconic Potter landmark in Hogwarts Castle, the most popular superhero in Spider-Man, and Universals most popular IP with Jurassic Park. USF has the second most iconic Potter location, one of most popular kids franchises in the Minions, and a hugely popular Halloween event. Plus the hotels and CityWalk are right next to them. Yes, Epic will be great, but it's not going to destroy the other parks attendance.
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Disney learned the hard way with DAK taking attendance away...
  • MK dropped 8%
  • Epcot & MGM dropped 10% each
Not saying the same will happen with Epic, but it's a concern for UOR.

Tampa Bay Times article from DAK's opening in 1998:
www.tampabay.com

Theme parks' visitors slide

Disney's Animal Kingdom stole visitors not only from Walt Disney World's three other theme parks during its inaugural year, it took visitors from theme parks all over the country.
www.tampabay.com www.tampabay.com
 

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I don't know about "no matter what." I'm a huge west coast theme park nerd that's been following Epic practically hourly, and I was ready to take my family of four to Universal Orlando for the first time. (My family is the business case-study of what building Epic was all about...acquiring new-to-Universal families for long UOR visits/hotel stays) But as I said in an earlier post, we gave up and made other plans.

This ticketing situation went from excusable (Nov.), to inconvenient (Dec.), to a bit frustrating (Jan.), to un-empathetic and manipulative (Feb.), to...they just must not want us to come (if this goes into March).
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Apologies for lack of context, as i was speaking for myself and other people who have stated that they have UOR HOTELS holding with or without this current ticket package when i said "we, as nerds who are committed to going, who post in the forum about how committed we are to going..."

You might be a nerd, Starlander, but you made a tough call when you took yourself out of that "committed" category! Your response about being a family that wanted to come but now isn't is actually what made me want to post the most! You're not the only one, and i'm seeing a lot of it pretty much subject to UOR's missed opportunity.

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Which is it? Like we're all anxious and not knowing kinda sucks but it seems you're just game for this to be a mistake.
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Great question, Joe, and -again- i apologize for lack of context.

Summarily, I really just meant that first response for Brian. As someone who writes for Universal and manages these forums, he's not going to find it dire because he's accessory to whatever tactics Universal employs. He's going to go regardless and managing the forums = managing expectations more or less. This isn't going to be dire for him and he's not going to lose sleep over it.

I don't personally think it's dire because my business doesn't only sell Universal or Disney, but full-scale Domestic and International packages. Hell, i make the most of my money off of personally managing Destination Wedding Groups. This isn't dire to me on the business spectrum because it's not my meat, but moreso my delicious potatoes that i take advantage of every year.

And i reinforce, that this SHOULD be dire for Universal BECAUSE it IS dumb and because it IS their business. My survival isn't based on whether this park opens successfully or not, but theirs is.
 
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UniversalRBLX said:
Disney learned the hard way with DAK taking attendance away...
  • MK dropped 8%
  • Epcot & MGM dropped 10% each
Not saying the same will happen with Epic, but it's a concern for UOR.

Tampa Bay Times article from DAK's opening in 1998:
www.tampabay.com

Theme parks' visitors slide

Disney's Animal Kingdom stole visitors not only from Walt Disney World's three other theme parks during its inaugural year, it took visitors from theme parks all over the country.
www.tampabay.com www.tampabay.com
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I still think it's funny that opening day DAK of all things, without Kali River Rapids or Everest or Pandora or Dinorama, took significant attendance away from 90s era Magic Kingdom. What the hell did people even do with most of their day? Sun bathe?
 
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I still think it's funny that opening day DAK of all things, without Kali River Rapids or Everest or Pandora or Dinorama, took significant attendance away from 90s era Magic Kingdom. What the hell did people even do with most of their day? Sun bathe?
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Disney has great marketing, so in a significant pre-internet trip planning era they were able to take advantage of getting people over to DAK. There were no YouTube vlogs about the experience, so people couldn't really see what the park was (or lacked).
 
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PerceptiveCoot said:
I still think it's funny that opening day DAK of all things, without Kali River Rapids or Everest or Pandora or Dinorama, took significant attendance away from 90s era Magic Kingdom. What the hell did people even do with most of their day? Sun bathe?
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Complain about not just buying Magic Kingdom tickets, I guess.
 
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PerceptiveCoot said:
I still think it's funny that opening day DAK of all things, without Kali River Rapids or Everest or Pandora or Dinorama, took significant attendance away from 90s era Magic Kingdom. What the hell did people even do with most of their day? Sun bathe?
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As a DAK 1998 visitor (who wants to touch me?), we watched shows. Jungle Book, Lion King, Flights of Wonder, the Pocahontas show... and it was STILL a half day tops.
 
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Great question, Joe, and -again- i apologize for lack of context.

Summarily, I really just meant that first response for Brian. As someone who writes for Universal and manages these forums, he's not going to find it dire because he's accessory to whatever tactics Universal employs. He's going to go regardless and managing the forums = managing expectations more or less. This isn't going to be dire for him and he's not going to lose sleep over it.

I don't personally think it's dire because my business doesn't only sell Universal or Disney, but full-scale Domestic and International packages. Hell, i make the most of my money off of personally managing Destination Wedding Groups. This isn't dire to me on the business spectrum because it's not my meat, but moreso my delicious potatoes that i take advantage of every year.

And i reinforce, that this SHOULD be dire for Universal BECAUSE it IS dumb and because it IS their business. My survival isn't based on whether this park opens successfully or not, but theirs is.
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kk, so dumb leads to dire.
 
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As a DAK 1998 visitor (who wants to touch me?), we watched shows. Jungle Book, Lion King, Flights of Wonder, the Pocahontas show... and it was STILL a half day tops.
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"And they gave him a name that meant half-formed....Quasimodo!"
 
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Now we know why Iger/Disney were so confident: they knew UO always sabotages itself.
 
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Multi-Day tickets go on sale: November 15, 2016
Pricing, single day tickets, & annual passes announced: March 30, 2017
Opening Date: May 25, 2017
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I think Uni waiting this long is goofy behavior, but until we hit the VBay under two-month on-sale point, I'm unsurprised and unphased tbh. It's their (questionable) playbook. Absolutely feel bad for those of you who have to travel though.
 
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AvoidTIMtation said:
I understand the thought process because if Epic only tickets were available I think there would be a lot of people who wouldn't even step foot in the other parks LOL. The "only 1 day at Epic" tickets they keep pushing is what I'm not onboard with
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Absolutely. I have no problem with not having Epic-only tickets right now.

But "only 1 day" is the problem.

If you buy a 5 day ticket, you should at least get 2 Epic days.
 
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Hot take but I don't think the way they're handling tickets is that big of an issue.

Two possible openings:

Sell mad tickets early, park is heaving. Rides have issues, 7-hour queues, guests leave frustrated. Bad PR. "Epic Universe is a nightmare." Momentum dies fast.

Staggered sales, controlled crowds. Some rides have issues (they always do), but lines are manageable. Guests actually experience the park, not just the queue. People rave. "Epic Universe is amazing, and it's quiet?" Momentum snowballs

We've seen multiple fumbled launches from universal and Disney I'd say universal wants to control a narrative that is often uncontrollable.
 
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If you buy a 5 day ticket, you should at least get 2 Epic days.
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I think that should be the case if you buy a 4-day ticket.
 
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I think Uni waiting this long is goofy behavior, but until we hit the VBay under two-month on-sale point, I'm unsurprised and unphased tbh. It's their (questionable) playbook. Absolutely feel bad for those of you who have to travel though.
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You’re totally right, but I think it still feels weird and like it should be different. No offense to my Volcano Bay fanatics and maniacs, but no one in 2017 or now really plans a “Volcano Bay” vacation.

Then again, Universal themselves call it their third theme park, so whaddya know.
 
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