General Movies & TV Thread

[Tbad556]

This thread and entire situation are so goddamn funny. The Oscars have done enough with predators and pieces of garbage being honored that acting like it's disgraced now over a slap is hilarious. The Academy has been garbage. Watching this many celebrities with terrible pasts trying to act holier than thou over this is hilarious. Comics continuing to act like they're under attack and in danger is pathetically humorous. It's all funny. I just can't imagine caring this hard for this many days in a row over this.

I highly encourage everyone to at least read Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's article. His article is pretty much where I stand. He was selfish and worst of everything, now, no one remembers anything from these Oscars except "The Slap".

The same Kareem that sucker-punched someone so hard he broke his own hand lmao? Also, that article is a terrible take in general. It's not the job of minorities to make sure they never play into racist stereotypes that bigots created in the first place ffs.

 

[jseal777]

Again. I’m military. Out whole thing is justified violence. Sometimes violence is the answer.

Usually when the question is "what is the wrong way to handle this situation?"

 

[Nick]

It took me until this morning to realize I didn’t actually know who won best picture because this is so huge.

Which is part of my problem with what Will did. As I said, it was selfish in putting all of the spotlight on himself. CODA winning Best Picture was a barrier-breaking award in many ways yet hardly anyone saw that it won because they ran to twitter.

 

[Nick]

Comics continuing to act like they're under attack and in danger is pathetically humorous.

Comics have good reason to be at least a little worried. Now that Will Smith did it, someone is gonna try to do it somewhere as a prank or a drunken dare. However they will be arrested instead of allowed to go back to their seat.

As @Legacy has said, this is a very nuanced topic and we are throwing things around as if because someone did something sometime in their past, it means that the general argument they are giving is mute or that somehow it's equal to what Will Smith did.

I have also given my stance on Roman Palanski compared to this and you probably won't like it, @Allison. I personally think that the only thing worse than this in as far as controversies go in Oscars history is not letting Hattie McDaniel sit with her cast. I have a firm stance that i'm not going to budge from that you don't slap someone unless the person is asking for it. Sure Chris Rock did the GI Jane joke, but that was EXTREMELY mild when it comes to comedy.

The Oscars for as long as I have been watching them have always had hosts or presenters who sort of do a mini roast of some people in attendance. This is the first time (again as long as i've been alive and watching) that someone has gotten up and slapped the host or presenter over anything, never mind a light joke that Jada could've seen as badass. GI Jane was a badass fighter. I know she's sensitive over her alopecia, but yeah, she 100% could play GI Jane and she'd absolutely kill it.

 

[Legacy]

Usually when the question is "what is the wrong way to handle this situation?"

Your sunshiny world must be nice.

 

[Tbad556]

As Legacy has said, this is a very nuanced topic and we are throwing things around as if because someone did something sometime in their past, it means that the general argument they are giving is mute or that somehow it's equal to what Will Smith did.

I mean, regardless of Kareem's previous actions, his argument is still abysmal for the aforementioned reasons.

 

[Nick]

Your sunshiny world must be nice.

With all due respect to your military service, "justified violence" is not always the right right way, even in combat. It's kinda why the US or any of NATO hasn't sent any troops into Ukraine.

 

[Allison]

I have also given my stance on Roman Palanski compared to this and you probably won't like it, @Allison. I personally think that the only thing worse than this in as far as controversies go in Oscars history is not letting Hattie McDaniel sit with her cast. I have a firm stance that i'm not going to budge from that you don't slap someone unless the person is asking for it. Sure Chris Rock did the GI Jane joke, but that was EXTREMELY mild when it comes to comedy.

Roman Polanski pled guilty to drugging & raping a child then fleeing the country to avoid jail time so, to see him then awarded and applauded by his colleagues after the fact is (to me) a hell of a lot worse than a slap that someone was asking for for years (he even comments digs on Will Smith’s ex-wife’s Instagram account, fwiw)—but—if it somehow makes sense to you that a slap in the face is worse than the Polanski’s and Weinstein’s of the AMPAS then…we are definitely gonna have to agree to disagree on that.

 

[Nick]

Roman Polanski pled guilty to drugging & raping a child then fleeing the country to avoid jail time so, to see him then awarded and applauded by his colleagues after the fact is (to me) a hell of a lot worse than a slap that someone was asking for for years (he even comments digs on Will Smith’s ex-wife’s Instagram account, fwiw)—but—if it somehow makes sense to you that a slap in the face is worse than the Polanski’s and Weinstein’s of the AMPAS then…we are definitely gonna have to agree to disagree on that.

What Polanski did was terrible, but he won that award pre-twitter and pre-#OscarsSoWhite, so The Academy has had it's issues. My point being Weinstein is out and will never get back in. Polanski was out and GOT BACK IN which is what makes it worse and just a bad look on The Academy's side. The BBC also named The Pianist one of the Top 100 films of the 21st century in 2016.

While it's a terrible look on The Academy's side, Best Director is for who directed a film the best, not who is the best person. That's why he still has his Oscar just like Will ain't getting his taken, which I think is appropriate (I had said originally he should have it stripped, but that was an over reaction) because he earned the award for his work on King Richard, just like Polanski earn for The Pianist. Again, these awards aren't about being great people, it's about your work. If it were about being a person who's had no public controversy, they'd have to go take back a lot of Oscars.

 

[Cup_Of_Coffee]

Which is part of my problem with what Will did. As I said, it was selfish in putting all of the spotlight on himself. CODA winning Best Picture was a barrier-breaking award in many ways yet hardly anyone saw that it won because they ran to twitter.

Agreed, it absolutely deserves more praise! I’m with you.

 

[Legacy]

With all due respect to your military service, "justified violence" is not always the right right way, even in combat. It's kinda why the US or any of NATO hasn't sent any troops into Ukraine.

That’s a very different situation. Violence on a macro has different levers than the micro scale because of the difference in risks for collateral damage. War is not slapping a guy.

I’ll frame it this way—words can be just as emotionally traumatic and threatening as physical violence. Words create riots. Words create extremists. And there are individuals who know that, take advantage of that, and thrive causing that damage because “they’re just words.” They take advantage of that because it’s profitable. Because they like the control. Because they’re immature. And because they believe there are no repercussions to it.

Now, there’s the belief that the best way to engage people like that is to ignore them. De-platform them. Or, if inclined, to debate them. And while that is a non-violent solution, it doesn’t actually solve anything. It doesn’t actually stop their dangerous message from getting out there which doesn’t stop someone else from hearing it and taking it to heart.

In those situations, when all of avenues have or are likely to fail, the best solution is making the speaker second-guess if what they’re going to say is worth saying. Violence, for all of its risks and flaws, does exactly that. Obviously, it shouldn’t be used in every situation. But I believe it is completely justified in some.

Basically, I’m in the “Punch Nazis” camp. But you can’t comfortably reside in that camp and argue “violence is never the answer.”

 

[quinnmac000]

That’s a very different situation. Violence on a macro has different levers than the micro scale because of the difference in risks for collateral damage. War is not slapping a guy.

I’ll frame it this way—words can be just as emotionally traumatic and threatening as physical violence. Words create riots. Words create extremists. And there are individuals who know that, take advantage of that, and thrive causing that damage because “they’re just words.” They take advantage of that because it’s profitable. Because they like the control. Because they’re immature. And because they believe there are no repercussions to it.

Now, there’s the belief that the best way to engage people like that is to ignore them. De-platform them. Or, if inclined, to debate them. And while that is a non-violent solution, it doesn’t actually solve anything. It doesn’t actually stop their dangerous message from getting out there which doesn’t stop someone else from hearing it and taking it to heart.

In those situations, when all of avenues have or are likely to fail, the best solution is making the speaker second-guess if what they’re going to say is worth saying. Violence, for all of its risks and flaws, does exactly that. Obviously, it shouldn’t be used in every situation. But I believe it is completely justified in some.

Basically, I’m in the “Punch Nazis” camp. But you can’t comfortably reside in that camp and argue “violence is never the answer.”

This. You can ignore a bully and that bully will still pick on you. The moment you throw a punch...the bully tends to back away.

 

[Nick]

So the Academy is now stating that Will was asked to leave and he blew them off and stayed. At least The Academy is accepting some blame...


"Things unfolded in a way we could not have anticipated. While we would like to clarify that Mr. Smith was asked to leave the ceremony and refused, we also recognize we could have handled the situation differently."

He's also being provided 15 days in regards to the events that happened to give him an opportunity to be heard prior to whatever punishment comes his way. I feel like The Academy is going to want to make an example out of him, so I don't think he'll be expelled forever, but I do think he'll get a multiple year suspension, which will keep him from being eligible to vote, attend, and be nominated.

This. You can ignore a bully and that bully will still pick on you. The moment you throw a punch...the bully tends to back away.

I think Will is more sick of being "bullied" in the macro sense, meaning being clowned on by literally every comedian, everyone on twitter, and many more. Rock got the slap, but I think this was more of a "I'm done with being clowned on" moment by Will and Rock was on the wrong end of it.

Will wasn't just sending a message to Rock there, he was sending a message to anyone who still wants to say something going forward. The problem is, the fact that he did this is only going to give comedians an entire specials worth of content to work with and i'd be surprised if Chris Rock's agents haven't been in contact with Netflix Comedy in the wake of this.

 

[quinnmac000]

Netflix: More Than Half of Members Globally Watched 'Anime' Last Year

Director of anime creative at Netflix Kohei Obara revealed to entertainment magazine Variety on Monday that "more than half" of Netflix's worldwide audience...

www.animenewsnetwork.com

Maybe we can say anime isnt Niche anymore which has been an argument used here often

 

[Jamesh22]

IMO, it was worse seeing how the audience applauded Roman Polanski after his win. What Will did, in the grand scheme of things when looking at the history of the Academy, was not as bad as some people are making it out to be.

We can all agree the Oscars have had many despicable and shameful moments including the above, and unless I have missed something, no one in this thread has suggested this was the worst Oscar moment in history.

But the fact remains that assaulitng someone on live tv is simply not forgivable or LEGAL and he should have been denied from making his acceptance speach (but i dont see how he could be denied his oscar when other *insert bad words* have been allowed to keep theirs)

The whole situation was wrong but the dismissing of the bigger picture just to clutch pearls over a slap between 2 millionaires with beef feels even worse.

The bigger picture = actor broke law by assaulting someone, 20 mins later receives standing ovation (like Polanski) and is aloud to collect award, talks about love and how hard his life is, and subsequently makes violence more acceptable.

 

[Tbad556]

unless I have missed something, no one in this thread has suggested this was the worst Oscar moment in history.

See below.

Film historians will look back on this moment as the biggest disgrace to The Oscars and The Academy as a whole.

Anyhow, Daniel Radcliffe is a real one and this remains laughably overblown and boring.

 

[Cup_Of_Coffee]

See below.


Anyhow, Daniel Radcliffe is a real one and this remains laughably overblown and boring.

God I love him.

 

[Nick]

See below.


Anyhow, Daniel Radcliffe is a real one and this remains laughably overblown and boring.

It's 4 days after and everyone in the world is giving their opinion on it say I can see where he's coming from. It will literally take years to see if what i said turns out to be the case or not.

 

[Allison]

The bigger picture = actor broke law by assaulting someone, 20 mins later receives standing ovation (like Polanski) and is aloud to collect award, talks about love and how hard his life is, and subsequently makes violence more acceptable.

Nope, the bigger picture =

 

[Nick]

Tickets for Chris Rock's first public performance on his tour soared after the incident. His comment on it: "I’m still processing what happened."

Nope, the bigger picture =

This is not the only take. You've posted some of this stuff multiple times now and i'm not black, no. But what Chris Rock said was not "violent". If he knew about her alopecia, it surely was distasteful and they are both in the wrong, but I simply don't consider it violent, especially if he DIDN'T know about her alopecia.

I get being violent with words is wrong (if you want to say that's what he was), but that STILL doesn't justify a physically violent response.

I will continue to say that Rock's joke was tame and not even funny. A real Chris Rock joke is the joke he used Jada in when he hosted in 2016, saying “Jada said she’s not coming, protest. I was like, ‘Isn’t she on a TV show?’ Jada’s going to boycott the Oscars? Jada boycotting the Oscars is like me boycotting Rihanna’s panties. I wasn’t invited!” That's the type of comedy Chris Rock has been known for his whole career and to me, people getting their panties in a knot over a tame, if slightly distasteful joke is crazy.

If Chris was going to get slapped every time he made a joke like that throughout his career, he'd be getting slapped all the time. This years Oscars was filled with insult comedy from all hosts and Chris Rock was likely brought on to do the same. The Aaron Sorkin joke, the Adam McKay joke, the open marriage joke, Kirsten Dunst seat filler joke, The Last Duel joke, The Penelope Cruz-Javier Bardem joke, Wanda Sykes had some good lines, etc.

I also just kinda think this is a microcosm of where we've stooped to as a country. Chris Rock said something that made Jada upset and Will Smith slaps him. No one talks anything out anymore, it's just straight to the extremes. Also, in his acceptance speech, Will was talking crazy, but as a country, we are so used to people talking crazy now that it doesn't even phase anyone anymore, it's just become normalized.

There's so many people that deserve individual apologies because their wins will never be remembered or the hosts won't be remembered. Questlove, Jessica Chastain, Jane Campion, Ariana Debose, Troy Kotsur, CODA and Dune's big night. Lastly, Regina Hall, Wanda Sykes, and Amy Schumer. They didn't host that show for the first time the other night, they've been prepping for it.

I hope Will gets better, too. Ever since the entanglement thing came out, he's had nothing but people dunking on him and I think he simply snapped in this moment. That still doesn't make what he did right though and he honestly owes himself an apology as he ruined his own biggest night by snapping.