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Ghostbusters

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You know a lot of "sexism" In Hollywood is based off of numbers, figures and research. It's been shown that in the past, It's a lot harder to get guys to a female fronted film than it is to get woman to a male dominate film with typical female roles.

Recently, The tide has been shifting where studios have realized in some ways they have completely ignored the female movie going market, and the numbers there are strong. Pitch Perfect 2 beat out Mad Max... "Surprise" Hits like Bridesmaids etc. have made Hollywood weary of leaving any quadrant(viewing audience) untapped in a lot of films. It's funny how this has played out in a lot of scenarios. First with Star Wars, Now with Ghostbusters... We will be seeing less 80's/90's typical action/sci-fi casting and a lot more women on screen.

The reason why I think this is a problem with GB(I debated abbreviating this for quite some time...) is because consumers aren't stupid anymore. Everyone has so much access to so much information it's changing the way we see what is given to us. People have seen different movements rise to cultural front and center now (yes, I'm looking at you feminism) Where there is a demand for more women in Film, TV, Higher Pay, Less stereotypical roles... and for once, whether these movements be blamed for it or not when you give the people what they want or have been asking for, they show out in droves!


What I think the problem is, my views on any social movement aside is by taking a male dominated franchise, and giving it up as a victory to a highly polarizing cultural movement. People who wouldn't normally bat an eye are now up in arms, not because of any inherent hatred of women, But because you are now using that medium to declare a victory for something people may or may not agree with, and the veil is kind of thin... Whether that's what the filmmakers intended or not. I will tell you though, I'd bet large sums of cash the studios thought long and hard about how they can take a movie with lots of male oriented humor and sci-fi and pick up the female audience that has been performing very well at the box-office as of late... To further my point, Mad Max was very, VERY-much intended to be a feminist film. The only blowback was from a small vocal minority of internet blowhards. The movie was great, the trailer was great, it cleaned up at The Oscars. Max was in it, even if he had very few lines... and he still kicked ass. If you read Maddox's review of Mad-Max( I recommend it, It's hilarious) Then compare it to his reaction to the Ghostbusters Trailer... That's basically what I feel is going on in the general populace.

This is Ghostbusters, without the Ghostbusters, looking like a very "feminist" film taking over a very much male oriented franchise, but still widely beloved by many. The original is a very well balanced film, though it still fell into stereotypical territory at some points. You are taking all of that, flipping it on its head in a very "aware" period in our culture. People realize they are not doing this to make a point, but to ultimately try to cash in as hard as they can... and at the same time possibly ruining what people loved about the film in the first place, and possibly politicizing it... Well actually they already did that, again whether intended or not. They've flipped the demographic. The same demographic that would see "GB: Original" Is not the same demographic that would go see "GB: Bridesmaids edition"(Well, maybe they are, but who knows). Now they have backlash. The same backlash they would have if they turned Katniss into a Boy, or Bella into a man and had Zoe Saldana cast as Jacob and Edward as Olivia Wilde.

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This sums it all up. Worth it. Give it your time.
 
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This sums it all up. Worth it. Give it your time.
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And yet, the remake changes not one single frame of the original. The absolute worst case is the the remake is bad - if this turns out to be the case, my Blu Ray won't suddenly combust. If the remake is good, then I have two good Ghostbusters movies I can watch - and no, Ghostbusters II was not good. I wish the complainers would just sit out and quit kvetching if they don't want to watch. I hate football, but I don't try to piss on a guy wearing a Patriots jersey. Grow up, the lot of you. (not aimed at Splatter in particular, of course.)
 
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I hate everything the remake is giving me evidence of, but I promise not to piss on anyone going into or coming out of the theater.
 
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I hate everything the remake is giving me evidence of, but I promise not to piss on anyone going into or coming out of the theater.
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Well, that's all anyone can ask of you. :)
 
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And yet, the remake changes not one single frame of the original. The absolute worst case is the the remake is bad - if this turns out to be the case, my Blu Ray won't suddenly combust. If the remake is good, then I have two good Ghostbusters movies I can watch - and no, Ghostbusters II was not good. I wish the complainers would just sit out and quit kvetching if they don't want to watch. I hate football, but I don't try to piss on a guy wearing a Patriots jersey. Grow up, the lot of you. (not aimed at Splatter in particular, of course.)
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For me and I would guess many others fall into this category, it's not that this movie will somehow make the old one worse, but rather it's a disappointment in what it could have been rather than this. In your analogy it's more like if you were a Patriots fan and they almost made the Super Bowl, you don't hate the Super Bowl but your disappointed because it's not the one you wanted to see. None of this takes away my right to complain about a poorly made movie or likewise praise a well made movie. Like I originally said it looks like a fun movie but I'm inclined to believe it's not going to be a good movie. Obviously without seeing it it's hard to say if it will be a good movie or not. Judging from the trailer things just don't look too promising but only time will tell.
 
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For me and I would guess many others fall into this category, it's not that this movie will somehow make the old one worse, but rather it's a disappointment in what it could have been rather than this. In your analogy it's more like if you were a Patriots fan and they almost made the Super Bowl, you don't hate the Super Bowl but your disappointed because it's not the one you wanted to see. None of this takes away my right to complain about a poorly made movie or likewise praise a well made movie. Like I originally said it looks like a fun movie but I'm inclined to believe it's not going to be a good movie. Obviously without seeing it it's hard to say if it will be a good movie or not. Judging from the trailer things just don't look too promising but only time will tell.
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I'm fine with nearly everything you said, except that this movie isn't the reason you didn't get the could-have-been, and in fact has nothing to do with it; I'd go so far as to bet the could-have-been was never going to happen. It was fairly obvious that Aykroyd and Co. never really intended to make a third movie, despite the wankery let's-pretend-to-work that Hollywood does so much of. Besides, the video game was probably a better GB3 than you would have gotten out of what Aykroyd himself called the "fat old men." Freddy Vs. Jason was meh, but it's not that movie's fault that the much better script with the Fred Heads religious cult never got made. It seems to me that - whatever one might think about the reboot - it's getting a lot of unfair flak on this front.
 
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I'm fine with nearly everything you said, except that this movie isn't the reason you didn't get the could-have-been, and in fact has nothing to do with it; I'd go so far as to bet the could-have-been was never going to happen. It was fairly obvious that Aykroyd and Co. never really intended to make a third movie, despite the wankery let's-pretend-to-work that Hollywood does so much of. Besides, the video game was probably a better GB3 than you would have gotten out of what Aykroyd himself called the "fat old men." Freddy Vs. Jason was meh, but it's not that movie's fault that the much better script with the Fred Heads religious cult never got made. It seems to me that - whatever one might think about the reboot - it's getting a lot of unfair flak on this front.
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This movie only moved forward once Harold Ramis died and the plans for Ghostbusters 3 were abandoned. The movie definitely rightfully deserves all the flack it is and potentially will get if it fails to deliver. When you make a movie on borrowed iconography this is simply the risk you take. The hope is that that existing iconography will help to make your movie more appealing but of course there are two sides to this and the other side is that along with that iconography comes certain expectations. If it's not what people expect then they will feel cheated and in turn be more critical of the movie then they would have been otherwise. This is why sequels often don't do as well as the original movie and also why a lot of directors don't like sequels because they don't like putting themselves in that box.
 
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This movie only moved forward once Harold Ramis died and the plans for Ghostbusters 3 were abandoned. The movie definitely rightfully deserves all the flack it is and potentially will get if it fails to deliver. When you make a movie on borrowed iconography this is simply the risk you take. The hope is that that existing iconography will help to make your movie more appealing but of course there are two sides to this and the other side is that along with that iconography comes certain expectations. If it's not what people expect then they will feel cheated and in turn be more critical of the movie then they would have been otherwise. This is why sequels often don't do as well as the original movie and also why a lot of directors don't like sequels because they don't like putting themselves in that box.
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GB3 was in development hell for almost three decades. If they really intended to make it, they would have.

See, this sense of entitled ownership in fandom I don't understand. Feig and Company don't owe fans of the original a single thing. You (collectively) have the movie (or movies, if you like halfassed sequels) that you paid for, and that's all you were ever entitled to. Any feelings of being cheated are the fans' problem. Sony owns the iconography, not the fans -- I realize this isn't the popular opinion, but there it is.
 
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GB3 was in development hell for almost three decades. If they really intended to make it, they would have.

See, this sense of entitled ownership in fandom I don't understand. Feig and Company don't owe fans of the original a single thing. You (collectively) have the movie (or movies, if you like halfassed sequels) that you paid for, and that's all you were ever entitled to. Any feelings of being cheated are the fans' problem. Sony owns the iconography, not the fans -- I realize this isn't the popular opinion, but there it is.
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It's not about ownership it's about expectation. I agree with you Sony has every right to do whatever they want, but at the same time everyone is entitled to their opinion and likewise will decide if they want to pay to go see this or not. Movies are essentially products, and like any product brand recognition is key. It helps consumers know what they're getting. In the case of this movie they are placing the GB brand on it but it at least appears as though it's something a little different. GB is a brand that's been around for 30 years, there's a lot of expectations built into that. Take Coke for example. they tried to change their product and keep it under the same branding. It was a big risk and it backfired big time. Had they simply just made a new drink given it it's own brand things may ave been different. Was New Coke judged unfairly, sure but that's the risk you take when you put a new product under an existing brand. In other words they chose this path, they could have simply made Ghost Smasher where a group of female paranormal investigators try to destroy ghosts as a business. They didn't have to use a hearse they could have had some expensive looking prototype vehicle instead. This isn't the direction they chose because they wanted to use all the existing iconography, that's perfectly fine but they run the risk of drawing a lot of criticism if it doesn't hold up to what people expect based on the iconography. Personally I think they just misinterpreted how many people in the general public take that iconography seriously, unlike other franchises it's not just this slim extreme fan group.
 
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It's not about ownership it's about expectation. I agree with you Sony has every right to do whatever they want, but at the same time everyone is entitled to their opinion and likewise will decide if they want to pay to go see this or not. Movies are essentially products, and like any product brand recognition is key. It helps consumers know what they're getting. In the case of this movie they are placing the GB brand on it but it at least appears as though it's something a little different. GB is a brand that's been around for 30 years, there's a lot of expectations built into that. Take Coke for example. they tried to change their product and keep it under the same branding. It was a big risk and it backfired big time. Had they simply just made a new drink given it it's own brand things may ave been different. Was New Coke judged unfairly, sure but that's the risk you take when you put a new product under an existing brand. In other words they chose this path, they could have simply made Ghost Smasher where a group of female paranormal investigators try to destroy ghosts as a business. They didn't have to use a hearse they could have had some expensive looking prototype vehicle instead. This isn't the direction they chose because they wanted to use all the existing iconography, that's perfectly fine but they run the risk of drawing a lot of criticism if it doesn't hold up to what people expect based on the iconography. Personally I think they just misinterpreted how many people in the general public take that iconography seriously, unlike other franchises it's not just this slim extreme fan group.
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Time will tell. I honestly don't think the GP takes the iconography that seriously when it comes down to it. Like everything else, there's a loud minority on each end, and the cattle in the middle wander to the shouts.
 
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Time will tell. I honestly don't think the GP takes the iconography that seriously when it comes down to it. Like everything else, there's a loud minority on each end, and the cattle in the middle wander to the shouts.
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Yeah I think it's because GB was so huge 25-30 years ago. All those kids (myself included) were pretty in to it and as described in that video above it held up pretty well as everyone matured, it's like a movie that grew with us and we were able to appreciate different aspects at different points. I agree with you I think there is a portion that are going to be on that extreme and there are others who won't care and just see it as a new fun movie it just comes down to is that a very loud minority or a big chunk of the public. I've actually been surprised at the level of dislike that has held up for the YouTube video, I honestly expected that to drop off and become a little more balanced as the viewership grew instead it's on it's way to becoming one of the most disliked YouTube videos. As you said only time will tell how that translates to ticket sales.
 
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Yeah I think it's because GB was so huge 25-30 years ago. All those kids (myself included) were pretty in to it and as described in that video above it held up pretty well as everyone matured, it's like a movie that grew with us and we were able to appreciate different aspects at different points. I agree with you I think there is a portion that are going to be on that extreme and there are others who won't care and just see it as a new fun movie it just comes down to is that a very loud minority or a big chunk of the public. I've actually been surprised at the level of dislike that has held up for the YouTube video, I honestly expected that to drop off and become a little more balanced as the viewership grew instead it's on it's way to becoming one of the most disliked YouTube videos. As you said only time will tell how that translates to ticket sales.
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And see, I don't care about ticket sales, nor should anyone who doesn't hold stock in Sony, except as it relates to getting sequels. I only care about whether I get an entertaining movie for my ten bucks - and everything about that trailer says I will. The "Satan is a liar" scene nearly made me piss myself laughing.
 
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Yeah I think it's because GB was so huge 25-30 years ago. All those kids (myself included) were pretty in to it and as described in that video above it held up pretty well as everyone matured, it's like a movie that grew with us and we were able to appreciate different aspects at different points. I agree with you I think there is a portion that are going to be on that extreme and there are others who won't care and just see it as a new fun movie it just comes down to is that a very loud minority or a big chunk of the public. I've actually been surprised at the level of dislike that has held up for the YouTube video, I honestly expected that to drop off and become a little more balanced as the viewership grew instead it's on it's way to becoming one of the most disliked YouTube videos. As you said only time will tell how that translates to ticket sales.
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Justin Bieber has the one of the World's most "disliked" videos.

He is also one of the World's top artists.
 
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And see, I don't care about ticket sales, nor should anyone who doesn't hold stock in Sony, except as it relates to getting sequels. I only care about whether I get an entertaining movie for my ten bucks - and everything about that trailer says I will. The "Satan is a liar" scene nearly made me piss myself laughing.
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Yeah, when all is said it done I'm actually happy about the movie. I don't have to watch it but I do get the opportunity to have Ecto Cooler and GB Twinkies and that's good enough for me! I'm disappointed it's not the GB I want but like you said GB3 might have been even more disappointing.

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Justin Bieber has the one of the World's most "disliked" videos.

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Yep, that pretty much sums up my point. It can do well, but that doesn't mean I'm going to like it.
 
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Perhaps there will be a little something to make everyone happy after all.

GHOSTBUSTERS Animated Movie Gets a Director – RPF Pulse
 
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International trailer was released and it's a bit funnier.

Looking at its release date, it really is sandwiched between a few high profile releases that are aimed at families. They better hope this pushback dies down and the reviews are good.
 
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International trailer was released and it's a bit funnier.

Looking at its release date, it really is sandwiched between a few high profile releases that are aimed at families. They better hope this pushback dies down and the reviews are good.
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It's sandwiched between Secret Life of Pets and Star Trek 3. I think this appeals to a broader audience.
 
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If I bet, I would put money on Ghostbusters out grossing Star Trek 3 at the box office.
 
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It's sandwiched between Secret Life of Pets and Star Trek 3. I think this appeals to a broader audience.
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As of right now, it doesn't seem to. :lol:
 
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