Spider-Man: No Way Home

[jseal777]

If you were about to die, and were pulled into an alternate universe where you could live again, and some nerd in spandex was trying to send you back to your own universe at the point of your death, you might be a bit 'evil' towards said nerd.

That makes sense, and is really funny to think about.

 

[pumpkinbot343]

Don’t think this count’s as a spoiler; Doctor Octopus’s tentacle arms are fully CGI this time around as opposed to the 2004 movie where they used puppets in some cases.

 

[PerceptiveCoot]

Don’t think this count’s as a spoiler; Doctor Octopus’s tentacle arms are fully CGI this time around as opposed to the 2004 movie where they used puppets in some cases.

Well of course, if they can do it in VFX, even in scenarios where physical arms can be used, they can pay the VFX people lower than the union wages they'd be paying the professional, on-set puppeteers.

They probably still wheeled out practical arms for lighting reference.

 

[Nick]

So i've been hearing Sony is worried about how far behind they are for VFX on this movie (with VFX artists now working 7 days a week to get it done). Between The Eternals low RT Score and the extremely low overseas box office for pretty much all movies, I think it's reasonable to question if they push this film from it's current date to March where Multiverse of Madness was previously slated to be released.

All you have to do is look at Venom 2's overseas box office to see the issues... It opened higher domestically than the first movie in 2018, but overall is still $20M+ behind where it closed domestically and will be lucky to finish with the same amount. Overseas, it's only made $205.4M compared to 2018's $642.5M. Venom 2 never got a China release, where Venom took home $269M in 2018. Sony execs have to be freaking out about that considering that's where Spider-man related movie's tend to clean up (Homecoming grabbed $116.2M in China and Far From Home took in $198.9). Other regions slacking at the box office doesn't help either.

No Time To Die is a perfect example - It has a little over $600M Worldwide after three weeks and already had it's release in China. That puts it past Quantum of Solace and Casino Royal, but also puts it almost $300M beind Sprectre and close to $500M behind Skyfall.

 

[HalfGlass]

So i've been hearing Sony is worried about how far behind they are for VFX on this movie (with VFX artists now working 7 days a week to get it done). Between The Eternals low RT Score and the extremely low overseas box office, I think it's reasonable to question if they push this film from it's current date to March where Multiverse of Madness was previously slated to be released.

All you have to do is look at Venom 2's overseas box office to see the issues... It opened higher domestically than the first movie in 2018, but overall is still $20M+ behind where it closed domestically and will be lucky to finish with the same amount and overseas, it's only made $205.4M compared to 2018's $642.5M. Venom 2 never got a China release, where Venom took home $269M in 2018. Sony execs have to be freaking out about that considering that's where Spider-man related movie's tend to clean up (Homecoming grabbed $116.2M in and Far From Home took $198.9). Other regions slacking at the box office doesn't help either.

No Time To Die is a perfect example - It has a little over $600M Worldwide after three weeks and getting and release in China. That puts it past Quantum of Solace and Casino Royal, but also puts it almost $300M beind Sprectre and close to $500M behind Skyfall.

I feel like the VFX issue is reason enough to push it, but I don’t think March is any more of a sure fire hit than December. Who knows what the holidays and Covid will bring both domestically and internationally.

I think studios need to come to terms that movies can perform well, but will most likely not return to pre-pandemic form for quite some time. They can’t postpone these blockbusters forever holding out for the perfect moment, I don’t think there is one, and if there is, it certainly can’t be predicted.

 

[Nick]

I feel like the VFX issue is reason enough to push it, but I don’t think March is any more of a sure fire hit than December. Who knows what the holidays and Covid will bring both domestically and internationally.

I think studios need to come to terms that movies can perform well, but will most likely not return to pre-pandemic form for quite some time. They can’t postpone these blockbusters forever holding out for the perfect moment, I don’t think there is one, and if there is, it certainly can’t be predicted.

I think audiences have become more patient for one thing. With basically a year or so of no major movies in theaters, the consumer got used to watch Netflix (or watching movies day and date at home). Marvel came to the home to with the Disney+ shows, so that changed things, too. I personally still haven't seen Shang-Chi and am waiting until it hits Disney+ on November 12th. Dune is the most pirated movie of all-time, supposedly. Streaming and the day and date strategy has changed customer habits in an extreme way. China being even more restrictive as to which movies they play than they were before is hurting movies even more. Europe is still extremely restricted on theatre capacity, too.

There's really no telling if the theatrical business will ever get back to where it was before. I don't think it will. I think it will survive, but be more niche.

 

[AlexanderMBush]

Food for thought, would February be a more optimal window? Would meant they'd have to bump Morbius forward into Early January, and to push Uncharted out, but I think that isn't uncalled for. Nor would it be that far off.

It would also poise them to have things back to the 3 month window that was originally pointed at for No Way Home/Multiverse of Madness.

 

[Nick]

Food for thought, would February be a more optimal window? Would meant they'd have to bump Morbius forward into Early January, and to push Uncharted out, but I think that isn't uncalled for. Nor would it be that far off.

It would also poise them to have things back to the 3 month window that was originally pointed at for No Way Home/Multiverse of Madness.

If I had to guess they're going to push like hell to get this to open in December. We should know by late November/Early December which is when tickets should be going on pre-sale.

 

[AlexanderMBush]

If I had to guess they're going to push like hell to get this to open in December. We should know by late November/Early December which is when tickets should be going on pre-sale.

I agree to that. And if anything, contrary to what I posted, I do think this is a ride or die for the holidays, much like WW84. The vaccines will really help with kids, but I think this is going to be a question of the legs that it'll have for the holiday.

I think the best thing it has, is that it shouldn't really have any competition until late January with Morbius.

 

[Nick]

I agree to that. And if anything, contrary to what I posted, I do think this is a ride or die for the holidays, much like WW84. The vaccines will really help with kids, but I think this is going to be a question of the legs that it'll have for the holiday.

I think the best thing it has, is that it shouldn't really have any competition until late January with Morbius.

Yup. Matrix 4 is coming out, but unfortunately it's day & date with HBO Max and we've seen how literally every one of those have performed. The piracy rate on those movies is extremely high. SM: NWH will have the time to itself, which is rare for that time of year, especially seeing next year will be packed with Avatar 2 and Aquaman 2 (along with others I believe).

Quick unrelated comment: Disney doesn't usually miss an opportunity at grabbing people's money, but I feel like it was a HUGE missed opportunity to not wait until the weekend of December 10th or so to release Ron's Gone Wrong (and give it some more advertising). It would've had the whole month basically to itself and into January to play to families and probably do some pretty good business. Instead, they opened it at the end of October to little fanfare, but extremely high audience scores for those who did see it (currently at 94%), which is why I think it could've done great if it had a bit more advertising and a month known for families going to the movies all to itself with little competition.

 

[TheGentTrent]

All I know is that there will be some major hell to pay if this misses its December date. Sony’s YouTube videos have been downvoted to oblivion by impatient fans waiting for a new trailer. Now imagine how they’d take the news about waiting even longer.

In any event, if not this movie, then I expect SOMEONE will try and take that release date. The holiday season is too prospective to leave empty.

 

[Nick]

All I know is that there will be some major hell to pay if this misses its December date. Sony’s YouTube videos have been downvoted to oblivion by impatient fans waiting for a new trailer. Now imagine how they’d take the news about waiting even longer.

In any event, if not this movie, then I expect SOMEONE will try and take that release date. The holiday season is too prospective to leave empty.

Sony would probably move Morbius up into that spot I imagine. But fans would be so pissed, Morbius may suffer because of it.

 

[PerceptiveCoot]

So i've been hearing Sony is worried about how far behind they are for VFX on this movie (with VFX artists now working 7 days a week to get it done)

Two questions.
1. Where have you heard this?
2. Have you heard of a movie called Cats?

 

[Nick]

Thought it was notable that in my showing of Eternals, there was no No Way Home trailer shown. Maybe it’s nothing, but it stood out as odd to me with it being the next big MCU movie and it’s only a bit more than a month away.

 

[Cup_Of_Coffee]

Thought it was notable that in my showing of Eternals, there was no No Way Home trailer shown. Maybe it’s nothing, but it stood out as odd to me with it being the next big MCU movie and it’s only a bit more than a month away.

No that’s definitely odd and worrisome.

 

[AlexanderMBush]

Thought it was notable that in my showing of Eternals, there was no No Way Home trailer shown. Maybe it’s nothing, but it stood out as odd to me with it being the next big MCU movie and it’s only a bit more than a month away.

Don't movie theater groups have control on what people see for coming films?

 

[Nick]

Don't movie theater groups have control on what people see for coming films?

I have no idea how it works. I always thought the studios paid to put their trailers in front of a specific movie, but I know nothing.

 

[AlexanderMBush]

Retaining the December 17th date! Let's see if the trailer changes things on that.

 

[Jerroddragon]

I don't see why the movie would move....its the biggest film coming out until Batman

 

[LieutLaww]

Anyone else noticed who is by the Lightning ? Are they teasing us ?