Theatrical Future/PVOD Thread

[Nick]

That's completely unknowable and unprovable, though, and I don't think trying to extrapolate hypotheticals will play well in front of a layperson jury (hence why I'm baffled Disney apparently wants this to get in front of a jury instead of just cutting Johansson another very large check).

Scarlett has already been presenting "unknowables" though. It's what a big part of her suit is based around actually. Claiming that Disney releasing the film when they did impacted its gross and they should have held onto it and that Disney+ PA hurt the movie.

None of that is completely knowable either, especially since Disney had already delayed BW multiple times and if they had delayed it again, it likely would've been to later in the Summer or this Labor Day spot, which wouldn't have been much better at all. Black Widow actually opened when Covid cases were low and a lot of people had just gotten vaccinated so it turned out to be a very good opening date for the film.

And it's not Disney that wants to get in front of a jury, it's Scarlett that does. This case will set the benchmark for how actors get paid on day and date movies going forward. Scarlett and her management want an official ruling on this.

 

[belloq87]

I thought I'd been hearing that Chapek considers any settlement/pay-off to be caving.

 

[Nick]

I thought I'd been hearing that Chapek considers any settlement/pay-off to be caving.

I'm sure he does, which probably isn't helping matters since he seems to be a very stubborn person and it's his way or the highway, but i've also heard for quite awhile that Scarlett wants to take this to a jury trial and there's very little that will change her mind about that. It's very possible both sides are ready for this to go in front of a jury and don't care. For Disney it's 100% better publicity to just pay her instead of dragging it on, although they may feel they're in too deep, so giving in now is not only not good PR (the headlines wouldn't be favorable at all), but it's also just giving up, like you said. But sometimes you need to swallow your pride. Iger was good at putting these sorts of fires out whereas it seems Chapek only wants to flame them.

 

[TheGentTrent]

I'm sure he does, which probably isn't helping matters since he seems to be a very stubborn person and it's his way or the highway, but i've also heard for quite awhile that Scarlett wants to take this to a jury trial and there's very little that will change her mind about that. It's very possible both sides are ready for this to go in front of a jury and don't care. For Disney it's 100% better publicity to just pay her instead of dragging it on, although they may feel they're in too deep, so giving in now is not only not good PR (the headlines wouldn't be favorable at all), but it's also just giving up, like you said. But sometimes you need to swallow your pride. Iger was good at putting these sorts of fires out whereas it seems Chapek only wants to flame them.

Boy did we get lucky that Chapek wasn't at the helm during that brief Spider-Man custody battle a couple of years ago.

 

[Nick]

Boy did we get lucky that Chapek wasn't at the helm during that brief Spider-Man custody battle a couple of years ago.

Yup. I suspect Spidey is gone after this contract, but i'm pretty sure that would've happened under Iger, too. It was nice to renew the deal for a few movies to at the very least finish up his trilogy and close things up a bit with Spidey. I think Disney and Sony have both mutually benefitted from this, but I think both are ready to move on. Sony wants Tom for their Spider-verse and let's be honest, the MCU doesn't NEED spider-man, especially with Blade, Fantastic Four, and X-Men coming up soon.

I do still suspect that they'll leave the door open and possibly renegotiate eventually so that they can have Spidey in Avengers 5 or something like that.

 

[AlexanderMBush]

Sounds like Shang-Chi has already crossed the 100M mark, with tuesday numbers starting to come in.

Yup. I suspect Spidey is gone after this contract, but i'm pretty sure that would've happened under Iger, too. It was nice to renew the deal for a few movies to at the very least finish up his trilogy and close things up a bit with Spidey. I think Disney and Sony have both mutually benefitted from this, but I think both are ready to move on. Sony wants Tom for their Spider-verse and let's be honest, the MCU doesn't NEED spider-man, especially with Blade, Fantastic Four, and X-Men coming up soon.

I do still suspect that they'll leave the door open and possibly renegotiate eventually so that they can have Spidey in Avengers 5 or something like that.

I'm going to be surprised if the MCU outright drops Spider-Man. I feel like there's more than enough room to keep SM into the MCU, even with Fantastic Four and X-Men coming into the universe.

 

[jseal777]

Sounds like Shang-Chi has already crossed the 100M mark, with tuesday numbers starting to come in.





I'm going to be surprised if the MCU outright drops Spider-Man. I feel like there's more than enough room to keep SM into the MCU, even with Fantastic Four and X-Men coming into the universe.

Was hoping we would get Spidey leading the new avengers and finally get his own spotlight versus just being somebody's protégé. Then maybe have a new avengers vs illuminati storyline that led into house of M or something. But they are obviously not doing that.

 

[AlexanderMBush]

Was hoping we would get Spidey leading the new avengers and finally get his own spotlight versus just being somebody's protégé. Then maybe have a new avengers vs illuminati storyline that led into house of M or something. But they are obviously not doing that.

Honestly, I can legitimately see a MCU with Peter Parker going to College, working with Daredevil and training Miles.

Let Miles be Sony's main Spider-Man, and Parker be MCU's.

 

[jseal777]

Honestly, I can legitimately see a MCU with Peter Parker going to College, working with Daredevil and training Miles.

Let Miles be Sony's main Spider-Man, and Parker be MCU's.

Miles having to fight the villains that Peter created the way that Peter has been fighting villains that Tony created.

 

[Nick]

Ultimately it's Sony's decision and also how much Disney truly cares about paying to keep Spider-Man once again. Let's not forget that Jon Watts' next major project is Fantastic Four, meaning there's currently no planned fourth Spider-Man movie for the MCU unless they decide to get a new director.

While Disney did finance half of No Way Home, I can't imagine that Sony is looking forward to giving up a large portion of the box office receipts on the movie. From what I remember, I think Disney is taking home 25% of the profits, although I could be mistaken and it's closer to 50%.

 

[OLSinFLA]

Honestly, I can legitimately see a MCU with Peter Parker going to College, working with Daredevil and training Miles.

Let Miles be Sony's main Spider-Man, and Parker be MCU's.

I believe Sony has the rights to Spider-Man itself, not who is playing it. So matter if its Parker or Miles, it would still be Sony

 

[Nick]

I believe Sony has the rights to Spider-Man itself, not who is playing it. So matter if its Parker or Miles, it would still be Sony

Of course, no one is arguing that.

 

[rageofthegods]

‘Halloween Kills’ Going Theatrical Day & Date On Peacock

Universal will be releasing the Blumhouse/Miramax movie Halloween Kills in theaters and on Peacock on Oct. 15. The release date stays the same, the distribution pattern changes up. Why is Uni doing this in the wake of moviegoers’ great return to theaters for Disney/Marvel’s Shang-Chi and the...

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[OLSinFLA]

Of course, no one is arguing that.

I was responding to Alexander's post where he said: Let Miles be Sony's main Spider-Man, and Parker be MCU's.

 

[Nick]

I was responding to Alexander's post where he said: Let Miles be Sony's main Spider-Man, and Parker be MCU's.

Sony wants to use Spider-Man for their Spider-Verse. @AlexanderMBush was simply giving a scenario in which Spider-Man were to stay in the MCU under a new deal between Sony and Disney (which would continue the use of Tom Holland as Peter Parker), and then Miles Morales could be used in Sony's Spider-verse.

 

[AlexanderMBush]

Sony wants to use Spider-Man for their Spider-Verse. @AlexanderMBush was simply giving a scenario in which Spider-Man were to stay in the MCU under a new deal between Sony and Disney (which would continue the use of Tom Holland as Peter Parker), and then Miles Morales could be used in Sony's Spider-verse.

Yup. Either that or have both Tom and Andrew co-exist, but Andrew works within Sony's (Which I also see as a valid opportunity, depending on NWH's success rate).

I don't think things are going to simply end with the contracts either. Especially with Disney and Sony's new release plans alongside Netflix. I think it bodes well that Sony will *eventually* release films onto Disney+ under the new contracts.

‘Halloween Kills’ Going Theatrical Day & Date On Peacock

Universal will be releasing the Blumhouse/Miramax movie Halloween Kills in theaters and on Peacock on Oct. 15. The release date stays the same, the distribution pattern changes up. Why is Uni doing this in the wake of moviegoers’ great return to theaters for Disney/Marvel’s Shang-Chi and the...

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Was waiting for this shoe to drop; but it's probably for the best. Especially as No Time To Die and Dune are right up against Halloween Kills. I don't think it's a concern of the quality of the film in this scenario, as it should hopefully allow more profits for Universal, Blumhouse and Miramax.

 

[Nick]

Yup. Either that or have both Tom and Andrew co-exist, but Andrew works within Sony's (Which I also see as a valid opportunity, depending on NWH's success rate).

I don't think things are going to simply end with the contracts either. Especially with Disney and Sony's new release plans alongside Netflix. I think it bodes well that Sony will *eventually* release films onto Disney+ under the new contracts.

While I do think Andrew Garfield is lying through his teeth and will be in No Way Home in some role, I don't think we'll see him after that. I think he's more than happy doing great work on high art awards films such as The Eyes of Tammy Faye and Tick, Tick... Boom! (along with others he's done throughout his career) rather than reverting back to being Spider-Man again for an extended period of time, especially because Peter Parker is a limiting character for a talented actor like Garfield.

 

[quinnmac000]

Was waiting for this shoe to drop; but it's probably for the best. Especially as No Time To Die and Dune are right up against Halloween Kills. I don't think it's a concern of the quality of the film in this scenario, as it should hopefully allow more profits for Universal, Blumhouse and Miramax.

It cost 10 million to make so it makes more sense to put on Peacock to get subs when it will likely even gain profit from the theatres.

 

[Nick]

It costed 10 million to make so it makes more sense to put on Peacock to get subs when it will likely even gain profit from the theatres.

Yeah, it'll easily make it's money back and more in theaters, so putting it on Peacock is pretty much just a pure subscriber thing. I still think they should at the very least require you to get the $9.99 tier if you want to watch movies that they are putting out day and date. $5 is practically giving the movie away for free.

 

[HalfGlass]

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