I'm not talking about Disney, I was talking about the Pixie dusters that @JawsVictim was referring to.
Tiana's Bayou Adventure (Opening June 28, 2024)
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I would think they would continue to call it Splash Mountain but add a tag line to it.
The Splash Mountain name (not just the word Splash!) is one of the most iconic attraction names in the world. I find it hard to believe that Disney would throw it away.
The Splash Mountain name (not just the word Splash!) is one of the most iconic attraction names in the world. I find it hard to believe that Disney would throw it away.
I agree with "going down the bayou". Should've been a water based ride that doesn't get the riders drenched.
Haha always thought it was weird that a ride based off Frozen was a water ride...with a drop. Ice turning to water. Poor Olaf, he's gonna need a bigger flurry.
Yeah, Splash Mountain is inspired by Br'er Fox's lair known as "Chickapin Hill".
Apparently there is a newspaper in the queue that explains how it became "Splash Mountain". It was due to some Moonshine Distillery blowing up and breaking a beaver dam. Interesting...
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Feels like Dr. Facilier needs to be in this attraction, he seems to be a very popular character. However, I definitely can see the voodoo elements being problematic.
that entire character (Dr. Facilier) is problematic. He's has the potential, down the road, to be as problematic as what they're trying to distance their selves from. Lots of stereotype there. He's a colorful entertaining villain,BUT they'd be wise to leave him out, especially with all of the controversy that caused this ride redo. .That's a pretty damn potentially culturally insensitive character, to a number of groups, in a number of ways....none of which I care to elaborate on. .
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I absolutely love this and am so excited for it. This will get me back to WDW along w/Tron, SWGE, M&M, once I’m back to traveling this one will definitely be a must do. I hope they get some more modernized AAs which I suspect they will in at least some areas. Happy to have another new Disney ride! Especially in Orlando!
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Come to Disneyland my dude, we'll have most of that stuff in the same park.
EDIT: Except for Tron
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Yep! I remember catching a glimpse at the newspaper in the queue.
Based on the concept art the top of the lift hill is Mama Odie’s shack, which is located in the bayou. Splash Bayou. Calling it.
I just can't imagine how or why you would do a PatF attraction without the most compelling and popular character. I get he has his issues, but they can work around those and none of them are nearly as bad as what Splash Mountain is based on. Of course i'm a white guy talking, but I say again, if you aren't going to include the most compelling character, then don't put PatF here.
Great character, no doubt ....potential issues in this climate , wouldn't touch that character now with a ten foot pole. Ten years ago, no problem. ...Why go through the same stuff they're now in, again.These sensitivities have a history of expanding once the momentum starts.
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Indeed, and in the film his motivations are more complex than just attaining magical power like other villains. He pretty explicitly states within the movie that he only uses voodoo as a means to achieve wealth in a world that is apathetic to his existence.
EDIT: On a separate note, this scene also does a great job of condensing lots of character motivation and plot information within a short time frame. I forgot how good this movie was.
The ride is set after the movie, so maybe they aren't. But this ride needs a villain or it really will become a pretty boring 13-minute ride.
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We do know that mama odie’s is where the boats’ final drop comes from, assumably leading to a mardi gras scene (in line with the story details we know). maybe the ride’s story will be us journeying to her house and braving the bayou’s animal threats (which could be the villains), with the drop ultimately being her using magic to transport us from her house in the bayou to new orleans for the final celebration. Regardless, the bayou has plenty of dangerous creatures which could serve as our main opposition throughout the experience.
With how New Orleans has had elements of the paranormal..part of me is wanting, to put a bet that because this is set after the first film; we are going to see ghost Doc. Facillier, and that they'll lean into how that is handled with somehow, we go into the other side and try to escape it at one point. Perhaps as the means of explaining what could unfold for the big drop.
And as @VolcanoAye says, the Bayou's animals could take a large role in being a primary force.
Alright Black person here. I'm going to use this post to cover multiple arguments against this project so bear with me.
Song of the South is problematic. Not just the film but some of the African American talent as well.
In Disney's defense, James Baskett after Uncle Remus was quite controversial in which he upset the NAACP who was pushing for progress while he was staring in shows that didn't show African American in the best of light. (Look up Andy and Amos Show).
Additionally, his Oscar is controversial because it was begged by Disney for an award compared to Hattie MacDaniel who actually competed and won against her peers.
Hattie MacDaniel was actually cancelled by the black community with her success extremely limited because she lost all support fom the black community which also limited her appeal and ability to sell tickets. She later tried to put a minstrel show on tour which failed because it was a minstrel show.
The first African American man to actually win an Academy award for Best Actor (Sidney Poitier) in 1963 yelled at the academy during his speech for not giving roles to Black people real roles outside criminals and the help and his winning was due to just being a token.
As for Princess and the Frog, as a person of color, I believe this film was probably one of the best representation of what Black woman have to go through....Tiana had to work hard on her own, dealing with black men not family putting them down (the restaurant owner in the beginning), discrimation (the bankers saying people of her background won't succeed), the disappointment of a dream deferred (her not getting the restaurant at first because too late) and how their personalities can come across too aggressive at times. She succeeds despite her challenges and finds someone.
Another positive rep within the film in my opinion is Tiana didn't have an absent father which is very prevalent in low income Black families.
I get the oh she needed a man to help her. But to be honest, Her man Naveen was broke because his playboy lifestyle and mommy/daddy cutting him off so he had nothing to do or provide her. Another argument was about Naveen not being black. My answer to that is while I agree that it’s important to showcase positive black-black relationship, that take is still racist as it suggests blacks should only be with black people which in of itself racist. People should love and be able to love who they want as long as they are a legal consenting adult. Additionally, per dating stats from modern dating applications, Black women are the most open to dating people yet the least desired. Having Naveen who isn't black fall for Tiana helps change those beauty standards and what is thought as attractive.
The biggest argument on why Princess and the Frog was racist was due to the fact, they made the first black princess a frog majority of the movie and I remember some Caucasian people at the time were arguing the film shouldn't be called princess and the frog since she wasn't a princess to begin with. (These same people did get called out recently on facebook for their previous hot take which they stated they did't realize how rude that was at the time).
the voodoo piece is also a very complex argument. Voodoo or Vondou originated in west africa as a mix of Christian culture and shamanism essentially. A lot of people were Christian by day, practicioners of voodoo by night. It was like some the African folklore that people are arguing about keeping with Splash Mountain. It was brought by slaves as something from home so the gods to here. Unfortunately, Hollywood and mainstream cultured perverted it from its original form for entertainment purposes as well as the religious entities who tie it to satanism out of ignorance. This lead to a lot saying Dr Facilier being a voodoo witch doctor as problematic mainly by the Christian/Conservative area when truthfully there still is a large population of Louisiana Voodoo/Haitian Voodoo practitioners in New Orleans. (I mean just look up Marie Laveau and Papa Midnight [Fred Staten]).
Additionally to worship and communicate with the deities they would sing which is exactly what Disney does in the film.
The argument against Dr Facilier is pretty based on religion not race. It was look at this black guy doing devil work. While voodoo in Africa isn't used for sinister deeds, blood sacrifices are needed so the film was correct as well as Loas which are not evil as shown in the film.
I will say this in regards to voodoo. Historically White supremacists have use the traditions such as sacrficing animals, the chanting, to argue that black people were possessed by the devil and primitive. However, I don't think that is a strong justification to cut a still prevalent and popular African American cultural niche from the upcoming attraction.
Song of the South is problematic. Not just the film but some of the African American talent as well.
In Disney's defense, James Baskett after Uncle Remus was quite controversial in which he upset the NAACP who was pushing for progress while he was staring in shows that didn't show African American in the best of light. (Look up Andy and Amos Show).
Additionally, his Oscar is controversial because it was begged by Disney for an award compared to Hattie MacDaniel who actually competed and won against her peers.
Hattie MacDaniel was actually cancelled by the black community with her success extremely limited because she lost all support fom the black community which also limited her appeal and ability to sell tickets. She later tried to put a minstrel show on tour which failed because it was a minstrel show.
The first African American man to actually win an Academy award for Best Actor (Sidney Poitier) in 1963 yelled at the academy during his speech for not giving roles to Black people real roles outside criminals and the help and his winning was due to just being a token.
As for Princess and the Frog, as a person of color, I believe this film was probably one of the best representation of what Black woman have to go through....Tiana had to work hard on her own, dealing with black men not family putting them down (the restaurant owner in the beginning), discrimation (the bankers saying people of her background won't succeed), the disappointment of a dream deferred (her not getting the restaurant at first because too late) and how their personalities can come across too aggressive at times. She succeeds despite her challenges and finds someone.
Another positive rep within the film in my opinion is Tiana didn't have an absent father which is very prevalent in low income Black families.
I get the oh she needed a man to help her. But to be honest, Her man Naveen was broke because his playboy lifestyle and mommy/daddy cutting him off so he had nothing to do or provide her. Another argument was about Naveen not being black. My answer to that is while I agree that it’s important to showcase positive black-black relationship, that take is still racist as it suggests blacks should only be with black people which in of itself racist. People should love and be able to love who they want as long as they are a legal consenting adult. Additionally, per dating stats from modern dating applications, Black women are the most open to dating people yet the least desired. Having Naveen who isn't black fall for Tiana helps change those beauty standards and what is thought as attractive.
The biggest argument on why Princess and the Frog was racist was due to the fact, they made the first black princess a frog majority of the movie and I remember some Caucasian people at the time were arguing the film shouldn't be called princess and the frog since she wasn't a princess to begin with. (These same people did get called out recently on facebook for their previous hot take which they stated they did't realize how rude that was at the time).
the voodoo piece is also a very complex argument. Voodoo or Vondou originated in west africa as a mix of Christian culture and shamanism essentially. A lot of people were Christian by day, practicioners of voodoo by night. It was like some the African folklore that people are arguing about keeping with Splash Mountain. It was brought by slaves as something from home so the gods to here. Unfortunately, Hollywood and mainstream cultured perverted it from its original form for entertainment purposes as well as the religious entities who tie it to satanism out of ignorance. This lead to a lot saying Dr Facilier being a voodoo witch doctor as problematic mainly by the Christian/Conservative area when truthfully there still is a large population of Louisiana Voodoo/Haitian Voodoo practitioners in New Orleans. (I mean just look up Marie Laveau and Papa Midnight [Fred Staten]).
Additionally to worship and communicate with the deities they would sing which is exactly what Disney does in the film.
The argument against Dr Facilier is pretty based on religion not race. It was look at this black guy doing devil work. While voodoo in Africa isn't used for sinister deeds, blood sacrifices are needed so the film was correct as well as Loas which are not evil as shown in the film.
I will say this in regards to voodoo. Historically White supremacists have use the traditions such as sacrficing animals, the chanting, to argue that black people were possessed by the devil and primitive. However, I don't think that is a strong justification to cut a still prevalent and popular African American cultural niche from the upcoming attraction.
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Absolutely. I think it will most certainly be something like "Princess and the Frog: (insert title here)" or have the "(title) a Princess and the Frog adventure" tagline.
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If they don't rename it to "Princess and the Log" then I quit Disney forever.
Yeah completely understand and agree. I think most of us would like to see him in the attraction. However, I definitely see how it cause issues. Hope we see some variation of his song sung by other characters in a different context.
Wonder if we will see Universal back away from the Voodoo themes they started to embrace with Mardi Gras.
For some reason I have always associated New Orleans with the paranormal, do not know why.
If he appears in the attraction, I am curious to see how it would be handled and explained.
Definitely agree. I think most theme park audiences expect conflict involving a villain nowadays, especially with an IP. If it is just riding around it would need to be very visually impressive to make up for it.
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With all the debate surrounding this attraction, I doubt it needs to be known that it’s PatF in the title. People that I didn’t even know were Disney Parks fans are throwing around opinions.
