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Universal's Epic Universe Wish List & Speculation

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Am I the only one who's underwhelmed by the possibility of Harry Potter MoM replacing Fantastic Beasts? I mean, it's the Wizarding World equivalent of a City Hall. Visually, it might be gorgeous, but as a concept, it's as exciting as a visit to the Star Wars DMV. At least with FB, we could have gotten some killer animatronics. Now, if it's Harry Potter characters mixed with Newt's creatures, then meh? :shrug:
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What is Diagon Alley but the Wizarding World equivalent of a mall? What about FB would give us great AAs that "Harry Potter characters mixed with Newt's creatures" can't? What is FB but that statement minus Harry Potter characters?
 
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What is Diagon Alley but the Wizarding World equivalent of a mall? What about FB would give us great AAs that "Harry Potter characters mixed with Newt's creatures" can't? What is FB but that statement minus Harry Potter characters?
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Just to echo some of the other posters, it seems kind of redundant. There's already two lands with HP characters. Bringing in the FB actors would freshen things up a little bit as opposed to relying on the same B-level cast from Potter.

Who knows, maybe I'll end up being wrong about this. It'd only be the (checks watch) 473,929,485th time.
 
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TheGentTrent said:
Am I the only one who's underwhelmed by the possibility of Harry Potter MoM replacing Fantastic Beasts? I mean, it's the Wizarding World equivalent of a City Hall. Visually, it might be gorgeous, but as a concept, it's as exciting as a visit to the Star Wars DMV.
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Have...have you read the books and watched the movies? The Department of Mysteries is an awesome locations
 
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There is so much inanely stupid and magical stuff to go through in the Ministry. And simply the idea of pitting Arthur Weasley against Dolores Umbridge (versus any character in FB) is a friggin delightful idea.

www.hp-lexicon.org

Ministry of Magic – Harry Potter Lexicon

The Ministry of Magic is the governmental authority for the Wizarding world in Britain. The basic mission of the Ministry of Magic is to keep the Muggles from finding out about an entire culture of magical folk. It’s a huge, complicated, and inefficient bureaucracy, just like most governmental...
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Have...have you read the books and watched the movies? The Department of Mysteries is an awesome locations
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Yep, and I'm just not sure there's a lot of attraction potential. There's no shops or restaurants (that I know of) and the only ride idea that comes to mind is the elevator concept.
 
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Yeah.

And a new F&F attraction (better suited to the franchise) would replace MiB. Something I heard a few months ago.
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Boooo, they should build in in Kidzone or the new park
 
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Legacy said:
There is so much inanely stupid and magical stuff to go through in the Ministry. And simply the idea of pitting Arthur Weasley against Dolores Umbridge (versus any character in FB) is a friggin delightful idea.

www.hp-lexicon.org

Ministry of Magic – Harry Potter Lexicon

The Ministry of Magic is the governmental authority for the Wizarding world in Britain. The basic mission of the Ministry of Magic is to keep the Muggles from finding out about an entire culture of magical folk. It’s a huge, complicated, and inefficient bureaucracy, just like most governmental...
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I’ll be there day one if I can cast spells at Umbridge.
 
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tankart150 said:
Boooo, they should build in in Kidzone or the new park
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The MIB ride system is pretty outdated and the IP is irrelevant. Not that I'm excited to see MIB go, but it does make sense.
 
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The MIB ride system is pretty outdated and the IP is irrelevant. Not that I'm excited to see MIB go, but it does make sense.
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The ride is excellent and scores high on guest satisfaction surveys, it would be a major mistake for it to leave.
If the attraction is already good, then keep it.
 
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The Knight Bus ride just doesn't sound exciting to me. Part of me wishes we got a ministry ride still in France w/FB and the Ford ride on the MIB/FF plot and expand London that way. Keep San Francisco and add a show if you can or another sit-down restaurant to spice up the area. But nonetheless, the future of this resort is bright. Sad to see MIB go but I get it.
 
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Joe said:
I’ll be there day one if I can cast spells at Umbridge.
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Ahhh....so you have a crush on her?............... :grin: :lol: ..Just kidding.
 
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The ride is excellent and scores high on guest satisfaction surveys, it would be a major mistake for it to leave.
If the attraction is already good, then keep it.
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They can't. The ride system isn't supported anymore from what I've heard, which makes maintenance hard.
 
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Nah, Fallow's right, usually it takes about 2.5x to 3x the budget of a film to breakeven depending on how much money comes from overseas (the revenue split is lower for Overseas markets compared to domestic ones due to middlemen, currency differences, etc). Obviously, every film is different, but for almost every blockbuster out there, the marketing budget is at least as big as the film budget itself.

Wrt to theatrical splits, it's alot more ad hoc than people usually acknowledge, but remember, the amount a studio gets goes down as time goes on. For most blockbusters, studios make about 33% of the total BO on opening weekend; for the rest of that 67% of the BO, their split of the revenue steadily declines each week. Usually the average split shakes down to about 55% for domestic theaters and 40% for overseas, which is what the rule of thumb is. FB2 is actually pretty interesting because it made a much bigger percentage of its overall box office on opening weekend than is usual, but also, you gotta also remember that FB2 had the lowest opening weekend of any Potter film and also the lowest Cinemascore. People did not turn out for this one in very high numbers, and they didn't tell their friends to go in very high numbers either. Comparing international gross is tricky because the international market has grown so much in the past ten years, but in terms of domestic gross at least, FB2 is the lowest by a wiiiiiiiide margin, and that's a worrying place for the franchise to be in imho.

I think it's instructive to look at the profit breakdown for the first movie. Despite having a 150m higher worldwide gross, FB1 only made about 164.7m in profit; nothing to sneeze at, certainly, but that's less than A Star is Born. Using the 55%/40% rule of thumb, FB2 made about 76.7m less at the BO on a budget that's 20m higher. It still made money, certainly, but like, Shazam profits.

And as for it being movie 2/5, well, franchises tend to go down with each successive installment, with a few big exceptions like X-Men and the MCU. I think FB3 is a big risk right now.
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Thanks for breaking this down, I was about to type it out until I saw you responded! There's a reason I specified 50% takeaway on average - studios get more in the opening weekends, theaters get more in the subsequent weeks. It evens out, generally.

Anyway, I'm not sure where his math is pointing to profitability. If marketing is 2x the budget of the film (which again is probably too high for most films), that means Fantastic Beasts cost roughly $600 mil... aka the cost it made!

Warner Bros has gotten very quiet about their "five movie plan." As Legacy pointed out, the number of films in a series are only as dependable as box office receipts.
 
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Ahhh....so you have a crush on her?............... :grin: :lol: ..Just kidding.
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He's hoping that he can mix up a love potion and sneak it into her drink. Shame on you, Joe.
 
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Umbridge is the actual main villain of the Potter series.
 
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Umbridge is the actual main villain of the Potter series.
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I knew that. :lol: The other day I mentioned she could well be Universal's answer to Disney's Ursula.......... @Joe : ;) :)The same thought that @SkiBum posted passed through my mind when I wrote the above post.
 
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Joe said:
Umbridge is the actual main villain of the Potter series.
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Voldemort had some class at least

There was literally nothing to love about Umbridge...pure evil
 
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TheGentTrent said:
Am I the only one who's underwhelmed by the possibility of Harry Potter MoM replacing Fantastic Beasts? I mean, it's the Wizarding World equivalent of a City Hall. Visually, it might be gorgeous, but as a concept, it's as exciting as a visit to the Star Wars DMV. At least with FB, we could have gotten some killer animatronics. Now, if it's Harry Potter characters mixed with Newt's creatures, then meh? :shrug:



Warner Bros definitely saw Crimes of Grindelwald as a flop. After all, this is the same studio who claimed they lost $167 million on Order of the Phoenix (a $150 million dollar film that brought in nearly a billion worldwide).
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Hollywood math is its own universe. It has nothing to do with the real world.
 
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They can't. The ride system isn't supported anymore from what I've heard, which makes maintenance hard.
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They can convert it to trackless, Trackless MIB and Cat :)
 
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I have never wanted to hex someone as much as i did umbridge when she fired trelawney.
Also, though i still would prefer FB Paris greatly, i do wanna clarify that Wizarding World cannon already establishes the Sirens Tail as a restaurant that can come with the british ministry, so it has material for at least one dining option. That being said, though it’s canon it never showed up in the books/movies, as it’s one movie scene was cut.
 
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