I am still ricocheting off the walls at Andy's theories. I think I dreamt about it last night. The possibility that the writers hit us with 30 years at the same time is a vast conceit. If true, then oh to be so sharp. And that's a compliment.
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We don't actually know how old the park is though. We know Anthony Hopkins is 78- so his character is likely 75-80 or so. The park conceivably could have opened 50 years ago- that puts him at 30.
The only thing "30 years" represents is how long Man in black has gone to the park, as well as knowing the park reached "critical failure" 30 years ago. (Side note: we also know man in black has earned the right to do whatever he wants)
We know Wild Bill was the 2nd robot ever made. We're not 100% certain Delores was the first, they only refer to her as the "oldest in the park"- so the "1st" could have been retired or (if you're a conspiracy theorist)- is still operating- just not "in" the park. Although it doesn't matter if Delores was the first or just the oldest in the park as she has "been repaired so many times she's practically new"
So, under this theory, let's say the park is 50 years old. Let's call the year 2150.
2150-2170, the AI improves at a rapid pace.
Sometime prior to 2170- the tech plateaus and what we had in 2170 is what we have in 2200. Some storylines, much like Dumbo, It's a Small World, etc- are so beloved, that they stay the same indefinitely- such as Delores' storyline- the "Dumbo" of Westworld
It's certainly conceivable.
This is something that has been getting me a ton. Where the heck is this place. Its like a 100 story building or so. Likely underground, as there are no windows. We know that the "map" they look at is a 3D digital mapping of what is actually happening. I used to think the "old" westworld was physical, but the "new" westworld is digital; i.e.- they're plugged in- which fixes the bullet issue, whatever "critical failure" there was, and prevents harm from guests to other guests (or even guests falling off a cliff)- but that doesn't make sense as the security guard and lady physically go in westworld to fix the "milk" gunman and the "constellation" guy. It also takes them all day to reach him, and they physically need his head- so it's clearly still the "real" world.
Which leads me to a few questions-
What makes a guest not kill or rape another guest (and how would you even know WHO is a guest)?
What prevents you from falling in a raveen and busting your head open and bleeding to death (as it would take a medical team hours to get to you as we saw from the security guard and tech)?
And I'm not even upset and it doesn't feel "spoiler"- In fact, I'd prefer it- because if it is true- then we get to have a character we truly care about and to be able to see the entire event of "critical failure" instead of some lame, single "flashback" episode that doesn't hold nearly the weight or character development that this method does.
I'll say this- this is the same Nolan that wrote Inception and Memento. If it doesn't involve different timelines, I'll be shocked.
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I've been kind of wondering if this corporation just purchased a huge chunk of Monument Valley or whatever and cordoned it off for their park. The control center was depicted as on top of a mesa in the first episode, with many sublevels underneath it (probably where the guest reception facility is, too) that connect to vast tunnels (utilidors!) built across the whole park.
There might not be any guarantee that you can't get hurt at all, I think they've only emphasized that the hosts can't hurt you. You probably have to sign a waiver or something beforehand.
Has anyone else noticed the escalators freaking everywhere? I've been wondering what the significance of that is.
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It could easily be earth and the population is on another planet- maybe it's a post interstellar world.
It's something that isn't normal- as senior-staff Bernard can't call his wife/ex-wife often because its hard to get a line out. I mean, we're way beyond wifi/facetime/LTE 100 years from now- So they are completely remote somewhere.
1) on another planet
2) way underground on earth (or another planet)
3) on earth but everyone else on another planet
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In answering my own question- I found Westworlds Terms and Services. Couple of standouts:
Terms of Delos Destinations
IMPORTANT! PLEASE READ THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF USE CAREFULLY BEFORE ENTERING THE DELOS DESTINATIONS COMPOUND (THE “SERVICE”), AS THEY AFFECT YOUR LEGAL RIGHTS AND OBLIGATIONS IN RESPECT TO YOUR USE OF THE SERVICE.
ACCEPTANCE OF TERMS: Upon entering the Delos Destinations Port of Entry, you are agreeing to the terms and conditions as laid out in this document.
LIMITATIONS OF LIABILITY: Upon use of The Service, you agree that Delos, Inc. is not responsible for any injuries that are the result of gameplay. Recreational activity within the Delos Destinations compound does contain risks, and every effort will be made to ensure the safety of every guest. However, Delos, Inc. gives you license to experience the parks as you see fit, and certain injuries may occur.
(a) You dissolve Delos, Inc. of any responsibility financial or criminal that would result from dismemberment, broken bones, heart failure, loss or loss of use of hand and foot digits, shock, marital and relational strife, child endangerment, psychological trauma, delusions or hallucinations resulting from the realistic nature of the park experience, and/or any other physical, emotional, and psychological effects resulting from strenuous park activities.
(b) Statistically speaking, you are more likely to die from lightning strike than to die while in a Delos park. However, the following causes of accidental death have occurred within the Delos Destinations compound: buffalo stampede, self- cannibalism, accidental hanging, drowning, 3rd-degree burns, autoerotic asphyxiation, blunt force trauma, allergic reaction to non-native plant life, falling from great heights, common manslaughter, tumbleweeds. You absolve Delos, Inc. of any wrongdoing if you or anyone in your party suffers bodily harm while using The Service, and you agree to not sue or prosecute Delos, Inc. or any of the smaller entities falling under the Delos Corporation.
(c) All weapons and equipment used within Delos parks are the exclusive property of Delos, Inc. Gun ammunition contains proprietary safeguards related to bullet velocity, and tampering with gun safety features or ammunition automatically transfers liability to you and absolves Delos, Inc. of any injury or death that may occur as a result.
(d) All livestock within the Delos parks are Hosts, with the notable exception of flies. All humanoid and animal Hosts within Delos parks work to keep guests safe, even when the narrative calls for them to appear to endanger guests. Please note, the appearance of danger is not the same as true danger, and all Hosts utilize the Good SamaritanTM reflex to prevent bodily harm. However:
(e) Delos, Inc. shall not have a liability to you by reason of any delay or failure to perform if the delay or failure to perform is occasioned by circumstance beyond our control, which shall refer to any act of God, storm, fire, casualty, unanticipated work stoppage, power outage, satellite failure, strike, lockout, labor dispute, civil disturbance, riot, war, national emergency, Governmental action, Host malfunction, or other circumstance beyond our reasonable control. RULES OF CONDUCT: All guest activity within the parks of the Delos Destinations compound is unrestricted and without limitations. However:
(a) Upon entering the Delos Destinations compound, you agree to voluntarily divest yourself of all cameras, cellular devices, and electronic technology capable of recording your park experience, including virtual reality recorders and devices, and holographic recreation devices. There is no video recording, audio recording, or written recording allowed within the park. You are allowed to utilize the in-park Host character PHOTOGRAPHERS, whose narratives allow for you to take Delos- approved photographs. These photographs will reflect the time period and location of the park narratives you are playing. No other photography is allowed.
(b) You agree that you will leave the Delos Destinations compound on your appointed leave date, and you will make no attempt to hide within the parks and avoid your leave date. A maximum of twenty-eight (28) days is allowed for being within the parks before guests must proceed to the Mesa Gold area for decompression. Any attempts to use the parks to avoid local, federal, or international court dates, jail or prison sentences, prosecution, or payments agreed upon in civil court or arbitration will not be supported by Delos, Inc.
(c) Please act responsibly while a guest at the Mesa Gold resort and while utilizing the Mesa Bar. Please be mindful of other guests, families, and children. Please note that while utilizing the Mesa Bar, you may interact with Delos, Inc. employees; any ideas pitched to Delos, Inc. employees automatically become the property of Delos, Inc., in perpetuity. Also, any mention of human-on-human crime admitted to a Delos, Inc. employee must be brought to the attention of Delos, Inc., and if falling within the laws of the Territory, may have to be reported to local authorities. COPYRIGHTS AND TRADEMARKS: The Service and all materials included are protected by copyrights, patents, trade secrets or other proprietary rights under the respective laws of the Territory and are the exclusive property of Delos, Inc. These materials include, but are not limited to: the intellectual property of all Delos Destinations parks, the Host characters, Hosts’ programming code, the names of locations within the parks, the narratives within the parks, the recipes for specialized food and beverage items within the parks and featured at the Mesa Gold resort, text, photographs, graphics, video and audio content.
(a) As such, you may not copy, reproduce, distribute, publish, enter into a database, display, perform, modify, create derivative works, transmit, or in any way exploit any part of The Service.
(b) Using The Service is a privilege, and by doing so, you agree that you will make no attempt to remove anything belonging to Delos Destinations from the compound. You will not remove any food or beverage items, any Hosts, any clothing, any weapons or equipment, any signage, or any Host body parts from the compound. The only items you may remove from the compound are in-world photographs taken by designated Hosts. All other items are strictly forbidden.
INVESTIGATIONS/VIOLATIONS: If Delos, Inc. or any Delos Entity believes, in its sole discretion, that a violation of these Terms has occurred, it may take any and all corrective action it deems appropriate without notice, including contacting local authorities on the mainland. All human-on-human crimes taking place within the Delos Destinations compound will first be investigated by Delos, Inc.; Delos, Inc. has successfully avoided providing personal data in response to a legal process involving outside court entities for its entire history of existence. However, Delos, Inc. reserves the right to disclose personal information requested by a law enforcement agency, and shall have no liability to you for such disclosure.
PRIVACY: You are guaranteed absolute privacy while using The Service as outlined in this document, and all guest activities connected with use of The Service remain strictly private and confidential.
(a) You agree that while in the parks, you will respect the privacy rights of other guests, and you will not endeavor to record for the purposes of sharing the activities of other guests in the parks. You will not at any time, directly or indirectly, disclose, disseminate, or duplicate park activity pertaining to your or other guests’ gameplay.
(b) By entering the Delos Destinations Port of Entry, you acknowledge that Delos, Inc. controls the rights to and remains the sole owner of, in perpetuity: all skin cells, bodily fluids, secretions, excretions, hair samples, saliva, sweat, blood, and any other bodily functions not listed here. Delos, Inc. reserves the right to use this property in any way, shape, or form in which the entity sees fit.
MISCELLANEOUS: These Terms cannot be changed or terminated orally. Any failure of Delos, Inc. to exercise or enforce any right or provision of these Terms will not constitute a waiver of such right or provision. No waiver by Delos, Inc. of any provision of these Terms will be of any force or effect unless made in writing and signed by a duly authorized officer of Delos, Inc. Delos, Inc. may assign its rights and obligations under these Terms, in whole or in part, to any party at any time without any notice. Delos, Inc. reserves the right to deny access to all or part of the Service to you or any person in its sole discretion without notice or liability of any kind.
OK- so I have another small theory, because I made the mistake of thinking Hector was Logan for a bit- here is a pic:
If my timeline theory is correct, they could have used Logan's DNA from his semen left behind (from multiple people) to make Hector (in accordance with their terms and services). If that is not how the hosts are constructed, they still could have used his likeness for Hector as well.
Yes- that's reaching, but who knows with this bunch...
Aaaah... I never knew that the Ed Harris character is actually playing a character named "Man In Black". He has no other name on IMDB. The possibility that they are hiding that his true name is William becomes more compelling. Oooooooh!
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Hah- right?
Hector Escaton is played by Rodrigo Santoro
Logan is played by Ben Barnes
So ya, two different actors with very similar looks.
There's nothing that ties William to being the MiB outside of MiB saying he was "born" in Westworld symbolizing a "rebirth" or departure from his old way (white to black) as well as them both picking the can up for Delores. But it could also be Logan, it just wouldn't seem as poetic. I 100% believe William and Logan are in a different timeline- and I have yet to hear any compelling evidence why they wouldn't. Again, the logo differences stand on their own. That was intentional for a reason. And I'm 95% sure William is the MiB.
^ They did have him go from reticent participant to near gun lust really fast, with him tearing down that wanted poster afterwards.
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Or a tumbleweed. Hah. Yet they say "the following deaths have occurred". Here's hoping we see that one...
We're only 3 episodes in and already at 7 pages of discussion.
Looks to me like HBO's finally found their long-sought replacement for Game of Thrones come 2018.
Looks to me like HBO's finally found their long-sought replacement for Game of Thrones come 2018.
I've finally watched episode 3 and I can stop acting like this looking at the thread being updated in the recent posts section.
There is a ridiculous amount going on. Something that stuck out to me is that William got 'shot' yet the MIB didn't even react to it in earlier episodes.
There is a ridiculous amount going on. Something that stuck out to me is that William got 'shot' yet the MIB didn't even react to it in earlier episodes.
So, one thing that is unclear to me is violence beyond guns. Can a guest walk up to any of the hosts and tackle them to the ground? Do the hosts fight back and punch the guest in the face? If a guy bumped Teddy out of the way and grabbed Delores and dragged her into a shed... what would happen? I didn't read all of those Terms so perhaps there are rules.
The whole thing is such a strange concept.
The whole thing is such a strange concept.
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I'vebeen thinking this as well. Something that was touched upon in the latest episode is that only certain hosts can use the axe and I assume other items that could be used as a weapon.
And that was a device that really didn't make sense. Can't the park just drop some chopped wood in the forest for them to pick up? Do they not have refrigerators backstage for the food in the saloon? So many holes that need filling.
