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Wizarding World - Diagon Alley Discussion (Opens 2014)

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I am amused by all the expansion chatter. My thoughts haven't changed. :doh:
 
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I am amused by all the expansion chatter. My thoughts haven't changed. :doh:
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wait what are your thoughts?
 
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wait what are your thoughts?
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He thinks an expansion won't happen lol... I don't get how people can NOT think an expansion will happen at this point, it just makes sense...
 
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aaah ok then... well yeah it would definetly make sense to expand. it would be stupid other wise....why doesnt he think they will expand?
 
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aaah ok then... well yeah it would definetly make sense to expand. it would be stupid other wise....why doesnt he think they will expand?
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A lot of people on here think that it would be "too much" Potter, even though Potter takes up half of a full island. They think it would turn off people, or it "wouldn't be as good quality as the first time"... Hello, J.K. Rowling has a LOT of control, if it wasn't up to par in her opinion, Uni wouldn't release an expansion. Personally, I also think they are scared to lose LC, while a great island, it's lost it's relevance and probably has the least attendance out of all the islands. I have NEVER seen it busy... But I'll stop while I'm ahead xD
 
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In response to the "just take over the Arabian section of LC" theory, I doubt that would ever happen, because that would leave just two restaurants, one shop, and one attraction. Not much of an island. So it's either all or nothing for a Potter expansion.

Just as a side note, Uni has waited far too long to expand into the area behind Thunder Falls. That land just begs for an awesome ride.
 
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In response to the "just take over the Arabian section of LC" theory, I doubt that would ever happen, because that would leave just two restaurants, one shop, and one attraction. Not much of an island. So it's either all or nothing for a Potter expansion.

Just as a side note, Uni has waited far too long to expand into the area behind Thunder Falls. That land just begs for an awesome ride.
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That is a possibility we were talking about earlier, with a small expansion of the castle (the rest of the houses, possibly a classroom + the Great Hall) and the a carriage tour housed by the Forbidden Forest (kind of like a jungle safari but more magical with an English feel). But really, I think a Quidditch ride or a flight on a broom stick in that area would be excellent as well...
 
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That is a possibility we were talking about earlier, with a small expansion of the castle (the rest of the houses, possibly a classroom + the Great Hall) and the a carriage tour housed by the Forbidden Forest (kind of like a jungle safari but more magical with an English feel). But really, I think a Quidditch ride or a flight on a broom stick in that area would be excellent as well...
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I'm not sure you understand. The plot of land I mentioned is on the TL side of JP, well away from Potter. And I meant it as a JP expansion.
 
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I'm not sure you understand. The plot of land I mentioned is on the TL side of JP, well away from Potter. And I meant it as a JP expansion.
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Ahhhhh xD... Sorry, didn't understand. I was referring to the un used land inbetween JP and Potter. Although if it WERE to expand there (HP), they would have to do something with JP, the castle in the distance is jaunting enough on JPRA... And yes, an expansion of JP would be cool too...

Anyway, back to the topic, if an expansion were to happen (and it will sometime in the future... Years away, but not necessarily distant xD), I would say that what we've just been talking about (or possibly Diagon Alley, although I doubt it at this point), along with small touches like Magi Quest would be very very good and a great excuse to make a new advertisement for the land, drawing new crowds because it's "now featuring *insert another aspect of the Wizarding World*, only at Universal Orlando Resort!" lol...
 
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I do have plenty more reasons, I'm just using common sense in Theme Parks. An expansion has never been expanded over another land, due to popularity or the amount of money it is making. Right now you see Lost Continent as a weak part of the park, and I can now say that you are wrong. The last few times I've been to IOA, it's just as crowded as the rest of the park. People aren't coming to IOA for anything, but Potter right now. Why would they come for anything else... why would they come for Lost Continent? I don't like LC. I like Potter. But that does not mean that it is going anywhere anytime soon. Use your common sense. Mythos? They aren't re-theming it for Harry Potter... they're not going to touch it. They're not taking over the Arabian area, because that leaves you a pathetic excuse of a land. You're ideas make no sense, and do not fit how the current lay out is.

Go back into previous posts, and read our arguments over an expansion. You'll find I'm just repeating myself. :bang:
 
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Ahhhhh xD... Sorry, didn't understand. I was referring to the un used land inbetween JP and Potter. Although if it WERE to expand there (HP), they would have to do something with JP, the castle in the distance is jaunting enough on JPRA... And yes, an expansion of JP would be cool too...

Anyway, back to the topic, if an expansion were to happen (and it will sometime in the future... Years away, but not necessarily distant xD), I would say that what we've just been talking about (or possibly Diagon Alley, although I doubt it at this point), along with small touches like Magi Quest would be very very good and a great excuse to make a new advertisement for the land, drawing new crowds because it's "now featuring *insert another aspect of the Wizarding World*, only at Universal Orlando Resort!" lol...
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There is no land between JP and HP... And all Uni has to do to hide the castle is add tall trees and theme the show building to a JP werehouse, but they're too lazy to do that apparently.

They could easily add small touches like MagiQuest and amall Deathly Hallows addition without a full blown expansion, and still advertise a new thing to get people to return and spen more money. The huge Potter expansion we got was necessary because Universal needed something to really grab the masses' attention. Now they have it, and IMO they don't need to make a big show of anything again.

Another side note, there was a post somewhere that said they should make PF and Sindbad rides. If they were to do that, IoA would have a show count of... 0. Not good in the diversity dpmt.
 
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Frankly, I think we'll hear news about an expansion around, or leading up to, part two of Deathly Hallows. I remember something going around the rumor mill about Rowling stipulating somewhere they had to do something for Deathly Hallows. I'd think they'd have done something for Forbidden Journey by now if that's certainly true, but frankly, I think we'll be seeing expansion news and rumors flying around in July.
 
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Mitchiez I know you can argue your opinion all you want, but just beause YOU think there won't be expansion, doesn't mean that is fact that is your opinion.

Some people choose to believe there will be expansion, some will choose to believe that there won't be, like yourself. But to tell someone they are flat out wrong goes against the point of the board which is to voice ones' opinion.

Now you make valid arguments on why they WILL NOT take over the island, but the simple economics, not too mention the survey they sent out, not to mention a news report on MTV mentioning it, and not to mention the money they will make.....Uni has no sympathy and does not owe ANYTHING to keep PF or Mytho's. Yes they would be losing an incredible restaurant and an original signature attraction of the park. But what they are gaining is what matters most in the theme park industry which is $$$.

The shops in LC yes are awesome, and are a VERY niche market, but the money they make on those shops compared to what they would make with expanded Potter shops is like comparing my local office building to the Sears tower, there is no comparison.

Everything is money driven, and that is what will ultimately decide what stays and what goes, and if they see they will DOUBLE or TRIPLE their profits by replacing Mythos with The Leaky Cauldron, so be it. 3B is making A LOT more money right now than Mytho's ever has.

As of right now, unless one of us works for UC this is all pure speculation and left up to debate, which is what we are here for. But there is a 50/50 chance this expansion happens, and if it does, its more than likely taking over LC.
 
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Mitchiez I know you can argue your opinion all you want, but just beause YOU think there won't be expansion, doesn't mean that is fact that is your opinion.

Some people choose to believe there will be expansion, some will choose to believe that there won't be, like yourself. But to tell someone they are flat out wrong goes against the point of the board which is to voice ones' opinion.

Now you make valid arguments on why they WILL NOT take over the island, but the simple economics, not too mention the survey they sent out, not to mention a news report on MTV mentioning it, and not to mention the money they will make.....Uni has no sympathy and does not owe ANYTHING to keep PF or Mytho's. Yes they would be losing an incredible restaurant and an original signature attraction of the park. But what they are gaining is what matters most in the theme park industry which is $$$.

The shops in LC yes are awesome, and are a VERY niche market, but the money they make on those shops compared to what they would make with expanded Potter shops is like comparing my local office building to the Sears tower, there is no comparison.

Everything is money driven, and that is what will ultimately decide what stays and what goes, and if they see they will DOUBLE or TRIPLE their profits by replacing Mythos with The Leaky Cauldron, so be it. 3B is making A LOT more money right now than Mytho's ever has.

As of right now, unless one of us works for UC this is all pure speculation and left up to debate, which is what we are here for. But there is a 50/50 chance this expansion happens, and if it does, its more than likely taking over LC.
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i agree with you completely. mitch, they dont really care all that much about LC. its pretty boring, its not attracting people (yeah its crowed soetimes only because everything else is crowded too) and its by far not perfect enough to not touch. uni is a business and the main objective of a business is to make money. the most profitable action right now would be to expand harry. it was a very successful area and many people want more of it. (personally i think theyshouldmake lordof the rings but what ever they makei will probably be happy with.). the most logical sense of profitable action would be to expand.
 
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I do have plenty more reasons, I'm just using common sense in Theme Parks. An expansion has never been expanded over another land, due to popularity or the amount of money it is making. Right now you see Lost Continent as a weak part of the park, and I can now say that you are wrong. The last few times I've been to IOA, it's just as crowded as the rest of the park. People aren't coming to IOA for anything, but Potter right now. Why would they come for anything else... why would they come for Lost Continent? I don't like LC. I like Potter. But that does not mean that it is going anywhere anytime soon. Use your common sense. Mythos? They aren't re-theming it for Harry Potter... they're not going to touch it. They're not taking over the Arabian area, because that leaves you a pathetic excuse of a land. You're ideas make no sense, and do not fit how the current lay out is.

Go back into previous posts, and read our arguments over an expansion. You'll find I'm just repeating myself. :bang:
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That's because the rest of the park is crowded. Crowds die down, guess what? It's empty. Potter is relatively crowded. Before Potter, I was at Uni (and seeing that castle was enough to make me drool at 12 or 11 years old xD), and I went to LC for Dueling Dragons. It was DEAD. Honestly, I might have seen one or two people in all there.

Mythos is ONE resturant. It's had it's time, yes, it's an epic restaurant, but it IS showing it's age on the outside and the last time I was at Uni (a few years back) there wasn't a line for it or anything...

You'll find I'm repeating myself as well :P And I've got an argument with facts and statistics. Read our arguments with open minds, and we'll do the same with yours. And from what I've seen, LC, while potentially a pretty good land, isn't the easiest money making route to go.
 
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Mythos is ONE resturant. It's had it's time, yes, it's an epic restaurant, but it IS showing it's age on the outside and the last time I was at Uni (a few years back) there wasn't a line for it or anything...

You'll find I'm repeating myself as well :P And I've got an argument with facts and statistics. Read our arguments with open minds, and we'll do the same with yours. And from what I've seen, LC, while potentially a pretty good land, isn't the easiest money making route to go.
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Recently they actually cleaned off all of the mold on the outside, and oh BOY was Mythos crowded during the last busy season. Even if Potter takes over every other island, they HAVE to keep Mythos.

Sometimes we must choose between what is right and what is easy. :P I agree expanding Potter would make tons of money, but the LC has originality, creativity, and an epic theme, which is what makes IoA IoA, IMO.
 
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Mitchiez said:
I do have plenty more reasons, I'm just using common sense in Theme Parks.
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Can you sort of outline the laws of your common theme park sense? Because mine is telling me: Rule #1 Making more money > everything else.

Mitchiez said:
An expansion has never been expanded over another land, due to popularity or the amount of money it is making.
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Here we go again, comparing the WWoHP to any other themed land in history. If you can name one that is even remotely comparable in worldwide popularity or the massive amounts of money, attendance gains to its resort, etc as the WW I would start to consider this argument. But from what I can see the WWoHP is unprecedented, which means you can't compare it to past precedents, because it has none.

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Mythos? They aren't re-theming it for Harry Potter... they're not going to touch it. They're not taking over the Arabian area, because that leaves you a pathetic excuse of a land. You're ideas make no sense, and do not fit how the current lay out is.
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Who says all the lands have to be the same size? Look at Liberty Square at Magic Kingdom. Besides, I and many others would argue that LC is already a pathetic excuse for a land, with no rides, no staple attraction, two mediocre shows, and a shopping/games area. As I have said before, the medieval section was clearly the most important section of LC, with DD its main attraction. Anyone could have seen that, with the medieval area's removal, LC would be crippled. And yet Universal still saw fit to rip out LC's heart and feed it to Potter. It's not hard to see which property is more important to them.
 
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Recently they actually cleaned off all of the mold on the outside, and oh BOY was Mythos crowded during the last busy season. Even if Potter takes over every other island, they HAVE to keep Mythos.

Sometimes we must choose between what is right and what is easy. :P I agree expanding Potter would make tons of money, but the LC has originality, creativity, and an epic theme, which is what makes IoA IoA, IMO.
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You're using a moral message as the reason a company wouldn't expand Potter? rotfl, LC isn't the BEST thing IoA has, and while I agree, the creativity and thought behind it WERE great, now it's two REALLY bad shows and one cash cow of a great restaurant.

Alright, so can any anti-expansion people tell me what supply and demand is? Right now, supply is at a high. Demand is at an all time high xD. Possibly a maximum (although it's possible we could see a rise in it's first full summer of being open). Of course an expansion won't happen right now. It will be (quite) a few years before it happens, but the likelihood is extremely high that it will happen. But demand is for Potter. Not LC. It wouldn't be too big, it would be the size of the former LC. We get what we've talked about (possibly minus Diagon Alley although I think a Gringotts roller coaster would be EPIC), and boom you've got a new surge of crowds (which is what they aim for - constant crowds. Not neck breaking crowds, because those can kind of negatively impact you, but you want crowds at the park if your running it.
 
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Can you sort of outline the laws of your common theme park sense? Because mine is telling me: Rule #1 Making more money > everything else.



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I know this was not directed at me but Mitchez has valid points. Also, theme parks make the bulk of their money with Resturants and Merch. People will becoming for Potter for a very long time. It has more fans worldwide than it does in the US and not everyone can afford to visit in the first six months or first year.

Butterbeer, Hogshead, The Three Broomsticks and the Three gift shop structures fit everything sellable Potter Universal and WB could fit into them.

Another part of business is if revenue stays at a level the company is comfortable with they won't do anything in that area about it.

The fact that the common fans in large numbers also attends every day and purchases more things and buys more butterbeer and Pumpkin Juice just proves this.

I don't think Mitchez is saying that an expansion is impossible to happen, but being realistic it is(most likely) more likely not to.
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When you say that an expansion will eae the crowds, you do realize that the main street of Hogsmeade will always be as skinny as ever, right? Nothing will change that.

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You're using a moral message as the reason a company wouldn't expand Potter? rotfl, LC isn't the BEST thing IoA has, and while I agree, the creativity and thought behind it WERE great, now it's two REALLY bad shows and one cash cow of a great restaurant.
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That's completely opinionated. I rather like PF and I think (and I'm sure many tourists might agree) that it offers a nice change of pace and diversity from the rest of the park.
 
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