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Jurassic World VelociCoaster Construction Thread (Opening June 10)

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Nitro_230

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Teebin said:
... and the main JP guest building, and eggs hatching, and ice cream. It even had a John Hammond/Richard Attenborough lookalike when it opened ... If they were going for a different location, they did a piss poor job of it.
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I include egg hatching under the dinosaur category. Ice cream.... really?

And these two buildings that are built in the same style but not at all the same?
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And yes, as a Jurassic Park facility John Hammond would be involved, just as he was on both of the other islands.
 
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The Adventura storyline reminds me of Mission: Space's storyline. Going for a simulation because that would be more "believable" than an actual space flight.

Imagine if New Orleans Square had this kind of convoluted backstory to ease our minds about how the French Quarter could possibly be in Louisiana and Disneyland at the same time.
 
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rabbitsmoon said:
The Adventura storyline reminds me of Mission: Space's storyline. Going for a simulation because that would be more "believable" than an actual space flight.

Imagine if New Orleans Square had this kind of convoluted backstory to ease our minds about how the French Quarter could possibly be in Louisiana and Disneyland at the same time.
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The difference is that New Orleans Square isn't going for a realistic representation of one specific location...it's going for an idealized version of New Orleans from a certain time period. Jurassic Park's (the film's) most endearing quality, besides visual effects, is that it established a very specific and well-realized location. Jurassic Park wouldn't be as effective on some random island--we, the audience, identified with the backstory and the location, all planned out very well by Michael Crichton to be believable. The film established several visually-striking landmarks meant to leave impressions with the audience, such as the Welcome Center, the gates, the Jeeps, the T-Rex exhibit, the raptor feeding-enclosure, etc. The atmosphere created in the film was extremely impressive, with filming done on location in island/tropical settings so the audience truly believed Jurassic Park was on an island, and that this premise could be believed for two hours. That was the movie...

Now we come to the theme park. It's impossible to recreate everything audiences remembered from the movie. Could they build a Welcome Center to the same scale, with the same interior design? No (they couldn't even fit the DNA ride in it). Could they accurately bring the T-rex/velociraptor feeding exhibit to the park considering what room they had? No. Could they have the iconic Jeeps passing by the Welcome Center and navigating around the island? Apparently not. What they could do was recreate a tropical setting the best they could (though they couldn't effectively sell to guests that they were near Costa Rica). So, the way I see it, IOA did the next best thing--they took landmarks from the movie that were decently familiar (a revised Discovery Center) and applied the same general aesthetic without recreating the film entirely, a measure which would have been incredibly costly and impossible considering guests' thorough knowledge of the wonderful atmosphere the JP film created. In doing this, they didn't sell you some cheap knockoff of Isla Nublar, which everyone would know was off...they told you that it was InGen's second try; that way, guests wouldn't be offput by the fast food restaurant inside the Discovery Center, or the huge Environmental Systems building that had boats dropping out of it, yet no Jeeps. It allowed them to be creative within the realistic confines of a theme park (especially one as small as Islands of Adventure) without having to adhere exactly to the films, which is what guests would've asked for.

New Orleans Square is a mesh of several elements of New Orleans in one small and immersive footprints. There was not one specific location within the city they had to recreate. Jurassic Park is a film setting that a lot more people had a better understanding of than a sprawling town. Instead of just giving us an abbreviated theme park version of what Spielberg, Crichton and Co. had established very fully in their film, they went through the trouble of explaining why some things were a little different. This had the bonus affect of being true to the continuity of the series, so instead of believing we're visitors at Isla Nublar (which clearly was shut down before being open to the public), we can believe we are in John Hammond's next attempt. I think it's theme park storytelling at its finest, really.
 
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If it were storytelling at its finest, it wouldn't go unnoticed by the majority of guests.

And I'd argue that the locations from HP are much more iconic, but they still took liberties there while remaining faithful and specific in other aspects. Who doesn't remember the lagoon surrounding Hogwarts from the films? But we don't need to hear that this is Hogwarts new Orlando boarding school in order to understand why it's not there.
 
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rabbitsmoon said:
If it were storytelling at its finest, it wouldn't go unnoticed by the majority of guests.

And I'd argue that the locations from HP are much more iconic, but they still took liberties there while remaining faithful and specific in other aspects. Who doesn't remember the lagoon surrounding Hogwarts from the films? But we don't need to hear that this is Hogwarts new Orlando boarding school in order to understand why it's not there.
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Most theme park stories do go unnoticed by guests. There's a story to Big Thunder Mountain Railroad...do you think most people know it?

Hogwarts is absolutely more iconic, which is why they took wayyy less liberties with it. Sure, the lagoon is missing, but the architecture and way everything is set up is very reminiscent of the HP films. Jurassic Park at IOA shares nothing in common with Isla Nublar--the River Adventure, Camp Jurassic, the walkways that are missing Jeeps, even the Discovery Center strays from the design of the Welcome Center in the films. WWOHP and JP are aiming for two different things--WWOHP is meant to be a recreation, JP is meant to be an inspiration.
 
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I'm not going to get too much into this because I feel people are debating just to debate. But Isla Nubar was abandoned. Isla Sorna... was abandoned... InGen was doing rough financially and decided to go back to Isla Sorna to capture the Dinosaurs that broke free for zoos across the world. That went wrong and many people died.

And in true John Hammond form, we make some changes and try again.

I'd hardly say Universal is doing a poor job at conveying the story, the entire River Adventure queue explains the story in an infomercial called "Jurassic Journal" with two hosts explaining all the "set-backs" leading up the creation of Isla Adventura.
 
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Taco said:
I'm not going to get too much into this because I feel people are debating just to debate. But Isla Nubar was abandoned. Isla Sorna... was abandoned... InGen was doing rough financially and decided to go back to Isla Sorna to capture the Dinosaurs that broke free for zoos across the world. That went wrong and many people died.

And in true John Hammond form, we make some changes and try again.

I'd hardly say Universal is doing a poor job at conveying the story, the entire River Adventure queue explains the story in an infomercial called "Jurassic Journal" with two hosts explaining all the "set-backs" leading up the creation of Isla Adventura.
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This is all true. Isla Adventura does have similarities with other Jurassic Park attractions around the world, just like if another company had multiple locations. All McDonald's do have similarities, Disneyland and Magic Kingdom do have similarities.

But it does come down to being at a theme park and what makes you happy. If the back story presented at an attraction does not make you happy and making up your own does, go with it :thumbs:

But the official back story of it being a completely different park makes more seance to me :cheers:
 
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I think this clip from mad men best describes the back story of the island: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UI4FH9Pets
 
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Plus the River Adventure ride is an actual ride on the island in the book. And the T-Rex burst through the waterfall to get the kids in the book and that is represented in the ride too, except we (the riders) take their place.
 
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I like that they are pulling more elements from the book into the "land". But I am not thrilled with what I am hearing for 2nd and possibly 3rd attractions.
 
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what rides are you even hearing are being added? All i want in an indoor ride where I can see dinosaurs
 
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Disneyhead said:
But I am not thrilled with what I am hearing for 2nd and possibly 3rd attractions.
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What changed? You sounded pretty happy a week ago.
 
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JungleSkip said:
What changed? You sounded pretty happy a week ago.
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I have been hearing about the amber mine for a while, but the 2nd attraction has always been rather, shall we say "nebulas". Now I am hearing more Kodo and Kang's-ish than I was hoping.
 
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Disneyhead said:
I have been hearing about the amber mine for a while, but the 2nd attraction has always been rather, shall we say "nebulas". Now I am hearing more Kodo and Kang's-ish than I was hoping.
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Oh. Sorry. Thought you meant the amber mine was the second attraction.

Honestly, I never expected anything more than the Amber Mine and a few flat rides. I'm totally okay with that, as long as it's as entertaining as Kang and Kodos
 
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I went on the River Adventure for the first time in a while this past Thursday and I really think it needs to close for a bit when they start construction to get some refurbs. The ride is showing some age IMO. Still fun though, but it totally needs another ride. I know about the amber mine coaster rumors, but I hope it isn't a glorifed Hippogriff/Nuthouse Coaster kind of ride.
 
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Milla4Prez66 said:
I know about the amber mine coaster rumors, but I hope it isn't a glorifed Hippogriff/Nuthouse Coaster kind of ride.
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It's not.
 
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Disneyhead said:
I like that they are pulling more elements from the book into the "land". But I am not thrilled with what I am hearing for 2nd and possibly 3rd attractions.
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That's sad. Call me spoiled but flat rides to me just don't belong in parks of this caliber at least not more then one..
 
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I could use some help please. If you could just take 5 seconds and vote I would truly appreciate it.

http://www.orlandounited.com/forums...Request-Please-Help-HTF!!?p=336303#post336303
 
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cbconglom said:
That's sad. Call me spoiled but flat rides to me just don't belong in parks of this caliber at least not more then one..
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I'd very much disagree. It's an easy way to add capacity and as long as they're themed well it's fine. I'd rather have a dark ride, but if they're adding things to the park I'm not going to complain.
 
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Disneyhead said:
I have been hearing about the amber mine for a while, but the 2nd attraction has always been rather, shall we say "nebulas". Now I am hearing more Kodo and Kang's-ish than I was hoping.
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Hmm... Theme wise I wonder how they would even go about that.

How about the potential third attraction? Something small scale? I'm still bummed the dark ride got scrapped. =/
 
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