The Future of Lost Continent (Poseidon Fury closing May 9)

[Cole]

OK, you are a Uni Fanboy if you think Suessland is better than Fantasy land. Too many things kids can't go on because of height restriction and other things adults don't want to go on because it is boring. I mean you have the below:

Trolley (Anyone under 40" can't go and anyone over 40" don't want to go)
Cat in the Hat (Have to be able to sit up, hold the bar, etc and they took out the spinning so adults don't have as much fun)
1 Fish 2 Fish... I will give you this one is better than Dumbo, but in the end it is a spinner
Carousel.. It is a Carousel, my daughter likes it no more or no less than the one in fantasy land

Now lets go thru fantasy land

It's a small world
Peter Pan
Carousel
Mickey Philharmonic (Sp?)
Little Mermaid
Pooh
Tea Cups

You have 4 dark rides (vs cat in the hat) and in this case no restrictions on any of them
A "thrill" ride for the kiddies with tea cups (and they actually spin with no restrictions, meaning hand held infants can go on)
A theater show that is a people eater (which suess has none making lines longer)
And a Carousel

Now if you include the circus, which you should since it was part of new FL you get dual spinners (1 fish 2 fish..) and a kiddie coaster (which suess has nothing like this).

Then if you add in the new coaster and M&G experiences like Belle, it is just no contest. I can't believe anyone really truly believes that Suess is better than Fantasy land. I mean Uni does a lot of things better than Disney, but that is not one of them.

I'm definitely not a fanboy I love fantasyland too, I just like the theming and Easter eggs better than fantasyland.

Call me biased but I don't think most fantasyland dark rides haven't aged well and the theme around them (outside of new fantasyland) is pretty bland.

Height restrictions don't apply to me anymore (besides when I go with my brother) so I really never have to worry about it, when it comes to rides kids can go on you are a thousand times right fantasy land is superior but when your kids are older you'll be surprised how nice Seuss really is for them.

I personally think cat and the hat beats pooh and pan out of just plain fun and details. Philharmagic, small world and all of new fantasyland are rides I love. pooh and pan are good too but need updates and I won't even look at teacups or dumbo.

You and me come from very different lifes. You are adult with a child and I'm going to college soon. For someone like me who is a animator, has grown up with Seuss books and has a love for really amazing architecture Seuss wins. Fantasyland is far from bad but then again it's far from perfect. It's like comparing dinoland to JP to me. One has more things to do with more rides but I prefer JP for one really good ride and amazing atmosphere. It's how I see it

 

[mahnamahna]

OK, you are a Uni Fanboy if you think Suessland is better than Fantasy land. Too many things kids can't go on because of height restriction and other things adults don't want to go on because it is boring. I mean you have the below:

Trolley (Anyone under 40" can't go and anyone over 40" don't want to go)
Cat in the Hat (Have to be able to sit up, hold the bar, etc and they took out the spinning so adults don't have as much fun)
1 Fish 2 Fish... I will give you this one is better than Dumbo, but in the end it is a spinner
Carousel.. It is a Carousel, my daughter likes it no more or no less than the one in fantasy land

Now lets go thru fantasy land

It's a small world
Peter Pan
Carousel
Mickey Philharmonic (Sp?)
Little Mermaid
Pooh
Tea Cups

You have 4 dark rides (vs cat in the hat) and in this case no restrictions on any of them
A "thrill" ride for the kiddies with tea cups (and they actually spin with no restrictions, meaning hand held infants can go on)
A theater show that is a people eater (which suess has none making lines longer)
And a Carousel

Now if you include the circus, which you should since it was part of new FL you get dual spinners (1 fish 2 fish..) and a kiddie coaster (which suess has nothing like this).

Then if you add in the new coaster and M&G experiences like Belle, it is just no contest. I can't believe anyone really truly believes that Suess is better than Fantasy land. I mean Uni does a lot of things better than Disney, but that is not one of them.

Agree 100%!

Seuss Landing and KidZone are both vastly inferior to MK's Fantasyland. Each have a great dark ride... but that's it. The rest is off-the-shelf attractions. Animal Actors is really in no man's land but that technically is a KidZone show so they have a people-eater. Not only that, but both areas lack an E-ticket while Fantasyland does indeed have one whether people admit it or not (Small World )

Seuss Trolley needs ride vehicles that allow everyone to ride without fear of falling out - the speed for that ride makes it something babies and toddlers could potentially enjoy if Uni Creative could find a way to get rid of the height requirement.

I wouldn't mind getting rid of the spinning on Cat in the Hat if there's a massive refurb to get the ride up to par. That ride is one everybody ought to be able to go on. One Fish is simply blocking the expansion plot... really, a Lorax dark ride could fit without moving anything. Caro-Seuss-El and If I Ran the Zoo do their jobs, no complaints! :thumbs:

A Lorax dark ride needs to happen. I know they don't have the space for 4 dark rides like Disney, but surely each area could have 2 family ones right?

Replacing Lost Continent with a Whoville mini-land could be great:
Grinch E-ticket family coaster (PF and a tiny bit of backstage) - 40" to keep it family-friendly (most 5 yr olds are 40")
Seussical show (Sinbad)
Mystic Fountain could basically stay the same (rhyme games maybe?)
Horton Hears a Who balloon race flat ride (some reworking of park space)

An E-ticket, a family dark ride, another unique flat ride, and a yearround show would help Seuss out considerably!

KidZone could use a trackless dark ride, a family coaster, a flat ride (possibly two), and potentially a water ride (USF could use one)

 

[mahnamahna]

I'm definitely not a fanboy I love fantasyland too, I just like the theming and Easter eggs better than fantasyland.

Call me biased but I don't think most fantasyland dark rides haven't aged well and the theme around them (outside of new fantasyland) is pretty bland.

Height restrictions don't apply to me anymore (besides when I go with my brother) so I really never have to worry about it, when it comes to rides kids can go on you are a thousand times right fantasy land is superior but when your kids are older you'll be surprised how nice Seuss really is for them.

I personally think cat and the hat beats pooh and pan out of just plain fun and details. Philharmagic, small world and all of new fantasyland are rides I love. pooh and pan are good too but need updates and I won't even look at teacups or dumbo.

You and me come from very different lifes. You are adult with a child and I'm going to college soon. For someone like me who is a animator, has grown up with Seuss books and has a love for really amazing architecture Seuss wins. Fantasyland is far from bad but then again it's far from perfect. It's like comparing dinoland to JP to me. One has more things to do with more rides but I prefer JP for one really good ride and amazing atmosphere. It's how I see it

Jurassic Park is absolutely breathtaking... but if you're over the age of 10, there's nothing to do in this area of the park for 4 months of the year. The Amber Mine coaster and Discovery Center dark ride would perfectly round the area out. Of course, making Pternaodon Flyers higher capacity would be nice too and an observatory tower with a CircleVision screen system (basically HE in a tower - you'd get a photo-realistic recreation of Jurassic World) would be an amazing flat ride!

The top left side of the park is completely barren during fall/winter - the Kong E-ticket will help a lot, but some C and D ticket additions to JP would put that area over the top

 

[Cole]

Jurassic Park is absolutely breathtaking... but if you're over the age of 10, there's nothing to do in this area of the park for 4 months of the year. The Amber Mine coaster and Discovery Center dark ride would perfectly round the area out. Of course, making Pternaodon Flyers higher capacity would be nice too and an observatory tower with a CircleVision screen system (basically HE in a tower - you'd get a photo-realistic recreation of Jurassic World) would be an amazing flat ride!

The top left side of the park is completely barren during fall/winter - the Kong E-ticket will help a lot, but some C and D ticket additions to JP would put that area over the top

yeah the JP area needs a ton of updates but hey that'll come one day

 

[anihilnation]

yeah the JP area needs a ton of updates but hey that'll come one day

Amber Mine Coaster will probably be Uni's answer to the 7D coaster.

 

[Cole]

Amber Mine Coaster will probably be Uni's answer to the 7D coaster.

If you count it I think gringotts is, they are both coasters in a mine with goblins/dwarfs. But it's not kiddy per say so yeah Amber mine is definitely a response to that. If it was only happening anytime soon. Hopefully they make a cool kiddy coaster for kidzone too aswell as the grinch

 

[mahnamahna]

If you count it I think gringotts is, they are both coasters in a mine with goblins/dwarfs. But it's not kiddy per say so yeah Amber mine is definitely a response to that. If it was only happening anytime soon. Hopefully they make a cool kiddy coaster for kidzone too aswell as the grinch

Not really "kiddy" - more family. Off the shelf coasters should stay at one per park (Hulk for IOA, Rockit for USF). SDMT is only 38" and it gives a similar thrill level as Barnstormer, Hippogriff and Nuthouse - only with theming around it.

Put the Great Hall where Hippogriff currently is, replace Hippogriff with something similar to The Dragon at LEGOLAND mixed with Big Bad Wolf(now 38"), add a Whomping Willow swing ride (42"), and put in a Quidditch stadium.

Each park really only needs one off-the-shelf thrill machine... any more and it just gives Disney fans a reason to call Universal a really nice Six Flags (baseless remark but still). I'd prefer Universal try to make coasters as immersive as the Disney mountains which pack the thrill level of Hulk and Dueling Dragons. Mummy comes close, but its convoulted plot in the states makes it awkward. Singapore's looks magnificent though!

Hogsmeade really could have more attractions for young children/older people who can't do things like FJ and DC.

I'd love each land to have some sort of coaster (Marvel and Middle Earth having thrill coasters, JP, WWOHP, and Seuss having family ones), and some sort of dark ride (thrilling ones in Marvel and WWOHP, family ones in Middle Earth, Skull Island, JP, Seuss) as a way to balance out each area in a way

 

[Cole]

Not really "kiddy" - more family. Off the shelf coasters should stay at one per park (Hulk for IOA, Rockit for USF). SDMT is only 38" and it gives a similar thrill level as Barnstormer, Hippogriff and Nuthouse - only with theming around it.

Put the Great Hall where Hippogriff currently is, replace Hippogriff with something similar to The Dragon at LEGOLAND mixed with Big Bad Wolf(now 38"), add a Whomping Willow swing ride (42"), and put in a Quidditch stadium.

Each park really only needs one off-the-shelf thrill machine... any more and it just gives Disney fans a reason to call Universal a really nice Six Flags (baseless remark but still). I'd prefer Universal try to make coasters as immersive as the Disney mountains which pack the thrill level of Hulk and Dueling Dragons. Mummy comes close, but its convoulted plot in the states makes it awkward. Singapore's looks magnificent though!

Hogsmeade really could have more attractions for young children/older people who can't do things like FJ and DC.

I'd love each land to have some sort of coaster (Marvel and Middle Earth having thrill coasters, JP, WWOHP, and Seuss having family ones), and some sort of dark ride (thrilling ones in Marvel and WWOHP, family ones in Middle Earth, Skull Island, JP, Seuss) as a way to balance out each area in a way

Yeah family my bad, ehh I don't know about more potter, I think we have more than enough but yeah there should definitely be more theming in hippo griff. That buckbeak is amazing on its own. I 100% agree with no more thrill machines, if you saw my post on the rockit failure thread you know my opinion on them. I just want every island to get a update in the upcoming decade no matter how little. Islands is the best park ever and I only want to see it become better

 

[mahnamahna]

Yeah family my bad, ehh I don't know about more potter, I think we have more than enough but yeah there should definitely be more theming in hippo griff. That buckbeak is amazing on its own. I 100% agree with no more thrill machines, if you saw my post on the rockit failure thread you know my opinion on them. I just want every island to get a update in the upcoming decade no matter how little. Islands is the best park ever and I only want to see it become better

It wouldn't necessarily be more Potter... just a replacement for Dragon Challenge

 

[Cole]

It wouldn't necessarily be more Potter... just a replacement for Dragon Challenge

Oh that would be sick then. Dragon challenge sucks I'm sorry, takes up a insane amount of space for two coasters that aren't even that great (fire is the bomb) used to be miles better when it was actually dueling dragons with that insane queue, story and dueling. Now it's just dumb

 

[blue180]

I love to see DC taken down, and a new type of coaster/Land in its place. Even a coaster that starts in where LC is now and goes underground under the Train Station for HE, and then picks up on the other side. I don't know, i think DC is taking up way to much space for a roller coaster thats so so. I used to love DC, but now I kind of ignore it. You just get so banged up by it.

 

[Cole]

I love to see DC taken down, and a new type of coaster/Land in its place. Even a coaster that starts in where LC is now and goes underground under the Train Station for HE, and then picks up on the other side. I don't know, i think DC is taking up way to much space for a roller coaster thats so so. I used to love DC, but now I kind of ignore it. You just get so banged up by it.

I honestly haven't been on it in years and I don't miss it. Jesus I feel like I'm in a drug seminar

 

[mahnamahna]

I love to see DC taken down, and a new type of coaster/Land in its place. Even a coaster that starts in where LC is now and goes underground under the Train Station for HE, and then picks up on the other side. I don't know, i think DC is taking up way to much space for a roller coaster thats so so. I used to love DC, but now I kind of ignore it. You just get so banged up by it.

Just saw DC's area on the map... you can fit 4 Spider-Man rides there.

Not sold on bringing the Great Hall over since Hollywood needs something to differentiate from Orlando.

1. Replace Hippogriff/DC for an Expedition Everest style coaster featuring the three challenges from the Triwizard Tournament only to have a finale featuring the Dark Lord himself.
2. Put an Alien Encounter-style show themed to Shrieking Shack in - kids allowed at parents' own risk
3. A Ford Anglia mini-swing ride around the Whomping Willow (special restraints allow all ages to ride)
4. Fill the rest of the area with immersive theming and potentially expand the other stores

 

[Cole]

Just saw DC's area on the map... you can fit 4 Spider-Man rides there.

Not sold on bringing the Great Hall over since Hollywood needs something to differentiate from Orlando.

1. Replace Hippogriff/DC for an Expedition Everest style coaster featuring the three challenges from the Triwizard Tournament only to have a finale featuring the Dark Lord himself.
2. Put an Alien Encounter-style show themed to Shrieking Shack in - kids allowed at parents' own risk
3. A Ford Anglia mini-swing ride around the Whomping Willow (special restraints allow all ages to ride)
4. Fill the rest of the area with immersive theming and potentially expand the other stores

4 fricken Spider-Mans?!?! This is the real place to put phase 3 not fear factor

 

[mahnamahna]

4 fricken Spider-Mans?!?! This is the real place to put phase 3 not fear factor

Yep, it's a huge chunk of land and with little options for expansion, it may seem like a good choice

 

[TubaGeek]

Seems to me that DC could become the Forbidden Forest and LC could be left alone, or used for something NON-Potter.

 

[mainejeff]

I'd like to see DC replaced with a Ron's Car dark ride......like a pumped up Peter Pan's Flight family suspended dark ride through the Forbidden Forest. I'd have Mt. Crumpet coaster and Lorax trackless dark ride replace LC.

 

[mahnamahna]

I'd like to see DC replaced with a Ron's Car dark ride......like a pumped up Peter Pan's Flight family suspended dark ride through the Forbidden Forest. I'd have Mt. Crumpet coaster and Lorax trackless dark ride replace LC.

With how big the Dragon Challenge area is, you could probably fit another attraction in there as well. I'd say the Ford Anglia should be used as a flat ride rather than dark ride since it'd be a little too similar to FJ.

Now, an Expedition - Everest style coaster themed to the TriWizard Tournament (Buckbeak could even be the ride vehicle, and it could even be suspended) would be perfect. Amber Mine and Mt. Crumpet as the family/kiddie coasters, Hulk and potentially whatever replaces Middle Earth as the thrill coasters, and this one as a family/thrill hybrid (46" height requirement)
And Lorax would probably go where the plot next to Cat is.

Then, use Lost Continent for a mini-Whoville - Mt. Crumpet E-ticket (something like JttCotE at DisneySea would be amazing, but a Matterhorn style coaster could be nice too), Horton flat ride, and Seussical to replace Sinbad

 

[Cole]

With how big the Dragon Challenge area is, you could probably fit another attraction in there as well. I'd say the Ford Anglia should be used as a flat ride rather than dark ride since it'd be a little too similar to FJ.

Now, an Expedition - Everest style coaster themed to the TriWizard Tournament (Buckbeak could even be the ride vehicle, and it could even be suspended) would be perfect. Amber Mine and Mt. Crumpet as the family/kiddie coasters, Hulk and potentially whatever replaces Middle Earth as the thrill coasters, and this one as a family/thrill hybrid (46" height requirement)
And Lorax would probably go where the plot next to Cat is.

Then, use Lost Continent for a mini-Whoville - Mt. Crumpet E-ticket (something like JttCotE at DisneySea would be amazing, but a Matterhorn style coaster could be nice too), Horton flat ride, and Seussical to replace Sinbad

Great ideas man!!! I really think dragons challenge could and should be replaced with a potter pavilion of rides and LC with more Seuss. I honestly think the floor less coaster should be scrapped because you can't see any theming unless you are in front row. If potter absolutely must be expanded this is the way to do it

 

[anihilnation]

I very much doubt (and hope) Dragon Challenge will ever go, you don't just remove a major coaster.
With the train station now in place the coaster is even better, plenty of effects where you imagine you will bang into something. Also, in spite of it often appearing less busy, the ride does get good ridership.