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JungleSkip said:
You're right, having revenue growth at a higher clip than Disney clearly shows Universal is going after the wrong demographic to make money.

Remind me what kid-centric attractions Universal has added. Despicable Me has a height requirement and motion sickness worries. Transformers is not a "family attraction". The parade I guess? And Twirl and Hurl? Yea, they're really going all out to get those little kids!
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Higher revenue clip is just a fancy way of saying "because of Harry Potter, people actually started giving a crap about Universal"...theyre still missing a key piece of the market.

And in just 3 years, I'd say DM, the parade, Twirl n Hurl, and increased child-oriented merch, plus the arrival of the new non-restrictive train ride, a family-oriented roller coaster type ride, and the mild-thrill JP expansion is a significant push toward a new demographic. Universal doesnt just throw in rides because...stuff like even the Twil N Hurl are still capital investments that have to serve a purpose. Do you really think these things were added if Universal was already efficiently selling to the only niche they want to target?

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Higher revenue clip is just a fancy way of saying "because of Harry Potter, people actually started giving a crap about Universal"...theyre still missing a key piece of the market.

And in just 3 years, I'd say DM, the parade, Twirl n Hurl, and increased child-oriented merch, plus the arrival of the new non-restrictive train ride, a family-oriented roller coaster type ride, and the mild-thrill JP expansion is a significant push toward a new demographic. Universal doesnt just throw in rides because...stuff like even the Twil N Hurl are still capital investments that have to serve a purpose. Do you really think these things were added if Universal was already efficiently selling to the only niche they want to target?

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Spot on with everything right there.

Universal isn't shifting their focus to be solely kid oriented in any one area (and I don't expect them to either), but they are most definitely adding more things for the family demographic in their expansions of late.
 
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But here's the thing, there's not enough room for Universal to add things to significantly change that view, and they know it. Universal is quite happy being the place for families with kids 8+. It's done well for them, and that's the way they're going to continue.

Also, I can safely say move on from Nickelodeon. Not gonna happen.
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I agree with the moving away from Nick, but why would they add a spinner and in the future a carousel if they are fine with this image. I don't think they are. Their goal is to beat attendance at some of the Disney parks, they can't do that unless they attract new people (like they did with HP) and retain them. They can do it. But adding family attractions everyone can ride (HE), some kid rides (spinner), and then big name things to attract the families (transformers & HP). So HP gets them in, if there is nothing for the young ones, they never come back again. If there is stuff for the young ones, they come back again.

I agree, they will never be Disney and they don't want to be Disney, however they do need to start capturing families that have some kids below the age of 8. Because that is a HUGE market share that they would be ignoring.
 
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I agree with the moving away from Nick, but why would they add a spinner and in the future a carousel if they are fine with this image.
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To do the bare minimum with that crowd. Spinners and carousels aren't going to convince parents with little kids to go to Universal.

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Their goal is to beat attendance at some of the Disney parks, they can't do that unless they attract new people (like they did with HP) and retain them. They can do it.
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They're already beating DHS in attendance. They're already steadily attracting new market share. Don't expect them to focus on the kiddies moving forward. They know their niche and they're running with it, just as Disney is running with the toddler crowd.
 
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They're already beating DHS in attendance. They're already steadily attracting new market share. Don't expect them to focus on the kiddies moving forward. They know their niche and they're running with it, just as Disney is running with the toddler crowd.
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I think there is a miscommunication here.

I don't think anyone thinks that Uni is going to FOCUS on "the kiddies". I don't think most of us on here expect that. They never have and even now, their MAIN FOCUS is on bringing in a widespread audience.

But while doing that they also need to continue to add some things for smaller children to do if they want to turn some of these visitors who are just taking a day out of a Disney vacation to see Diagon Alley this summer into a repeat customer. Hell, maybe even down the line, they'll end up staying at their hotels, which will lead to spending more money on Universal property.

But just because the 7 and under crowd isn't Universal's MAIN FOCUS at the resort doesn't mean that it still isn't something that needs to be attended to.
 
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I don't understand people who think that only toddlers and their family's go to theme parks. Here we are on a board for theme parks and none of us our are toddlers. I think Universal is going after the market Disney isn't. In the past 5 years what has Disney added that has not been targeted to toddlers or families of toddlers. I think only Soarin, Test Track retheme, and maybe more but I can't remember of the top of my head. Universal meanwhile has been adding nonstop attractions targeted to teens and older kids, plus I think people forget 20 something's also want to go theme parks and currently the only parks giving them something new todo is Uni. So no I don't think Uni wants to build their own fantasy land, honestly I think they should continue to go after the 8+ market so kids who are "too old for fantasy land" still have a theme park to go to.
 
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I think there is a miscommunication here.

I don't think anyone thinks that Uni is going to FOCUS on "the kiddies". I don't think most of us on here expect that. They never have and even now, their MAIN FOCUS is on bringing in a widespread audience.

But while doing that they also need to continue to add some things for smaller children to do if they want to turn some of these visitors who are just taking a day out of a Disney vacation to see Diagon Alley this summer into a repeat customer. Hell, maybe even down the line, they'll end up staying at their hotels, which will lead to spending more money on Universal property.

But just because the 7 and under crowd isn't Universal's MAIN FOCUS at the resort doesn't mean that it still isn't something that needs to be attended to.
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Exactly. Its the same reason there are rides like Tower of Terror and Expedition Everest in Disney's "toddler crowd" park. Targeting just one type of demographic wont get you very far. Your target demographic comes with other demographics in a family dynamic, and they will be lookinh for things to do.
 
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JungleSkip said:
To do the bare minimum with that crowd. Spinners and carousels aren't going to convince parents with little kids to go to Universal.



They're already beating DHS in attendance. They're already steadily attracting new market share. Don't expect them to focus on the kiddies moving forward. They know their niche and they're running with it, just as Disney is running with the toddler crowd.
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Even the most basic marketing class (or any business class, really) will show you how flawed this logic is--a family-oriented industry like tourism (theme parks specifically) should NEVER go for just one segment. Even Disney's "toddler parks" have thrill rides. Just like Universal's parks need to have family-friendly attractions.

The thing is, Universal's end game is (read: should be) to steal some percentage of Disney's guests, if for just a couple of days during their Disney vacation. It turns out that those people are younger families. Universal has already got its niche and it hasnt really boosted them to the level they know they could be at. If they can make those "Disney families" come for HP, they need to convince them to stay/return in the future by offering attractions everyone can enjoy.

No, people arent going to come specifically for the family rides, Universal has already established their specialty in rides that are a bit more thrilling. But instead of totally re-shifting their marketing to a different segment, they CAN add more variety for younger families and get them to STAY after already beinh attracted by Potter. Its really not a difficult concept, and Im not sure why you cant understand it.
 
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I think there is a miscommunication here.

I don't think anyone thinks that Uni is going to FOCUS on "the kiddies". I don't think most of us on here expect that. They never have and even now, their MAIN FOCUS is on bringing in a widespread audience.

But while doing that they also need to continue to add some things for smaller children to do if they want to turn some of these visitors who are just taking a day out of a Disney vacation to see Diagon Alley this summer into a repeat customer. Hell, maybe even down the line, they'll end up staying at their hotels, which will lead to spending more money on Universal property.

But just because the 7 and under crowd isn't Universal's MAIN FOCUS at the resort doesn't mean that it still isn't something that needs to be attended to.
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I completely agree with this. They need enough stuff so that the family who came to Uni once to see one thing will come back again and not have a bored 3 year old with them. Because if the 3 year old was that bored then they won't come back for several years. And you all would be surprised what a few spinners, carousels, and rides like HE can do. Most younger kids are REALLY easy to please at a park if you can give them some things to do in between the boring stuff. My daughter loves Epcot, but she only really goes on Spaceship Earth, Nemo, Living Seas, Mexico, and Norway. She also likes the innovations part especially the piggie bank. That is 5 rides, innovations (which we only go in 50% of the time), and fireworks and she is happy. The problem at Uni is prior to some recent and future additions she only had Shrek (loves it), ET (until she was 34" this was not an option either), Barnstormer (not an option until 36" inches), and DM (but with no motion and being so close to the screen it is only OK). Now notice 2 of those have height restrictions, so a 2 year old may only have 2 as an option. And an infant, forget about it, none of those. Which means a family is always doing child swap.

These she CAN go on, but she really can't or doesn't.

1. Disaster - HATES IT - too scary with all the people screaming and looking scared too - she was fine until she saw others scared
2. T2 - too scary wouldn't even try
3. Twister - Tried once, again too scary
4. Barney - Yeah, just not happening. Many parents like me are totally against this purple dino and have no desire for there kid to be exposed to it
5. Animal Actor, Revue, Fear Factor, and Horror Makeup - I will admit have not taken her on these. Took my son to makeup and he was bored out of his mind. So these technically for some families would be an option. Sometimes shows are hard with little ones, so this is a hit or miss.

So what I am saying is in Uni alone by the end of the year they will add two more options for little ones. If they redo Kids Zone to be something completely different more focused on families of all ages, then they would have a park that a family with some kids under 7 would actually repeat and come back to. This is what Uni is trying to do, they are not trying to be fantasy land. But they are trying to get families that have kids of different ages to come to their parks BEFORE all their kids are 7+. This is key, you have to remember people sometimes wait 4 years between kids. Some families have 3 or 4 kids. So if you have a family that is 2, 6, 8, & 10 Uni wants that family before the kids are 7, 11, 13 and 15. Realistically they may start coming at 5, 9, 11, and 13, but in reality Uni wants them to come now because two of those kids are in their target demo. Uni is NOT trying to go after the families of 1, 3, & 5 year olds. I get that. But they would love that family if the parents are huge thrill seekers. Because some families if you give them enough to entertain the LOs they will come back if they enjoy the rides. But if the whole day is kids waiting in child swap, running around, and whining, it is never happening again. Not only that it may put a bad taste in the parent's mouth and they may wait a long time before returning. On that note, they also need more TVs in child swap. That would go a long way to helping, or do what LegoLand does and give the kids something to do. Not sure what Uni could do in this respect, legos are so easy to do. The could do things like have some stuff on the walls for the kids to move around, push buttons, etc that are themed to the current ride they are in. It would be a cheap addition (almost interactive line type stuff) that could entertain the kids while both parents ride with the kids old enough to go on.

There is a HUGE market of families that they are missing right now, that truly they can easily get and are trying to get. If they weren't they would not be adding twirl & Hurl and talking about the WHOLE family can go on HE. They know and they are addressing it.
 
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At this point they should just go and do a package of themed kids rides from Zamperla and add them to the area just so there is SOMETHING more for kids to do. Just like SeaWorld's Happy Harbor, a group of kid's flat rides with good theme elements (and Zamperla does a great job with those) could go a LONG way.
 
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At this point they should just go and do a package of themed kids rides from Zamperla and add them to the area just so there is SOMETHING more for kids to do. Just like SeaWorld's Happy Harbor, a group of kid's flat rides with good theme elements (and Zamperla does a great job with those) could go a LONG way.
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I think this would be a waste of space. They need something the whole family will go into. Those types of flat rides would better be served to be throughout the park so that the LOs can ride them in between sitting in Child Swap. Some are harder to theme than others, so obviously I would want the ones that can be themed really well. Maybe one flat ride in the kidzone area, but that should be it.

When you go into the Sea World section you only see kids, Uni needs a section where you will see entire families of all ages in.
 
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I agree with those suggesting a FAMILY oriented space. KidZone is the only current option in universal with Despicable me and Shrek as family options and with Dr Seuss the only REAL option in islands, i say the only REAL option in islands because although Toon Lagoon may seem friendly many kids under the age of 8 or even 10 can be scared of some of Dudley. If they could re-do KidZone to have 3-5 Family oriented rides (like an E.T type dark ride) using a well known IP i think the money and crowds will pour in.
 
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I think this would be a waste of space. They need something the whole family will go into. Those types of flat rides would better be served to be throughout the park so that the LOs can ride them in between sitting in Child Swap. Some are harder to theme than others, so obviously I would want the ones that can be themed really well. Maybe one flat ride in the kidzone area, but that should be it.

When you go into the Sea World section you only see kids, Uni needs a section where you will see entire families of all ages in.
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But, those rides are all FAMILY rides that adults can ride with children. It would be a fast and economical way to add capacity as well as more attractions to appeal to a wider range of guests. And, if my hunch is correct and they will be unveiling a "Super Silly Fun Land" it would be perfectly fitting, just like the Kang & Kodos spinner fits Krustyland.
 
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But, those rides are all FAMILY rides that adults can ride with children. It would be a fast and economical way to add capacity as well as more attractions to appeal to a wider range of guests. And, if my hunch is correct and they will be unveiling a "Super Silly Fun Land" it would be perfectly fitting, just like the Kang & Kodos spinner fits Krustyland.
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They won't be doing super silly fun land, I think we have all determined it would not work since they have DM somewhere else in the park. Also, those rides are not really ridden by many teens. If you go back there it is really 2 to 10 year old kids riding those rides. Sea World also has lower attendance and a more spread out park. So no one area of the park gets hammers (except for brand new things), so those types of rides work without crazy long waits, but at Uni the lines would be crazy because Capacity is not the best for those types of rides. Especially if you stuck them all in one area. I don't even know why I am debating this, Uni would never do this, not the image they are trying to portray.
 
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They won't be doing super silly fun land, I think we have all determined it would not work since they have DM somewhere else in the park. Also, those rides are not really ridden by many teens. If you go back there it is really 2 to 10 year old kids riding those rides. Sea World also has lower attendance and a more spread out park. So no one area of the park gets hammers (except for brand new things), so those types of rides work without crazy long waits, but at Uni the lines would be crazy because Capacity is not the best for those types of rides. Especially if you stuck them all in one area. I don't even know why I am debating this, Uni would never do this, not the image they are trying to portray.
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I wouldn't be so sure about SSFL...
 
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I would be. I think they will use the DM property in a new water park and that would be brilliant because it will get people to go to a water park that might not normally go. So they can expand on the IP, but not have the crazy weirdness of it being in the same park in two places.

I mean most of the insiders are talking about water park and DM and none that I know have talked about putting it into kidzone. Not to mention kidzone is MANY years out and they want to capitalize on DM IP sooner.
 
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Not to mention kidzone is MANY years out
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I wouldn't be so sure of that.
 
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by "MANY", do you mean 2017?
 
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I mean I would also like to point out that Kidzone has a huge footprint. Who says they aren't going to do multiple things with this plot of land. It easily flows into the non-utilized land next to MIB.....

just throwing that out there. In my opinion, I think the concept of Kidzone is weird. I don't think you need to have a special land for just kid rides. They should flow throughout the park. I think this land, along with the MIB plot could really add huge value and new IPs to this park.

I mean its a matter of time before this all gets addressed. Its just a weak spot of the park...
 
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by "MANY", do you mean 2017?
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2017 is many years out when you think of the number of things that will be done between now and then. Also, since they don't even have an IP yet, it might not be 2017. Also, keep in mind by 2017 how many DM movies will be out by then? 3 maybe 4? Then on top of that the water park is projected 2016 before 2017. Everything points to water park for DM vs. Kidzone.
 
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